yo joe i didnt see your hi whatsup homie

ya gotta flow joe, ya gotta flow joe

my gimmick was always being really mean and stupid it may not have been a gimmick i may have just been stupid

is the truth the pedo one or is that another member

no i was fat you may be thinking of mekesss

this is information we'd know if the wiki is up okay there were pictures of fat me on there

who are the admins now i used to be a pretty big deal maybe i can talk to them

you should put it back up ok i miss reading that once in a while

ok this is a serious topic please stop "trolling"

i dont want to go on irc though

big baby chef contact me sometime i miss you

i miss you

I don't really know where to talk about this, perhaps here is the right place.

I haven't posted here in a very long time, it has probably been a year or two now at this point. The reason I stopped posting here was mostly because of a big (and in retrospect utterly stupid) fight between myself and several people. That day I left I decided I was going to write all internet people out of my life forever (with a few exceptions like my boy sb). For the most part this worked well like a band-aid being ripped right off; it stung like hell at first but after a while the "relationships" I had with these people seemed to be forgotten.


There was one thing that always bugged me though, a person that I considered a friend, a person that I did have years of fights and make ups with, that person was one of the main antagonists to my protagonist in the previously mentioned fight. The person I am speaking of was named Amark, better known as Steel around here. What nagged at me forever was just how right he always was about me. Steel could read me better than any person i've ever met, real life or internet or whatever. He knew when I was being facetious, he could pick out personality traits that I had unceremoniously plucked from other people, he would always call me out when I said something unethical or stupid. As much as I always stubbornly argued back and forth with him I always knew deep down inside that he was right.

I knew Steel for the better part of a decade. I can remember fondly him convincing everyone on GW that he was in his mid 20's, I still laugh remembering him ripping apart Fascists in political threads, and most of all I remember his creativity and how good of a person he was. He was 100% right about me when I was an idiot conservative arguing about topics I didn't even have a tertiary knowledge about. He knew exactly the internal demons of cognitive dissonance that plagued me at every turn. Deep down I always knew that what he said was based in objective fact, I knew this but I had a self image of myself of who I wanted to be to satisfy friends and family. He was always right about me in many ways. I am neurotic as hell, I'm needy and desire to be liked. I am a chameleon to other's personality traits and ideas too easily, and I was an idiot for a very long time.

I never could swallow my pride and tell Steel the truth: I respected him more than almost any person i've ever met in my life. He had more of an impact on the person I am today; open minded, introspective in some ways, accepting of my ability to empathize, etc. When I would hear that Steel was getting sicker I didn't want to believe it. I had no doubts that Steel would pull through and would always be there, how can one imagine a person who has had that indelible of an impact on oneself to be gone?

More and more i'd here from people that he was getting worse and worse, I wanted to reach out to him but what could I say? "I waited until you were dying to tell you that I valued you immensely as a friend and am sorry for being an idiot?". I couldn't face that, I couldn't face his mortality. When his mother posted that he had passed away I was as devastated as I was when grandparents have died. I cried for hours and hours, all of the pain and the regret I had about the person I was towards him came flowing out. I felt like people would laugh at me for crying over someone who I only knew on the internet, for crying about someone who had probably hated me at the end. I checked out the thread about it on here and felt some irrational irritability to the people who would post their short condolences or "oh shit holy shit this is so sad". Stupidly I felt to myself that here these people were posting essentially nothing of substance when I could write a fucking dissertation on this person. This was a stupid thought. I should have seen that Steel had touched many people's lives who didn't know him too well. These people weren't just saying something to say something, they were saying something because how could a person who felt like Steel wouldn't even recognize them write paragraphs about him? In short, i'm always an idiot.

I don't know why i'm posting this here to be honest. I don't know if there is a god but I usually lean towards no. I can't deal with Steel not knowing how sorry I was, not knowing how bad I felt about how our friendship ended. Where else could I get this out of me and into text? Steel has been gone for a while now and yet it still kills me every day. Something will remind me of him and it will kill me inside, I feel like a horrible person and hope the man I am today would not dissapoint him.

I don't even know, is this even an appropriate place for this? I just need to share how I feel with someone who can relate to this, I feel like you guys are the only ones I really know who Steel meant that much too.

Thanks everyone

my 'argument for eugenics' was that I believe some day in the very distant future when humans are looking at the very real possibility of colonizing other planets and reaching a new epoch of human history that it will be likely that eugenics will be necessary to pull this off

not 'we should kill all the weaklings and retards and sterilize unfit people tomorrow'. sorry for the misunderstanding everybody. its one of those things that you think up when you're really baked, like the possibility of a space elevator to take us to the moon (it obviously isnt going to happen any time soon!)

and honestly if I get pegged as a conservative racist based upon the topic then the jokes on you heh. granted I have quite a history of saying ridiculous things, but these are not things that come up in normal civilized conversation. you have to get me really really fucking angry before I get to the point where I lose all rational sense and say something like 'all jews have a persecution complex'. I mean really.

stop arguing for eugenics

ps: you've consistently said this is an issue of black and white and good and evil. it is not. Israel is in the wrong here blatantly. that much is clear and obvious to anyone who is not FlowerPower. what's astonishing is you don't realize in order for something to be black and white they must be at the least moral opposites. Hamas is not GOOD PEOPLE. they are still VERY BAD. you can understand them but they are still kind of dicks.

what is condemnable is Israel's actions. this does not mean you have to support Hamas. this is a two sided issue but the two sides are "you agree with Israel's actions" and "you don't agree", not HAMAS OR IDF.

