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Sorry for the delay. Here’s a topic.

It’s not uncommon for bands to have lineup changes, which often result in a change of musical direction. SO I want this topic to be about the various changes that bands go through, and maybe see which ones have benefitted from them.
Lineup and directional changes can be separate, of course. Some musicians just want to keep experimenting and changing their sound. So I guess I’m making this about ANY changes that a band goes through, and looking to find which ones have been the best/worst.
Because a lot of people identify with the vocals in a song, it’s probably the hardest to survive a change in singers. Pink Floyd began with Syd Barrett at the helm, but he left after two albums. While those albums were important in their own right, the Roger Waters-led Floyd is generally the “classic” lineup, making The Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here, among others. Then  when two albums were released after Waters left, they just didn’t feel the same.
However, bands such as AC/DC have survived this. But they sucked so I don’t care.
An interesting example is Joy Division / New Order. Due to an agreement within the band, Joy Division broke up after the death of their singer, Ian Curtis. However, they simply regrouped as New Order, with slight lineup changes, and have been just as influential as their predecessor.
That said, it can be other lineup changes that affect the band. I’m no fan, but I get that Guns N’ Roses without Slash wouldn’t fit. The Who and Led Zeppelin lost their drummers—The Who weren’t quite the same, and Led Zeppelin ended (though there were other factors in their demise).

As I said, sometimes these changes will prompt a change in music, with new members bringing in new ideas (look at what Frank Zappa did when he joined the Mothers). Of course, this doesn’t have to be the cause of directional changes—some bands just want to keep experimenting.
I guess Radiohead are a good example: listen to their first two albums, then see where they’ve gone now. Even each of their recent albums is different from the previous. I’d always thought Muse was kind of bland music, but enjoyed what I heard of their latest album. It seemed, to me, to be more rich and layered and whatever else ( :rolleyes: ).
Seems to me that the RZA went nuts and so new Wu-Tang albums haven’t felt like any of the older stuff. It’s far enough removed to be a change of direction in my eyes, anyway. Fortunately, I can enjoy both sides of Tom Waits’s catalogue: I like the older, jazzy stuff just as much as I like his weirder, post-Beefheart-discovery stuff.
Then, as an odd one: I like that Big Boi from OutKast has stuck with their original sound, but don’t enjoy Andre 3000’s work nearly as much. He went all into pop music and jazz and it didn’t work for me (except Hey Ya! because that song rules). Listening Speakerboxxx/The Love Below will explain what I mean.

I think that’s a few examples from me now, so on to you guys!
Here’s a few questions to consider:
1.   Which bands have changed members, thus improving or destroying themselves for you?
2.   Which bands have changed direction, thus improving or destroying themselves for you?
3.   Is it possible to lose members and still be the same band?
Tell me what you think about changes then! GET TO IT.
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OK music forum let’s have a discussion. I wanna get some talk going on the subject of NIN and Radiohead’s recent release strategy.
No doubt you’ve heard of them, of course, but to recap:
Radiohead released In Rainbows last year, initially as a download. The catch being that you could pay as much or as little as you wanted, though the mp3 quality was average. Otherwise, you could buy the more expensive box version (with an extra disc and vinyl), or wait for the regular retail release (one disc only). They’ve made remix and filmclip competitions, to get their fans more involved. The album itself has been praised, and the release was a success – for the most part. While it’s gotten them much more attention (even if they’re already pretty big nowdays), there’s been some backlash for the 160kbps issue, and lack of other features in the download.

Nine Inch Nails followed this, sort of. According to Trent Reznor, the spark was when he saw a store selling Year Zero for $35. He’s encouraged fans to steal his music before, apparently since last year or so (maybe a fan can correct me on this). Now this year, the NIN albums Ghosts I-IV and The Slip have had unorthodox releases. Ghosts is available in several different versions, with one of them being a free sample. The Slip is available as a free download, in various versions of quality. There will also be some physical, retail versions. Additionally, both albums are licensed under Creative Commons.

Reznor has commented on Radiohead’s method, too. "At the end of the day if you look at what they did it was very much a bait and switch, get you to pay for a myspace quality stream as a way to promote a very traditional record sale. What they did right? They surprised the world with a new record and it was available digitally first. What they did wrong? By making it such a low quality thing, not even including art work and including things they've even said themselves, hey the proper way to get this record is on a CD and that's coming out in a few months." - http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/musicnews/s2188860.htm
I am inclined to agree with him here, too.

