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don't know if any of you guys remember me but I still (very rarely) visit this forum to see what new stupid things are posted.
 
a lot in my life has changed over the last few years, but some of y'all might remember my photography - dropping the link incase anyone's interested. i'm in china working at an architecture firm at the moment (almost single-handedly working on converting an old factory into a buddhist temple, this place is the land of fucking opportunity). i might come back here in the near future to "make it"
 
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i'm in tel aviv right now and i thought some of you might be interested to see some pictures. i also went to amsterdam and jerusalem and some smaller cities. i'm going to update this with my photos throughout my trip. first three are new york/toronto































































































































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i can't believe these guys haven't been mentioned here yet, they've been exploding in the last few days


it alll started when tyler released yonkers:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw


one of my friends showed me the video when it had a few hundred hits and it's been amazing watching it unfold over the last few days. it's hit over 1.5 million hits for some 19 year old unsigned kid rapping


since then they put on a crazy show on jimmy fallon with mos def making an appearance at the end:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyMuBi-kH8


kanye west tweeted that yonkers is the video of 2011, and they did an mtv interview yesterday, they're cocky as fuck and they know they're growing huge, mostly because of the internet. they're pretty much the new wu-tang.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViTIg57qJtY


recommend chill sonic landscapes
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TORONTO - Hundreds of noisy G20 demonstrators shut down traffic in downtown Toronto on Monday protesting the heavy police presence in the city.

With the gathering of world leaders just days away, anti-poverty activists and others rallied at Allan Gardens.

Chanting slogans such as "Whose streets? Our streets!" and "Justice now!" the demonstrators — some masked, others wearing T-shirts with slogans or carrying banners — marched through the streets.

They blocked intersections, briefly occupied an Esso gas station then walked past the Eaton Centre.

"I know a lot of people who really don't like the G20 but are afraid to be out on the streets of Toronto," said a man who said he's a member of the hip-hop duo Test Their Logik.

"They see the sound weapons, they see the tear gas, they see the press releases the pigs are putting out, saying that like they're going to have snipers on the rooftops," he said.

The duo performed a song for the crowd that started off as "a police state, a police state, rise up, rebel, before it's too late."

Demonstrators say the $1 billion spent on military-style security for the gathering of world leaders could better be spent on the poor, health care or child care.

They shouted "Stop the war, arm the poor, make the rich pay."

Dozens of officers on bicycles moved like a wave alongside protesters, blocking side streets as the loud but peaceful marchers passed by.

The G20 leaders only serve the rich, and the G20 doesn't represent them, some protesters said.

"Who steals the wealth we create?" said Jamila Ghaddar, an organizer with the Hamilton Coalition Against the G20.

"Money and resources are supposed to go to the people in our society so everybody is taken care of. They steal that," Ghaddar told the crowd.

Representatives of the Ontario Coalition Against Poverty and the Kingston Coalition Against Poverty were in the crowd, said Kelly Pflug-Back, 21, a rally organizer and University of Guelph student.

"We are involved on a day-to-day basis with trying to provide the things that the government is not providing, trying to create a framework for a community that is self-sufficient," said Pflug-Back.

The marchers also oppose the Western presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, said protester Morteza Gorgzadeh.

One protester was arrested. The demonstrators plan to stage another march during Tuesday afternoon's rush hour.

Meanwhile, police warn they have added a water cannon to their arsenal as they step up security ahead of the summit in Toronto.

Provincial police Const. Michelle Murphy of the Integrated Security Unit said the water projection system will be used to control large crowds if there are riots.

"The projection system causes less injuries so that's why it's an option for us," said Murphy.

Toronto's police chief has said 5,100 officers have been assigned to keep the city safe as the weekend summit nears.

Officers have been doing security sweeps through parks where protests will be held. Workers have put the finishing touches on the three-metre-tall fence that surrounds the security zone.

People are advised to avoid the fenced-off area, and officers will ask those trying to get inside for identification and their reason for entering.

