The sooner people stop allowing MMO developers to released unfinished games while simultaneously shitting on the playerbase's mouth, the better. It's genre is not an excuse for it being half done. They(mythic) has stated numerous times that they were not pressured into an early release. So what, is this the best they can do?

Yea I guess they should just develop them for 8+ years, their graphics are already outdated by about a year or two as is if they want the game to sell well, why not make them 4-6+ years outdated, that'll work just grand I'm sure (unfortunately people do buy games on graphics alone). These games are massive, and all games in the MMORPG genre are unfinished. World of Warcraft is "unfunished". Ultima Online, a game that has been out since the 90s, is "unfunished". These games are never finished until they are shut down because they will never reach a point where they stop working on them. You reach a point where you say, "this is stable enough to hit the public and still work for us." They can't keep the game in development forever, we don't need more Duke Nukem Forevers. They aren't trying to shit on the player base's mouth at all dude.

Obviously I am not saying everyone should release Age of Conans, but there is a substantial difference between Age of Conan and this in how unfinished they were at launch. AoC had a crafting profession that crashed the game by itself, stats that didn't work, blah blah blah blah.

I already addressed the first part of this passage; but what have WAR's developers done that's so much better than blizzard? Patch worthless bugs every few days? Troll the F13 forums? Get into internet fights with rival developers? Mythic is running out of time; and when WOTLK comes out; all of these grind happy idiots are going to go back to WoW. The rest of the playerbase will be left with empty servers and soon; canceled accounts. A chain reaction; that they deem fit to fix one month after the first explosion occurs.

This isn't very true at all! The only way this really reasonably works is if you assume everyone only pays for 1 MMORPG at a time, but that isn't true at all (I know people who are paying for six right now). Quite a few people are paying for both WoW and WAR, one for the PvE the other for the PvP. Obviously some people only pay for 1 and will go back to WoW, but they had unreasonable expectations anyways. They have a sizeable after 1st month subscriber base (750k, average MMO numbers that WoW etc all had on month 1), and I don't see that changing too drastically for the worse with WotLK as much as a lot of people predict.

It's a good game already in its genre, yeah it has pretty big content problems and stability issues, but that is common in this genre because of their design and utter massiveness. A game like Everquest or World of Warcraft are easily well over 50+ times more massive than Oblivion or Morrowind in their entirety, but have the same initial development time nearly. It sounds like you have unreasonable expectations honestly!

But they're gonna try to fix the problems, add more content, fix the stability, make PvP better, and fix the server issues, and that's all they can do. They have their install base, and it's only an uphill battle for them as Mythic is not a dumb company who is going to turn all tyrannical on the forums or break their game even further.

Bought this sucker for PS3 after work (I wanted Little Big Planet, but EBGames ran out). I'll probably give this baby a whirl in 20 or 30 minutes.

The PS3 is reportedly very buggy and the worst, so

Hopefully it won't be too bad for you.

etc

I didn't think anything could be a bigger rip off than AoC, but behold; here's Warhammer Online.

This isn't even close to AoC rip off, IMO. At least the stats actually work here and there's actually stuff to do at the end game and all that actually works.

But, this is an MMORPG. Obviously. The game has been out for just over a month.

You mentioned WoW, so I'm assuming you play it, and I'm thinking you've grown accustomed to where its current state is now. I don't mean breadth of content, or anything, I mean it's stability and the issues (bugs etc) on the content being minimal.

MMORPGs don't work like that at launch, and they quite simply never will because of how big they are. World of Warcraft when it launched was as bad (some would say worse) as Warhammer Online was. It's true. Most of the people couldn't even play WoW on launch day because the servers were so laggy (and remained so for quite some time) that they had to actually be refunded game time. End game barely (didn't) existed. PvP had little purpose behind it but people did it just to attack towns but it wasn't very fleshed out at all. PvE was buggy, with monsters often getting stuck somewhere, becoming invincible (this *still* happens just not often), latency issues out the ass, buggy quests, mailbox problems, etc etc etc. You get the picture. It was so bad a ton of people thought the game was gonna die and not kill EQ (ah, the days when EQ was the king...), but after a few months, it cleared up, and here we are with World of Warcraft having 11,000,000 subscribers.