Now, releasing free albums online is nothing particularly new. Some bands are just cool like that. Others will just stick to a few songs, or alternative versions of songs if they want to please their fans. Gnarls Barkley recently released elpuocddoeht, a reverse version of The Odd Couple in one track and with no vocals (get it at http://www.fronttobackbacktofront.com/ ). Mashup artists usually have to release albums or songs for free, since they don’t get clearance. And of course, hip-hop culture has its many mixtapes, which are useful for artists’ hype.
That all said, it’s bands like NIN and Radiohead who’ll have a real impact on the music industry. We’re already looking at a rise in downloads, with iTunes and so forth, but this is all paid for. The alternatives are usually illegal (like the old incarnation of Napster).
So really, we’re looking at these “big name” bands (I think Rh and NIN are big enough to call big, don’t you?). They’ve really pushed free online distribution forward, and changed the way we look at music releases. Tent Reznor has mentioned that there are plans for future free albums (including a Ghosts continuation); Radiohead remain elusive as always.

Now to make this a discussion, I’d like to get opinions and thoughts on this. Some possible things to consider:
  • Were the releases handled appropriately?
  • What sort of impact will NIN and Radiohead’s releases have on the industry (since they’re so big)?
  • Do you know of other bands who’ll be following their methods? Are there any existing releases you really like?
  • If you were a small band, would you try an unorthodox release? What if you were in a well-known or well-regarded band?
(Heh, this sounds like an activity sheet in a school textbook - but you don't have to answer any of these things, remember!)

But really, say whatever! It’s an interesting time, since the digital format for music has really become marketable in the past few years. Now it’s the bands themselves who are changing or taking control of it.

As a final thing, here’s a clip of Reznor talking about the issue: http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/notes/s2185560.htm
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bring. it. on.

r.i.p. meta sal dali i wish you'd posted longer cos you seemed like a cool guy
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I leaned back in my chair, eyes still fixed on the door. Surely, it was time; I couldn’t wait much longer. My eyes flicked up to the clock and watched the second hand, but I didn’t really register the hour. Then I glanced back at the door, willing it to move. Maybe if I stared with enough force… no, that was a stupid idea. Nothing to be done except for proper waiting. So the minutes slipped by…

Finally, it opened. I lit up at the sight of John’s body. Compact but lean. Charismatic manner. Bushy eyebrows.
“I made it,” he said, “and I’m sorry that I’m la-.”
I cut him off: “Don’t worry. All that matters is that you’re here.” I forced myself out of the chair to move towards him. “How did the talk go?”
“Not great, Mitchell. The party’s popularity is falling. I think this may be my last term. I… I think we’ll have to put up with Kevin Rudd next year.”
“Don’t say these things, John. You are a good prime minister. You’re… my prime minister. It’ll be alright.”
I put my arms around him; he was clearly worried, and his eyes watered at the corners. I felt like crying too, but one of us had to be strong. I actually didn’t think he had much of a chance either, but needed him happy.

I lifted his suit coat of his arms and he didn’t protest. His shirt followed, then shoes and pants. My shirt went over my head afterwards. He seemed to regain some composure after we looked at each other. It must have been the intense longing in my eyes. I wanted that body.

Then he was pushing me back towards the bed. The time had come, and my heart pounded. The excitement caused a buzzing in my eyes that made me think of space chaos. The – time – had – come. I fell back onto the sheets and let my arms lie either side of my body. He moved over me, now on the bed as well. I breathed in his scent as he crawled up to get our faces level. I stroked his back. John put his face up above mine, and opened his mouth. He started to move his head down so I closed my eyes and waited for his sweet kiss.


I woke up, neck aching. I was still in my chair, and I was alone. John had never been, he didn’t even know me. Reality could be crippling. I’d fallen asleep and started to think about him coming to me… a dream I had had before.

Then I remembered that he really was declining in popularity, according to the polls. This could be his last year… my last chance. The dream was a sign.

I was out the door and on the plane just a few hours later.