The Canada Revenue Agency said Monday it will close its tax office near the security zone Wednesday through Friday.

Security for the G8 summit in Huntsville, Ont., was also boosted. As of Monday, no public access was being granted to Deerhurst Resort where world leaders will gather.

Road restrictions on a portion of Highway 60 go into effect Wednesday.


I have a day off saturday, should I go to the protests against the g20? I'm against the g20 but don't want to actively protest because i don't want to get arrested so i'll just take pictures. yesterday a black car stopped on the other side of a 3 meter concrete/metal fence, fired 3-4 shots into the air and then drove off - the police couldn't do anything in time because they were on the wrong side of the fence. today i think a suitcase was left to scare police into thinking it was a bomb. i don't think it will get violent but this kind of shit is just stirring the police up and tightening security more.

Has anyone here attended any large protest?? should I be worried about the possibility of tear gas, sound cannons (which may be banned) and water canons? tear gas isn't very friendly i hear.  or should i just not bother and stay home?
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I just came back from a trip to Israel, it was really incredible. Figured some of you might be interested in seeing the photos. I was really lucky and got a completely FREE trip to go there on a program called Birthright. (The program believes it is every Jew's right (by blood) to see their homeland -- a really incredible program).

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Beginning of my trip. An Israeli shopkeeper who sold a variety of sunflower seeds and nuts asked me to take a picture of him. It made him really happy.




Northern Israel, an area notorious for being  bombed. Many of the buildings lie in ruins. I  was mostly on a bus for this, so I was unable to capture a lot of the abandoned schools and buildings full of graffiti.




The Golan Heights, located in Northern Israel.




Golan Heights.




Mount Bental, an ancient extinct volcano located in the Golan Heights, now used as an Israeli bunker. Used to be a Syrian bunker until Israel captured it in the 6 day war after Syria invaded. A key strategic point as it overlooks Syria, located only 60 km away.




Syria. The right half of the snow-peaked mountain is Syria, the left (with less snow) is the Israeli border.




scenic view




A little hike I enjoyed early in the morning at the Kibbutzim I was staying at.




A bunker in one of the houses at the Kibbutz where I stayed. We were given a tour by one of the locals, a very typical Israeli man who would every so often mutter under his breath, "and every so often we have to get into the bunkers when rockets come down," ever so casually and continue on with another subject.

The Kibbutz itself is a very interesting small society. There are still a few scattered over the North of Israel. A perfectly socialist community in which all property and food is communally owned. If an individual possesses a piece of property that another does not (and is thus "richer" than the other) they must give it up to the community, where it would be placed where all may use it (an example of this is a piano).
All decisions are thoroughly democratic (for example, say someone wanted to increase their property and build another room it would have to go through a community panel).

Kibbutz were very popular near the time when Israel was created, as the whole country was poor and these communities allowed individuals to pool their resources and wealth together. Today, a very small minority lives in them as the country has become far richer.
(Also, I don't know how but the grass is SO GREEN EVERYWHERE)




There is no piece of land unused in Israel. The North is littered with farm fields all around. With such little land to use, it's imperative to use every piece of viable land possible.




Lebanese border, only a few hundred meters away from the location of where the Second Lebanese War broke out. Small sticks used to mark the border. Today, an electric fence followed by another fence protect the border.

A completely surreal experience sitting atop this mountain in complete silence and hearing dozens of Lebanese minorettes blasting early morning prayer in the distance.



A synagogue in the ancient city of Tzfat.


Tzfat.


Tzfat.


Tzfat.


Tzfat.






A nature conservatory in Northern Israel where hundreds of thousands of birds migrate through every year. Here, they are tagged. In this photo, a popular spot for cranes to amass (there were literally tens of thousands of them in this field).




A bench in the ancient city of Caesarea, once a huge port city controlled by the Romans.







one of the few pictures I have of myself




Caesarea (what I believe may be oil rigs in the distance).







An apartment building in a small suburb in Tel Aviv.