I've never used the words good and evil but you like to put words in my mouth, Good and Evil are absolutes and I don't believe in any kind of Absolute. What is black and white about this issue is who is it fault for this conflict even happening and that is Israel. You cannot expect Hamas not to fight back against the blockade and the kidnap and killing of its members, you cannot expect them not to fight back against the bulldozing of their homes and the human rights abuses perpetrated against them. Am I cheerleading israeli citizens dying? No. I think Marmot was pretty correct in saying that there is a greater class divide in Israel as the people in Sderot are primarily poor working class Israelis. However having said that I don't completely dismiss the rocket attacks either as they have been essentially an annoyance to the Israeli people and have barely killed anyone. I do not know what I would do in the situation of being a Gazan. I'm pretty sure I'd be completely fine with the rocket attacks however if I was starving though.

Also yeah I hate all religions in the world too who would have thought! Do I hate the Republican party because of the fact that they are religious? No, I hate them because of their shitty policies (some of which come from their religious beliefs). Do I dislike the anti-feminist stances of Hamas? Of course. I wouldn't expect anything less than full support from Gazans and completely understand as the PLO and Fatah, the two largest secular groups that have ever represented Gaza have effectively sold them out. Fatah is/was corrupt as fuck and Hamas spends 90 percent of its budget on humanitarian/social causes (I'm going to keep repeating this til people recognize it). So yes I support Hamas, Hamas uses unsavory tactics sometimes but they are the only group who truly has the people of Gaza's best interests in mind in the territories.

Also I don't understand your contention that for a subject to be black and white they have to be moral opposites. Where does this idea even come from?

For me this topic is good for two things: Learning more about the conflict and secondly finding out which members are conservative racists.

Holy shit the irony here is off the charts.

legitimate criticisms of hamas: they purposely target civilians, they've used human shields. they are a puppet of iran. they are political islam.

This whole "deal.with.it" shit needs to stop. THEY REPRESENT ISLAMIC PEOPLE are you kidding me. This is a pretty bigoted thing to say if we're now going to be reading into every post and dissecting it to find any implied meaning.

hey let me, a white irish catholic male, educate you on why i'm not a racist.

ps

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3042155&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=196#post354898194

keep scrolling

Hahaha, what is this? What are you even trying to say? You're not actually saying anything you're just using some dumb strawman.

No seriously give me a legitimate criticism of Hamas that doesn't apply to 100 percent of all resistance movements. Hamas has been far more humane than the PLO ever was and spend 90 percent of their budget on humanitarian and social causes in Gaza. This single minded "well they kill people too so.... bad guys  ​" shit is kind of contrived and intellectually shallow. Hegel talked about how conflict is what drives progress and I think that still applies today. The Israeli government have no interest in giving back land to the original armistice borders, have no intention to stop being an occupying force (The Oslo accords are a great example of this) and the only way that their tyranny will be abolished is through conflict. Hamas represents the people of Gaza and are extremely popular for all they do. Hamas also refuses to kowtow to the Israelis and sell out their people like Abbas is doing in the West Bank. Being criticized for supporting them here is not surprising but a little dissapointing.

you do this all the time

And I get called out on it and even warned, it's extremely hypocritical for you to warn me for this and then treat me like i'm a moron in the same topic.

Stop with the stupid personal attacks and patronizing attitude if you're not going to criticize the lengthy post I made about this earlier.

I'm getting really tired of this whole LOOK HE MAY BE ALMOST 100 PERCENT CORRECT BUT... HE'S TRUTH shit.

actually the left despises racism and the reality of pain

also in case nobody knows truth's past he's a single issue voter. he wants hamas in power of the region because he hates gay people and women

lol

seriously look what you've done truth. even ryan is saying dumb shit like I DONT SUPPORT HAMAS BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD because you've convinced people with your idiotic zeal for ANYTHING THAT IS REMOTELY EMOTIONAL that condemning Israel means you must also support Hamas instead of just having a great deal more understanding for Hamas and more condemnation for Israel and now fake Israeli soldiers are posting examples where no one even gets hurt and people are asking you to justify it because you're the only one stupid enough to do this instead of dismissing it. now I'm the only one other than Dietcoke who isn't going to post here that actually feels SOMEWHAT INDIGNANT about the issue and everyone else is stuck in some bullshit libertarian THE REAL WAY IS IN THE MIDDLE crap instead of realizing that when you're facing a country that kills children regularly, has several groups working to insult and degrade you while uplifting them, has all the power, and has forced Palestine in fifty short years from all of the country into basically a fucking landing strip that they are currently invading, a little religious intoleration and violence is somewhat understandable. instead you want to say it's all JUSTIFIABLE and not only is GW not a smart enough place to contemplate external factors to this degree but you aren't a smart enough guy to pull it off!

basically lock this topic you're all awful monsters, if you support Israel in this crisis, set yourself on fire.

