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for me and pretty much everyone who plays online on the ladder. This is pretty much what the multiplayer is about is those 3 things, and I'm not really talking about the people who group to kill monsters because while that's obviously what the game is "about" at face value, you are severly missing out on the best parts of the game, which is building a character to be its best. There's a whole metagame beneath the game to touch. If it was just me I wouldn't say it, but there are a ton of communities built around it, the ladder got reset so that is equally true now, and well, basically the majority of people who play the game online really. And I'm not even counting the french, which get really really hardcore on it.

it's like trying to tell me the best part of StarCraft is not analyzing the maps and building unique strategies to counteract your opponent with micro/macro and knowing the exact metagame for each map with the exact way each unit from all 3 races interact with each unit on the competitive level like the Koreans and everyone who bothers to play competitively seriously does. It is the best part, and it is what StarCraft is known for, being the most balanced RTS to date. That isn't to say there isn't people who just play the single player, or just play with friends, but you are basically missing the best part of the game, and what the heart of the game is about. Yes, there is other stuff to do in StarCraft besides the highly competitive parts to it, and there is more to Diablo than the competitive, trading, min/maxing metagame, but there's also a single player mode to Street Fighter, and the similarity between all 3 is all 3 are something no one really takes seriously. It's fun to bash monsters in D2 with friends (I do it too), but there's more to it than that.

Once again, you're assuming being an obsessive hardcore gamer is the best way to play a game. You don't understand that I'm NOT missing out, that's what I'm saying. Just because you enjoy taking the game beyond into the metagame, doesn't mean everybody does or should. I can worry about min/maxing and ladders in other games that I'd rather play for the core gameplay. The sole reason I'm playing D2 right now is to crawl dungeons with my friends.

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And your StarCraft comparison didn't really make sense as most of the things you described weren't so much metagame, so much as a staple of any RTS, and any of it that was RTS, is once again counteracted by the fact that I'd rather play the game instead of studying it.
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ya like the GRIND lololo

You haven't lived until you've grinded out 256 Gul runes from doing the Hellforge quest over and over just so you can craft the highest rune or wait for it to drop lolz. (which might never happen in your lifetime for you pretty much)

but QFT. Each of the Diablo games have always pushed the genre and envelope with stuff that everyone else decides to copy, and I can't wait to see what Diablo 3 will add to that.

man who warez Diablo, seriously. it costs like 4$. For both. <.<

I guess if you never plan on experiencing the real part of the game, then sure. But pretty much the game is entirely built around the min/max, competitive, and trading communities, all of which exist online only. Playing with friends cooperatively to experience the areas etc is cool, but you're missing out on the best parts of the game.

If I wanted to grind and worry about min/max, I'd probably play a better game for it. Don't say it's the best part of the game, when that's just the best part of the game FOR YOU. Only reason I want to play the game is to go through dungeons and slaughter shit with my friends. But I'll probably try a different game until D3 comes out.
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internet in d2 was great but the entire point? i don't think so

and either way, if you warez it and get people to play with, USE HAMACHI.


you don't want to mix with the bnet population these days anyway. oh god no you don't.


sweet god.

Yeah, we've been using Hamachi to play this. =) I'm an assassin in martial arts, but they are kinda boring so I might switch to something else.
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What is crappy about it? I think the game is very playable and very polished, even today. I am assuming you are just talking about the graphics?

Graphics, more specifically the animation is really bad. The controls aren't all that great and I've noticed a few things that just awkward. I'll try to remember a few of the things next time I play. I assume the reason why this game is so popular is due to the simple fact that it's an addictive dungeon crawler with good online play.
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you should buy D2 because it is EL CHEAPO and anyone who pirates it will basically be completely missing the entire point of the game.

I'm looking for a dungeon crawler I can play with my friends. I already have D2, just can't find the expansion. My friends downloaded it all last night and I downloaded the expansion, and we played together, and it all worked out good. The game isn't bad, but it's soooo crappy. Like, it really is something you should play when it comes out, not years later. But yeah I've grown to appreciate it a bit more definitely can't wait for D3. Yay for polish.
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Me and a few of my friends are going to to piratepurchase D2 and DS2. I actually already own D2, cousin gave it to me years ago, but as I mentioned, never really got into it. Going to give it another shot, I figure it should be awesome playing with friends and vent, so I can't really go wrong.
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I'm semi excited about D3, never really played the first two (by the time I played D2 it was already too old of a game and couldn't keep me entertained). That being said, knowing D3 is a long while away, can anybody recommend me any PC dungeon crawlers? Preferably something that can be played online with friends, preferably free or .
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Why not get a boot loader for your PS2, a network drive and a hard drive. Put games on the hard drive, and the bootloader loads from it. Gives you a menu and you can pick which games you want. No disks required. Not sure if that is a feasible option for you.
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Bart's made newer accounts since he stepped down as owner and came back up. Polski was a separate account, right?

um... damn I JUST TURNED thirteen when I joined here, and it was around the time when everyone's (especially some guy I can't remember his name had the baby at soccer game giving middle finger as his avatar, name started with "S" modded general for a while) favorite insult was "U R 13" (ugh) and since a large number of members WERE thirteen, there were a lot of signatures with "Yes, I am thirteen, shut the fuck up" or something similar on them.