A Chinese mother and daughter, waiting for an operation by a humanitarian organization Save a Child's Heart. Run by several heart surgeons, they voluntarily operate and save many children who are in critical condition and do not have the money for heart surgery in their home country.

Since the mother could only speak around 10 words of English and my Chinese is very elementary, it was really difficult to communicate, so I cannot say where exactly they are from. The most I got was a rural village/city in Eastern China. Taking this photo made them unbelievably happy, I'm going to e-mail it to them soon.

If I recall correctly, over 40% of the patients from SACH are Palestinian children.



An old man in Tel Aviv




Israel is littered with interesting graffiti (for example I remember one saying "Know Hope").
This one refers to a very touristy street just a few meters away (this is located in an alley nearby), where a large marketplace boasts hundreds of small shops selling souvenirs.



My tour guide, a very interesting character and an excellent teacher. In this picture, he is pointing to his grandmother's name on a monument commemorating the Jewish families who founded Tel Aviv more than a hundred years ago.

Where Tel Aviv lies now used to be large sand dunes, and these early pioneers envisioned a great city for where Jews and Arabs could co-exist as Jaffa's streets (where most people at the time were living) were very narrow and cramped.



Formerly known as Kings of Israel Square (every surrounding street is named after a king), Rabin Square is a large public square which today is the most popular protest area in Tel Aviv.

Today it is named after Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated in the square in 1995 (I still remember it to this day, this was when I still lived in Tel Aviv) for attempting peace talks with the Palestinians, which the ultra-orthodox were extremely against. The rally was a sign of massive support for the talks (the Oslo peace process).







A fellow russian jew I met on the trip






Ceremony celebrating Israeli soldiers end of 3 weeks of training. After a speech they are handed their guns back as well as a Tanakh. We were very lucky to stumble upon it by chance.










lacoste pizza? wha?




Aroma, a great coffee shop that can be found all over Israel (also the reason for why Starbucks failed in Israel).

They opened two stores in Toronto (I've been to them before, but never knew they were Israeli!), highly recommend it.




The Negev Desert, picture taken from atop a camel.




A Bedouin roasting coffee beans in a tent in the Negev Desert.

The Bedouins are an interesting nomadic Arab minority that can still be found in Israel. They hold good relations with the government, some even serving in the IDF.




Bedouin tent where I slept for a night. Not a very comfortable place especially with the harsh winter desert nights (though nowhere nearly as bad as Canada).




A Bedouin in the Negev desert, watching over his camels.




A wall in the ancient mountaintop city and fortress Masada. A famous historical site of the Jewish revolt against the Roman empire in the 1st century CE. Some 960 or so Jews committed suicide (rather than being taken captive) once the Romans built a giant ramp (still seen today) and began to lay siege.







The Dead Sea




A bike that was left behind on the Dead Sea, now encrusted with salt.




The Dead Sea shrinks a large amount every year. Today lies barren rock where once was a beautiful sea.




A cat gazes over Jerusalem.




Arab quarter of Jerusalem.




Jerusalem.




Jerusalem.




The Western Wall (Wailing Wall), located in the Old City, Judaism's holiest site.

Visitors to the wall are divded by gender, the left (a much larger area) is dedicated to men, and on the right (not seen in the photo) the women are able to pray.




Mount Herzl, named for Theodor Herzl, father of Zionism. Fallen IDF soldiers are buried here, as well as several Israeli leaders (such as Rabin)




Shlomi, an Israeli soldier that I was fortunate enough to have as my roomate for 5 nights. Commander of a unit currently deployed in the Gaza strip that specializes in disarming IEDs.