Because there is a high chance of an arrest or death in this, you will probably not see him here again. He says goodbye, Gaming World.
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afura is going to update this from now on

WELCOME to the GW Musicians album list
a topic by Adeline


DO YOU WANT SOME ALBUMS? GW's musicians and their bands have released many of their own this year, so this topic will link to all of them. It works in much the same way as GW's blog list in the General forum. Note that some albums and EPs may no longer uploaded--but this still gives everyone a guide to all our fantastic releases. It collects both full-length albums and EPs.


a note to the musicians
-If I've made a mistake in the album or artist name in this topic, post as well and I'll oblige.
-If you wish to have the link to your release removed, likewise. No questions asked. However, the topic will still remain in GW. You may want to edit the download link out of it as well.
-This topic is for albums and EPs, not for individual songs. Post them in the composition topic. (If you have one-song albums or EPs, they CAN go here.)
-If you'd like, I can write the music genre next to the release. Just let me know what you'd have there.
-Albums and EPs by your band (as opposed to you solo) are fine.

a note to the would-be downloaders
-Please limit discussion of the releases to each release's topic. HOWEVER,
-if the topic is old, TOO BAD BUCKO. We don't like necroposting, so check the date of the topic's creation before you go criticising or complimenting.
-Some of the download links in the release topics may no longer be valid. The files may have been removed, or in the case of YouSendIt and all that, it may have expired. If you want the album so badly, you'll probably have to contact the artist. Whether they decide to re-upload is up to them entirely. Or those with Zoo access could get someone else (who downloaded when it came out) to get them a copy, so the artist doesn't have to do it again.

Now, without further fucking around and being a Nazi, the links:

Semi-Good Advice: Prederanged - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=49383.0

A-Ron: The Address to Earth Mixtape - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=60700.0
Full mixtape plus update - http://savefile.com/projects/808619780

Half-Hour by the ATARI Lake EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=50813.0
ATARIsick - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=58213.0
ATARIsick Part II (God is a Spiral) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=1608.0

Hallucinate - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=51571.0
Experiments in 256 Colors - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=50193.0
Pulse - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=53124.0
theamoebamotioncollective: theamoebamotioncollective - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=58091.0

Cheshire Cat
Erich Zann: Erich Zann - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=58190.0
Dirt Terrific: Brown Carpet EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=62246.0

Joshua Evensen: Bodily Harm - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=53258.0
emFrik EP: -http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=72613.0

Crumpy - Enslave- http://www.myspace.com/melancholicenslave

Markus Meurman: Astral - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=49402.0
Lihakauppa: Lauluja Pimeydestähttp - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=58033.0 (topic shared with GWT Best Of)
Markus Meurman: Real EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=61728.0
Markus Meurman: Tales From Aquapolis - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=62350.0

Diggity Dawg
Bruce Genitals: Who is Bruce Genitals? - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=1301.0

That Duck 3: Duck in the City - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=58995

Untitled Head: Mixtape Happening  - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=51626.0
Untitled Head: Bean Soup - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=59785.0
Untitled Head: Sebastopol EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=62772.0
Helical (GaZZ's band): 4 Track EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=49013.0
Adam Houghton (GaZZwa's friend, guitarist of Helical): Blue Rhythm EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=55092.0

Golden Cloud Producitions: Into the Great Unknown... Signature Series - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=62426.0

Perhaps It's Time To Go To Sleep EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=53628.0

Larseface: Christianity Should be Illegal - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=53205.0
Various Lars projects: Lars Needs To Realise His Music Sucks EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=53770
Lars Holdaas: Sailing for Paradox Beach - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=58292.0

Novella: Green Horizon - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=49559.0

Kenlynitis - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=54521.0

Part 2 and Trill - Davidoff Classic -http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=4519.0

Homeland OST - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=57303.0 (soundtrack to the game)

real jamicus
An Exciting New Way To Relax - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=46595.0
Scribbles EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=53191.0
Keep it Down - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=54713.0
Some Eristic Illusion - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=56825.0
Days On Down - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=62253.0

Evolution EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=57884.0

Francis Guini: Time is Relative to the Observer - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=38890.0
Francis Guini: At Ease - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=56782.0
Francis Guini: Dreamstate 1 and Subsequent States of Mind -  http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=62446.0
Francescolini Guini: Backflip Your Way to Success - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=37933.0
Francescolini Guini: Tobogan EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=59444.0

Critical Mass Approaching - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=60986.0

riverscape EP - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=62533.0

Morte na Colina - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=54672.0

The GW Troubadours - These are compilation albums, comprising of many tracks by different GWers.
8. Best Of (best of the first 7 albums) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=58135.0 (topic shared with DP's album)
1. Lonely Hearts (Beatles tribute) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=1116.0
2. Ink Blots (Madness theme, 2 discs) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=1248.0
3. & 4. Dual album release: Unplugged (acoustic) and Overclocked (electronic) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=1302.0
5. While My Dick is Strong (original songs) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=53246.0
6. The Sound of Milk and Cookies (Christmas album) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=1409.0
7. Storytime is Go! (songs based on pre-existing stories) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=1493.0
9. Kid Orpheus (concept album) - http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=60979.0

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