EDIT: It was safari. And holy shit remember Aidan?


Yeah this is pretty much me too. I remember blizz's post history was just pages of "you are 13". I was an idiot when I came here, Safari brutally made fun of me and I learned my ways.
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Congrats dude, pretty badass. Not sure I could go through such lengths, but I definitely am envious of you getting that game signed (or even owning the game).  Awesome stuff. :)
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Not sure if you guys picked a server, but I'm rolled on Scourge. A few of my friends are going to be rolling on here shortly, so chances are I will be creating a new character soon. :) If you guys are interested in joining my guild we've got a pretty decent bunch, all very helpful, with a vent server.
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probably a little of both

alsowhat do you do that you can just PLAY GAMES at work!  i always hear people going heh yeah i was reading this site/playing this game at work and i cannot even imagine having a job where i was just free to DO THINGS that weren't related to work.  i used to stand around and talk a lot as a server because thats really all there is to do when you dont have tables but they'd yell at us if we even tried to read magazines!

I do tech support for an ISP. Sometimes I end up waiting without taking a call for up to an hour. And this happens semi frequently, especially on weekends. 90% of the people who work here in tech support bring in their laptops daily.
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Yeah I know winamp does, but I was hoping I could use foobar because it's a lot faster, and I prefer the icons for the files. If it can't do docking then I'll just end up back with winamp. I just thought I may as well should ask as I thought there were a few foobar supporters here.
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Level 65 Necromancer on Aquilonia. Fuck yeah I'll kill you all.

That is a very high level. o.o

I'm a level 38 Conquerer right now. Still on Scourge. Very happy I rolled a PvP server. :)
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WRT54G, ONLY get it, imo, if you're willing to put on DD-WRT, which is quite a very solid custom firmware. Very good stuff, risk of bricking your router, but just follow instructions and you are good. WRT54G gave me a lot of problems with torrents and other things without the software.

Btw Velfarre, I was just saying that because there is a stigma against tech people, which comes from people who know shit all about computers, and think they are always being scammed and given the run around. 80% of the time, you don't know what you are talking about compared to the tech. Whenever I tell somebody to do something, half the time they say "But nothings changed! What did you guys do!" and they are in the mindset that it's all the ISP problems. 90% of the problems at my company are literally client side things, nothing on our side that we can do or change.
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No, the people at my ISP genuinely doesn't know about routers, or computers, or anything.  I've seen them when they were at our house before (because unless they come to your house they don't believe you when you say something is wrong on their end (i.e. having the wrong MAC address in their system) unless they see it themselves.  One guy even said "It's not working, see, those lights are supposed to be on....I think...aren't they supposed to be on?"  "I had my laptop fixed and for some reason it's really slow now and that thing, you know, when I start my internet up, the page is different.  I wonder why the page is different." (when he was describing his problem I came to the conclusion that they had reinstalled XP, and he didn't know why his homepage wasn't the same).  They are basically PROFESSIONAL MODEM PLUGGERS AND UNPLUGGERS.

They aren't obligated to help with any of our hardware, it's just that if you don't get them to LOOK at your hardware they blame it for everything.  They've convinced my parents to replace perfectly good parts before.

It all depends on the ISP, I do tech support for a local ISP in Ontario, and we're not like that. If you have a router, and your connection isn't working, and powercycling does't fix it, then we bypass the router. If bypassing the router work, then it isn't our problem. We will tell you it's the router, because that's the case, it is. From that point you can either decide to reset it, have a friend or family member look at it, or speak to the routers tech support (all suggestions we give). Velfarre, when techs go out to the house, it's normally not the same people doing phone support, and they would have different knowledge.

Edit: To sum it up, it's not our job to know anything about your router, or know much about computers (only the aspects that relate to your internet). Why should somebody care what the lights on your router are doing when the ISP doesn't give a shit about routers.
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Got the game, collectors edition is excellent and ridiculous. I'll be rolling on the PvP server scourge with my friends and work buddies, who'll be forming a quality tight nit guild. Anybody who rolls on Scourge will be welcome.
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for those who like to stick to msn, the program itself, use msn+ and apatch. msn+ adds scripting and skins I believe, as well as tabs and other useful features, and apatch lets you get rid of ads and other stuff that clutters up msn.
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Man, it seems so foreign to me the idea that people actually buy operating systems. XD

But yeah, when dual booting ubuntu and windows, its always best to install windows first. Not sure if you can do it with ubuntu first. So use Ubuntu for now, once you get vista, you probably reformat the drive, and install vista there. From that point on if you want to install ubuntu, you're best bet would be to use wubi (comes with the newest ubuntu) which lets you install ubuntu without partitioning your harddrive like a windows program.

As far as I know there aren't any real disadvantages, except for you have less space for files, seeing as you have two OS.
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Hi, I've been using winamp for a long time, and decided to try out foobar, and I have really liked it so far. But one feature that I'm really missing is being able to dock winamp at the top of my screen, and having it autohide. I've tried googling it and looking for something like this and couldn't find any options. Does anybody know if this is possible in foobar?