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This place is pretty dead and I have a feeling this topic is going to sink like obama’s approval rating but maybe some of you guys are interested?

does anyone here know anything about photography? i’m actually kinda curious if you guys have fave photographers aside from like ANSEL ADAMS or something

my exposure to photography is mainly based on asian photographers, mostly japan. I don’t know if this is because that’s what most of my friends are inspired by and talk about and buy books about, or because photography basically IS japan nowadays (pretty much every major photo company is japanese (canon Nikon sony mamiya yashica Olympus etc etc) save for a few other well known ones like leica or carl zeiss)

my biggest inspiration is probably nobuyoshi araki, and even though I’m pretty much lightyears away from his photos (mainly because I don’t have naked women posing in ropes) he’s pretty much everything I wish I could be, but I know I won’t.  there’s a picture of him in my avatar.
He’s a pretty fucked up dude. I’d say he probably went a lil crazy after his wife died, where he took pictures of her (dead, see below) and that’s probably when all his photos started being of naked jap women

araki's dead wife


Heres some photos he did of bjork






Lady gaga






Self portrait



Some more photos












here are a few good images by Manabu Yamanaka. He started off by taking photos of homeless people in 1989 and ever since has been taking photos of people on the margins of society, especially the physically deformed and elderly. these might be a lil disturbing













Haruto hoshi takes photos in a really captivating style in major cities, I don’t really know much about him but I like his photos. he has a lot of really honest portrayals of urban life and he's pretty amazing at capturing the right moments.













Avedon is pretty much just fucking amazing. He revolutionized fashion photography in every way and has taken pictures of everyone you like. Seriously. He’s one of the most original photographers I’ve ever seen. i suggest checking out his website, he's taken pictures of picasso, the beatles, aldous huxley, william burroughs allen ginsberg and pretty much anyone famous ever.

bob dylan



burroughs
















These are probably the most powerful images in this topic.  Nhem En was an ordinary guy who was assigned under pol pot to photograph incoming prisoners at prison “s-21” in Cambodia. He had almost no previous training to photography.

Here are a few words he said

"I saw the suffering of prisoners who were arrested and tortured with electricity. This is beyond what I thought of. If they tied me and whipped me to get me to confess that I was a thief, I would say that I am a thief because I could not bear such torturing. As far as I know, out of 1,000 people there were two or three of them [who ][/who]. I say this because some from my village, who arrived here with me, were arrested and charged with being the enemy. As they could not endure the torture, they confessed that they were enemies.
It was difficult to take pictures of the newcomers who were blindfolded and tied up when they were leaving the truck. Sometimes they arrived in chains. Sometimes we got reprimanded; for example, if we took a picture of A and the photo was not good and A was already killed, then we were charged as the enemy. In here, if we did not carefully do our jobs we could not escape from being jailed or stopped from working.
If the photos of the important people, such as the KGB, were not taken well, then the photographer would be in difficulty. They were looking for CIA, KGB and the invaders.”
























so uh, discuss and post some photos you guys like. if you like these i could post more photographers i like


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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html

pretty interesting. a new fossil was found to have existed a million years before lucy and that there is no "missing link" -- something inbetween humans and chimpanzees. apparently the last known ancestor now looks neither like chimp nor human nor anything inbetween?
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new yo la tengo album released just last week.

it's really really good. you guys should check it out.
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I've noticed quite a few people mention that they don't really read or anything so I think its time for a READING CONSENSUS!

Tick all the types of books you read or if you read any then tick the last one.

BUT WHY? How have you managed to avoid Twilight? don't you see the fun in reading real literature? haven't you given in to peer pressure and read The Da Vinci Code?
TELL ME
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I'm going to nyc this saturday and will be staying there for about 4 days with my girlfriend. we're going there/back on $1 megabus tickets we got from someone and we're going to rent some person's nice apartment from the internet for like $30 a night in the upper east side near chinatown.

we've got most of our stay planned out with the restaurants / shops / things during the day (eg moma, dinosaur jr in central park). do you guys know any good bars or clubs or live music venues or whatever that are worth going to in the night? i know some of you live around there and hopefully y'all aren't underage/lame to not know any places!

i'll post any good pics in this thread too when i come back I guess!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5737927/Blind-man-has-sight-restored-by-having-tooth-implanted-in-his-eye.html

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Martin Jones, 42, a builder, had been blind for 12 years after a tub of white hot aluminium exploded in his face as he worked at a scrapyard.