I don't know I think that you're arguing that it is some sort of character flaw to be indignant about things. You're basically saying that if you are really indignant about this that it is not worth posting that either ignoring it or trolling the topic are better ideas? I don't really get this, I think that you are essentially angry with me for being angry about something very terrible and being vocal about it. I have sourced every argument i've made, you've somehow thought that I was agreeing with that post even though I wasn't, and you are acting as if I cannot support Hamas even if they themselves have done some bad things.

I support a lot of regimes who have done bad things in place of much worse ones. I support the Iraqi resistance against the US Army, I support FARC against Columbia and the IRA against Great Britain. Can I attempt to defend everything these groups do? Of course not, but they are fighting against imperialist aggressors who are much worse. Sometimes in these kind of conflicts you have to support some groups on idealistic grounds that have done some bad things in their fight. I honestly think that not supporting these groups is apathetic at best and counter-revolutionary at worst (prepared to be made fun of by ryan i don't care). I defend Hamas in this topic not because they are angels, but because I think the contention that they are working against the best interests of the Palestinian people is complete horseshit.

Hi. An Israeli here. An Israeli soldier actually. I've been inside Gaza for some time, got injured and now I'm in the hospital passing my time by reading all those anti-Israel posts around the internet.  I wasn't really sure if I should reply, because I know that there is a very low chance to change anyone's mind in these matters, especially now when it's so "currect" to hate Israel and say we are war criminals etc. But I read some of the posts here and I just feel like I have to be the one saying something for my country and trying to show you the other side.

So first, I will say this: I'm not here to make Israel look all pretty and clean. Yes, Palestinian civilians are being killed and I can give you my word (if it worth something for you) that not a single one of them was killed intentionally. Sometimes it looks like people on the street around the world like to think about us (Israeli soldiers, leaders etc) as animals - we are not animals, we are human just like you. Believe me, I don't like to see any 5 year old kid getting killed - it makes me feel sick and it should never happen. Let me give you a little info from the inside - we came across some house in Gaza, and when we got inside, we saw a family just sitting there. We asked them why they were there, in such a dangerous situation, and they told us that someone locked them inside saying he would kill them with his gun if they go outside. This someone is a Hamas soldier, knowing that this family could die in some Israeli attack. So why the hell will he make them stay inside? isn't he supposed to defend them? Nope. He knows that if they will die, at least this will make Israel look like shit in the media, creating more pressure from the outside world on Israel to get out of Gaza. Another thing about those Hamas "soldiers" - they fight us wearing jeans and T-shirts. There is no way to know if a person is a civilian or a Hamas soldier, until the second he brings out the gun and starts shooting at you. They don't do it because they don't have uniforms, they do it because they simply don't give a fuck about they people of Gaza - all they want is to destroy Israel, no matter the cost. And these stuff are just some of the shit we deal with over there.

About the justification of this whole thing, let me ask you a question: if your country was bombed with rockets for 7 years from a different country, would you want your country to do nothing about it? Imagine this: you walk in some street in your city on a beautiful day, you do your grocery shopping, whatever, and then out of the blue - A ROCKET FALLS right in front of you, killing you! Sound kind of ridiculous, right? We would you think that something like that will happen to you? Well, think about that: in Sderot, an Israeli city 15 KM from Gaza, a day without 3-4 rockets is a REALLY fucking weird day. So the people of Sderot and all of the cities in it's area should just live with that for... how long? another 7 years? will that make this military operation justified? Or maybe we should just wait until the rocket will fall on some group of children, killing them, and THEN we will have a good reason to try and stop it? A week ago, one rocket hit a school class in Be'er Sheva. The class was empty of children because Israel stopped all studying in the bombed ares. Why don't the Hamas do the same for the people he claims to defend? Why do I see a man walking down the street of Gaza with a baby in his arms and an AK47 on his back in the middle of a war? What the fuck?

I have a lot more to say but my time is short right now. Please, feel free to ask me questions (hit me with hard questions if you want) and I will try to get my hands on some computer here to answer them.

How do you justify to yourself Palestinian land being taken and homes bulldozed? How do you justify the food and medical blockade? How do you justify walling people into a ghetto and blocking them off from their land and their work? How do you justify an occupation that has lasted sixty years while tariffing imports into Gaza while not recognizing the geneva convention? Would you still think it was okay if these "terrorists" were hiding among civilians in Tel Aviv? Would you support 800 tel aviv citizens being killed? What do you have to say of reports of children being sniped by Israeli snipers? About un aid convoys and UN schools (whose coordinates were broadcast to the idf) being bombed? The UN has said nobody was mortaring from their property do you accuse them of lying? Why not just cede land to the armistice agreement instead of negotiating through slaughter?

I guess I'll be getting you a russel watson greatest hits for your birthday/mother's day then

do it my birthday is in a few days do you want my address

I'm out for the night, peace in the middle east, free palestine/workers of the world unite/etc.