You can't expect perfection on Day 1, or anything even remotely close to it (problem with the genre, heh). Truth be told, the WAR team is handling this a trillion times better than the WoW team did. WAR dudes patch like every single day to fix issues, something WoW didn't do. But I know that you can't expect perfection, which is why I decided to wait a few months (truth be told, Left 4 Dead is coming out in less than 2 weeks and I know I wouldn't get to play WAR anyways.), and wait for the big first content patch to access where it is. The first content patch is generally telling of where the MMORPG is going to end up. In World of Warcraft's case, they resolved all the major issues plaguing the game, added end game content raids, and pushed the game forward. WAR is already ahead of where WoW was at release in the stability market really, and if they can resolve the issues they say they are & add 2 new classes etc, it's going to go very far very fast IMO.

i don't get why people say oblivion with guns. it is inevitable that it would seem this way when both games were already close in their design (skills, stats, multiple choices that make you good or bad, typical PnP style mechanics). If you took Fallout 1, and made it first person with good graphics, it would be pretty much exactly like this game. I don't get why people say this basically. It sounds like a bad thing when people say it though, especially the big Fallout fans. The only thing that isn't really Fallouty at all is the first person/over the shoulder camera view which was chosen because it's more personal to the player and the quick travel which is just to save time for the player and I'd guess that you're never forced to use it so I bet some people won't use it anyways.

But otherwise, Fallout has always been about the world, it's lore, and the story and this game obviously keeps to that, so I'm sure it's a damn good game just for that! I wish more people would expand on this type of stuff, because the Fallout games are less so about their (not-so-good) gameplay and more about the world/lore/story that is pretty good (you just don't have many post apocalyptic games). Is there still a lot of dark humor around (I heard it's there just not very often), is the story arcs in the quests good (or just bland/basic), etc, this type of stuff is stuff I'm interested in and if you guys who have it could expand that'd be gr9.

Warbands is a Warhammer term, Career points aren't talent points at all, and they invented the term RvR a long time ago with Dark Age of Camelot and it's quite different from PvP. RvR is PvP, but PvP is not RvR, there is a difference.

could probably have a bot find the # of posts made by people with a Join Date after X, I bet. (I am guessing through my teeth and know nothing about what is feasible or possible, but it sounds like this could work.)

AVG is way worse than Avast is at AV though. Avast is the best free AV next to Avira, as its lightweight, fast, and better detection rates. But if you can, get NOD32 for pay (or illegally, your choice.) as its better than both combined x infinity.

However, since you mentioned Spyware, I'm going to recommend you try http://www.superantispyware.com/. Keep your Spybot S&D, both of these programs work well together (obviously don't run them at the same time), and when you use it, go to Preferences and under "Scanning Control" uncheck the following: 
*Ignore files larger than 4MB
*Ignore non-executable files
*Scan only known file types (*.exe, *.com, *.dll, etc.)
*Display scan option in Explorer context (right-click) menu

But check:
*Terminate memory threats before quarantining.

And scan with it (it'll take awhile, approx. an hour or so, depending on your HDD size, etc.).


It's a really good program that I'd keep after you're done either way, it's tied with S&D for best free Anti Spyware IMO.

dude a 360 gameshark will run you like $25-30 so why wouldnt you just pay $5

well I'm not sure what the price is or if the code has a GS supported version (I heard the hack is pretty easy tho, I just don't know how they did it yet (I don't own the game, I play off my friends because I'm too cheap to buy a nex-gen console and i'm not hacking my friends disk)) but I doubt you'd buy a Gameshark for just one game, and this is a super deplorable business practice that you shouldn't support seems like a good reason too!

I don't have anything against people who pay for it tho, if you don't want to hack your disk or whatever, BY ALL MEANS please go throw 5$ of your own money away, but all your doing is sending a message to Namco that it is AOK for them to keep doing this. (holding content off of the live game after they finish it, just to charge you money to readd it back in. Effectively this game cost 65$ (give or take depending on where you got it, sales etc) just to get the whole roster.

I told Medieve this already, but I basically just got confirmation, so...a lot of stuff that's been taking up my time irl (most of this is just straight up my grandma going bonkers) is gonna clear up soon after Halloween (they got medicine that doesn't make her a complete bitch now, hooray!). So if people are interested, I can prepare a Fantasy Ground 2 campaign. Fantasy Grounds is a virtual tabletop, think an IRC client if it had graphics and didn't suck dick. What this means is you get character sheets in a program, dice rolling in a program (no bots), and you can even see what the maps and graphics look like...on your computer screen??? whoah!