He married his wife Gill, 50, four years ago but had not seen her until after the delicate eight-hour operation to return the gift of sight.
 
The rare procedure meant that one of Mr Jones' front teeth was removed and used as a lens holder in his right eye.

"I met my wife when I was blind and when I found out there was a chance I would get my sight back the first person I wanted to see was her," said Mr Jones, from Broom, Rotherham.

"The doctors took the bandages off and it was like looking through water and then I saw this figure and it was her. She's wonderful and lovely. It was unbelievable to see her for the first time.

"I feel fantastic getting my sight back. I can't really describe it – it's beyond words. I was blind for 12 years and when my sight came back everything had changed.

"The first car I saw when my sight was restored was a Smart car and I couldn't stop laughing – I'd never seen one before and I thought it had been chopped in half.

"Getting my sight back has changed my life. It is such a precious gift and you don't really appreciate it until it is taken away.

"I have been so fortunate that my sight has been returned. I find it such a simple pleasure being able to see what is going on in the world."

After his accident Mr Jones had to wear a special body stocking for 23 hours a day after suffering 37 per cent burns to his body and had his left eye removed after it was destroyed in the accident.

But his right eye was saved even though he was unable to see through it.

At first specialists in Nottingham tried to save his sight using stem cells from a donor but the attempt failed.

But then it was decided that he would be suitable for the revolutionary tooth transplant, carried out by Brighton based surgeon Christopher Lui, the only consultant in the country capable of doing the operation.

Mr Liu is a corneal specialist and Consultant Ophthalmic Surgeon based at Sussex Eye Hospital, Brighton. He is also President of the British Society for Refractive Surgery.

The procedure began when one of Mr Jones' canine teeth was removed and converted into a holder for a special optical lens by drilling a hole in it.

The tooth was then inserted into his cheek for three months to enable it to grow new tissue and blood vessels.

Then finally came the delicate operation to insert the tooth, complete with the fitted lens into Mr Jones' right eyeball.

Within two weeks of the final operation to implant the tooth in his eyeball his sight returned and he was told he had almost perfect vision in his right eye.

"When I first heard about the technique I couldn't believe it. I don't think many people can.

"My friends just don't believe me. They think I'm pulling their leg or have just made it up.

"But when I take my glasses off they say "oh my God" Because my eye looks like something out of a sci-fi movie. They're just amazed at it," he said.


you have to check out the picture in the link too. i don't have much to say to this, just wanted to share it but WAT.
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my friend made a music documentary, and he wants to know what people think of it. do you guys like it/hate it/are bored by it? opinions!
i know the camera used / the sound quality is pretty terrible but other than that, the material itself/how it was all shot?

http://vimeo.com/4878252
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hey, i'm going to make a website for my photography. I want to use a custom domain name (.net, i've already got a name that isn't taken thought of) and i know jack shit about all these matters so do you guys know where the best place to do this would be? I'm willing to pay the yearly fee or whatever. for now all i want this domain to do is redirect to a tumblr but eventually i want it to actually host shit.

thanks!
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there's a friend (neighbour) in my living room right now  w/ his laptop because the cops are in the area and he's wanted for assault.

doing it for weed  :welp:

is there any chance i could get in trouble for this if i claim he comes in to study here all the time or is this a terrible terrible idea and im a huge dummy?
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I’ve been meaning to write this topic for a while now but I have constantly delayed it because a) school and b) I honestly could not think of what to call this topic, and as you can see the title is still shit so I apologize for that. Also posting this to revive the music forum a little bit ...

Anyway, I have compiled a few bands which either … sound very similar to other older bands or which take elements of said bands and create a new sound. It’s basically to show that good music these days isn’t dead if you know where to look for it. That sounded really awful, but here goes …

A Place to Bury Strangers




Probably  one of the more popular shoegaze/noise bands out there today. Formed in 2003 in New York City, they didn’t pick up much buzz until they played a show with the Brian Jonestown Massacre. Since then, they’ve been described by several publications, including the New York Times and Washington Post (as well as picking up a good review from Pitchfork), as one of the loudest bands [of ][/of].  Upon first hearing it, immediate influences instantly bring up a Skywave-Jesus & Mary Chain hybrid.  The vocals, drumming and bass are all heavily reminiscent of Skywave with a huge “wall-of-sound” in many of the songs. 

Oliver Ackermann, frontman of A Place to Bury Strangers, is known for using a multitude of different effects pedals and has actually created his own line, Death By Audio. Bands ranging from Lightning Bolt to U2 to Nine Inch Nails to TV on the Radio and I believe even Thurston Moore (he performed at the warehouse where Death By Audio is located)  have began using some of his pedals.

A Place to Bury Strangers are signed to Mute Records (which has now been sold to EMI) but which did include acts such as Einstürzende Neubauten, Wire, Depeche Mode, Sonic Youth and Nick Cave. 


Raveonettes




Formed in 2001 in Denmark, The Raveonettes gained popularity once they had played a show at SPOT festival in Denmark’s second largest city, Aarhus.  Since, they have picked up acclaim from Rolling Stone and Q Magazine, where their albums have been compared to Psychocandy.
And in some ways their albums do resemble Psychocandy, providing melodic vocals contrasted by heavy instrumentation that waves in and out of songs as they build up. As last.fm puts it, “they sound very much like a slightly more melodic version of The Jesus and Mary Chain.”    To put it further, I would describe them as Karen O teaming up with the Jesus and Mary Chain.

I highly recommend the album Lust Lust Lust.



Have a Nice Life




I’m not sure of any of their previous activity, but they released their full-length, double-disc record Deathconciousness in January 2008. The band was formed between Tim Macuga (black metal member of Nahvalr) and Dan Barrett, member of some band called In Pieces. 

This record is extremely overwhelming, and also a lot of it is shit. The two-disc package comes with a 75-page booklet about medieval Italian heretics or something and was entirely hand-made (each disc was individually painted).  For fucks sake, they’ve got Marat on their album cover – how much more pretentious could you get?

The album is lo-fi, shoegaze, drone, industrial and a medley of tons of other genres mixed in one. With that said, however, the disc only features a few good songs, the rest being at masturbatory-lengths that do not go anywhere. When I say this, I mean the extra piece of lint on my pants becomes far more interesting. However, several tracks on the album stand out and make this album extremely worthwhile. I think this man’s review put it best, actually:




The December Sound




This is probably my favourite band on this list for the moment, I’m having some huge obsession with them.  Thing is, I don’t even know how to describe them … buzzing guitars, drone-like beats, soft, echoing vocals, and generally amazing overall.

Fun fact: I just stopped writing mid-sentence in that last line and went to the bathroom to throw up. I’m pretty sure I have strep throat as my throat has been hurting like a bitch for a while now, I’m going to go to the doctor to check it out tomorrow. I’m going to have to cut this a little short and just list the rest of the bands, sorry :(


The Fleeting Joys




This band is basically My Bloody Valentine. No joke.


To Kill a Petty Bourgeoisie




A noisy portishead.


Holy Shit




Collab between Ariel Pink and Matt Fishbeck (of Push Kings) making amazing lo-fi sometimes 60s sounding music.

LSD and the Search for God




Another shoegaze band that I like because of the interplay between male and female vocals (otherwise I could list you tons of other modern shoegaze bands).

Anyway, to make this all worthwhile, I’ve uploaded zip file with two songs from each band for you to sample. If you like what you hear, you can … acquire the album from elsewhere!