It'll be 3.5 and probably high magic cause I like high magic and you can't stop me. A cool thing about FG is it even includes all the rule books and stuff, so you can quickly look something up. If anyone is interested, lemme know. I still have to prepare it, but I got map maker tools etc, so I can make maps up and what not probably by the end of the 2nd week of November and be ready to go. It'd be late at night on a weekday most likely, but not super late, probably 9PM central ish, but we can always work out times later.

I have never seen this game ever, but I want to know what it is post haste so I can try it.

Is it Dink Smallwood

HL, what sort of cheat device could you use for unlocking him? Like I'm not disagreeing with that fact but afaik there are NO CHEAT DEVICES LIKE THAT for 360 or PS3 atm. So you can't really do that. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Gameshark exists for PlayStation 3 and X-Box 360, but you more or less have to hack the actual disk itself (which is beyond me) which is how the people originally found that content and made it available (and had it all taken down, Namco had the vid the hackers put up taken down off of YouTube, yay.). But since it's on the disk, a Gameshark code is easily possible as well. (if someone figures it out)

Makes me wonder what the 7mb (or roughly that much) of data is you download to unlock  Vader/Yoda.

The code and the data that makes him appear in the blank slot of the character select screen by default (and probably a bunch of useless junk to help make it seem more real). But he's fully playable otherwise and you can just use a cheat device to force the game to display Darth Vader/Yoda in that slot for 5$ cheaper. They're ripping anyone who buys it off, it's a common marketing scheme with DLC right now. They withhold content and then add it in later, effectively selling you an incomplete game. They're doing this with Fable 2 (they took some armors out and they'll resell them later), etc. It's pretty dumb.

zombie event ends in like, an hour.

it sucks. best world event ever!

Oh well, at least the Scourge Invasion is still going.

...wasn't this released for the Console first?

Anyways if it's too bright it's cause your personal settings, re-adjust em'.

To be fair I think what the person LT quoted or whatever said is completely right about the brightness, but it's because I have a very bright LCD monitor and making it darker just doesn't work too well. It's either really really really dark (unseeable really) or way too bright on my monitor, which is definitely something I'd agree the console has over the PC version unless if you have a darker CRT monitor. It isn't mood killing bright though, the stuff is still scary, but it probably loses a bit of the atmosphere. (Maybe other people with the PC ver can C/D this, it really could just be my monitor, but I doubt it.)

Yeah the game definitely was made for console.

Also it came out on consoles first, then PC a week later. If it was made for PC from the get-go, it wouldn't take an extra week to release it.

uh, yes it would! you do realize they have to make the game for about 213812903812903812903+ different hardware setups (consoles have 1 setup and that is it), test it on multiple setups in house on top of that just to make sure, make sure the game works right with the new drivers for all the new video cards, and QA it on all those setups just to be extra sure because PCs are stupid like that, do extra stuff for dual/quad cores if they want to to optimize performance, test it out on tons of videos cards, test various resolutions, test various DirectX/shader levels for lower end PC support, make sure the DRM is working right, etc.

Making a game for a PC takes considerably longer than making one for a console, but both are made on the PC.

Haha, I wasn't saying it was nerfed back to the point where people aren't sure if its viable. I just don't want to be put in the position of being discriminated against again. ^^

Every class is discriminated against in some way (whether its your lolret, your huntards, your fury warriors, etc), it's an MMO, people do that. 

yes but this game was released on pc so they made it for a pc and tweaked it for consoles.

its really just like 2 bugs that they'll fix in a patch soon tho. the controller thing isn't too bad (unplug joypad = profit), but the vsynch thing IS annoying if you need vsynch.

how dare they nerf the most broken class in the game to the point where it's still really good and takeable for groups and way better than it ever was in TBC.

Speaking of the PC version...


...has anyone here tried it? I keep hearing it's an horrendous port, and I want to know if it's really that bad on PC because I really want to play this

It's good (it isn't a port at all, they make the games on the PC, the console versions are the ports, so to speak.). It's the exact same as on consoles except for 1 or 2 minor glitches they didn't resolve on launch for PCs (you might have your camera freak out if you have a joypad (especially a USB console one) and a mouse plugged in at the same time, and VSynch is locked at 30FPS instead of 60FPS for some strange reason). Really those are the only 2 problems with it, otherwise it works like a charm.

Warning: It has SecuROM however and limited activations.

its especially a bad price when you can already get them through cheat codes because the content was on the disks. you're paying 5$ for a short code to display them basically.

(basically they are ripping you off)