Tracklist:
1. Missing You – A Place to Bury Strangers
2. Don’t Think Lover – A Place to Bury Strangers
3. Aly Walk With Me – The Raveonettes
4. You Want the Candy –  The Raveonettes
5. Waiting for the Black Metal Record to Come in the Mail – Have a Nice Life
6. Holy Fucking Shit: 40,000 – Have a Nice Life
7. Never – The December Sound
8. Kill Me (Before I Kill You) – The December Sound
9. You Are the Darkness – The Fleeting Joys
10. Lights Underground – The Fleeting Joys
11. The Patron – To Kill a Petty Bourgeoisie
12. Lovers & Liars – To Kill a Petty Bourgeoisie
13. Written All Over Your Face – Holy Shit
14. I Don’t Need Enemies – Holy Shit
15. Backwards – LSD and the Search for God
16. Starting Over – LSD and the Search for God


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I don't think we've had one of these threads for a while soo...


talk about concerts!!! what you're going to see, what you want to see, what you've recently seen, etc.

for me:

March-

asobi seksu (i really want to go to this but its on a tuesday so i most likely can't go on the bus because of class and i'm really sad!! last time they played here i wasn't 19 and couldn't find a suitable id in time).
a-trak
the gaslight anthem (going to miss cut copy/matt&kim for this)
ariel pink's haunted graffiti
junior boys
belle orchestre

April -

andrew bird
the faint
acid mothers temple
black kids
appleseed cast

May -

Animal collective ((part of the) birthday present from the gf, got it before they all sold out)
the national
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I don't see much talk about Sonic Youth around here, I don't know why?

I really, really like Sonic Youth. My father used to have a mixtape with a lot of their songs on it that I used to listen to when I was younger so I was exposed to it for a long time but didn't like them/listen to them willingly until fairly recently, actually.

I think that Daydream Nation, while being a really good album, is overrated in being their "best" or most liked album. There's really good songs on there (my favourite, unsurprisingly, "Teen Age Riot"), though there's tons of other good ones. I really like Dirty, Goo, A Thousand Leaves, and several other albums...

Most people probably haven't heard of A Thousand Leaves, but if you get a chance to..check it out. "Sunday" and "Hits of Sunshine (for Allen Ginsberg) are both superb songs, check them out if you haven't, definitely.

Also, do you think Sonic Youth are better being more noise-driven or with softer, mellower songs (ie. Superstar & Hits of Sunshine)?

euuurghhgf this thread is so disorganized, but sonic youth, gogogo.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2470310/Sexual-harrassment-okay-as-it-ensures-humans-breed,-Russian-judge-rules.html

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A Russian advertising executive who sued her boss for sexual harassment lost her case after a judge ruled that employers were obliged to make passes at female staff to ensure the survival of the human race.
 

By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
Last Updated: 1:12PM BST 30 Jul 2008

The unnamed executive, a 22-year-old from St Petersburg, had been hoping to become only the third woman in Russia's history to bring a successful sexual harassment action against a male employer.

She alleged she had been locked out of her office after she refused to have intimate relations with her 47-year-old boss.

"He always demanded that female workers signalled to him with their eyes that they desperately wanted to be laid on the boardroom table as soon as he gave the word," she earlier told the court. "I didn't realise at first that he wasn't speaking metaphorically."

The judge said he threw out the case not through lack of evidence but because the employer had acted gallantly rather than criminally.

"If we had no sexual harassment we would have no children," the judge ruled.

Since Soviet times, sexual harassment in Russia has become an accepted part of life in the office, work place and university lecture room.

According to a recent survey, 100 per cent of female professionals said they had been subjected to sexual harassment by their bosses, 32 per cent said they had had intercourse with them at least once and another seven per cent claimed to have been raped.

Eighty per cent of those who participated in the survey said they did not believe it possible to win promotion without engaging in sexual relations with their male superiors.

Women also report that it is common to be browbeaten into sex during job interviews, while female students regularly complain that university professors trade high marks for sexual favours.

Only two women have won sexual harassment cases since the collapse of the Soviet Union, one in 1993 and the other in 1997.

Human rights activists say that Russian women remain second-class citizens and are subjected to some of the highest levels of domestic abuse in the world.

Oh russia... having lived there and going into some businesses I can DEFINITELY see how sexual harrasment is prevalent, but I definitely didn't think ONE HUNDRED percent of women had it occur to them. Anyway, it's pretty common for russian women to wear some...questionable outfits to work such as mini skirts and heels. actually, if you walk down the street, nearly all women (including girls that are like 13 and older) are already all wearing heels and a lot of them dress really provocitively. on that note, fuck this I'm moving back!
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http://wsj.com/article/SB121564928060441097.html?mod=fpa_mostpop

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Creating viral videos and concepts has become a keystone for many businesses marketing online.

Such Web phenomena are known by technophiles as "memes." Coined by biologist Richard Dawkins in his 1976 book "The Selfish Gene," a meme is a unit of cultural information -- an idea, a practice, a phrase, or an online video --that's passed on virally. Although sometimes frivolous, every word-of-mouth marketer dreams of creating memorable memes that will catapult their product or client to fame.

Over the last few years, 4chan.org has become one of the most talked-about sites when it comes to launching new memes. After appearing on the site, "LOLcats," humorous images of cats with loud text beneath them in a fake language called "LOLspeak", stormed the Web last year. (For example, instead of saying "hello," the cats would say "oh hai.") Another phrase "So I herd u like mudkips," a reference to a sea creature from the popular animated show "Pokémon," spawned thousands of tribute videos on YouTube. 4chan.org began as a simple message board with pictures and text. It was started by Christopher Poole in his Long Island bedroom in 2003 when he was 15 years old. Since then it has grown to more than 3 million monthly users, according to Mr. Poole.

One of the site's most popular memes is an online bait-and-switch known as the "Rick Roll." Here's how it works: A friend sends an email suggesting you take a peek at an "amazing" online video and passes along the link. You follow the link, but instead of the video you expect, you've been sent to the music video of Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up," a hit song from 1988. Over the past year, Rick Rolling has become an online sensation, pushing Mr. Astley's video past 16 million views on YouTube.

4chan is a quaint throwback to the earliest Web pages that have since been eclipsed in the newest iterations of the Web. While other Web sites focus on flashy-social networking features and eye-catching advertisements, 4chan's design is archaic and the color scheme is two-tone. Each page on 4chan features photos and text. One user will post an image of something to start a discussion on one of the more than 40 different subject areas spanning origami and automobiles. Other users follow up with responses or requests for more images.

"It's like Craigslist -- hugely simple and highly useful," says David Weinberger, a fellow at Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet and Society. 4chan's utility is its ability to gather millions of people in conversation in a single place and create a "meme-rich" environment, says Mr. Weinberger.

Last September, Ben Huh and a team of investors purchased "I Can Has Cheezburger," a site that aggregated the "LOLcats." Mr. Huh hopes to turn the 4chan-generated tradition into a meme empire with several other related sites in the works. The site now has more than 2.5 million unique visitors a month, according to Mr. Huh, and a book based on the site is coming this fall for Gotham Books.

Mr. Poole originally just wanted a place to share his fascination with Japanese comics and television shows. He was a fan of the popular Japanese image Web site 2chan and wanted to create a version for American audiences. With his mother's approval, he used her credit card to purchase server space and started 4chan.org.

oon, running 4chan became a full-time job. He hired a programmer (based on his skill playing online Tetris) and recruited a team of active community members to serve as moderators. "It was a struggle to get him to turn off his computer," says Tom Poole, Mr. Poole's father, who says his son built a computer with a water-cooling system as a teen. "He's a bit obsessive."

A large part of the site's success is its emphasis on anonymity. Users are not required to provide a working email address or any other personal information, a standard practice for other online communities like Facebook or MySpace. Mr. Poole uses the codename "moot" and says that he's never revealed his connection to the site until The Wall Street Journal inquired. "I have a firewall between my two lives," he says.

Mr. Poole says that anonymity encourages unfettered creativity. But it also removes individual accountability as some posts can veer into hurtful or profane territories. "Shock posts," or graphic images of violence or sex, occasionally mar the largest general interest board known as " /b/ ." Mr. Poole has a disclaimer that he wrote so that users "don't post anything that violates U.S. or international law." He says a lawyer reviewed the notice, but concedes, "I'm sure they don't have much legal clout behind them."

"They get rowdy -- it's like a bar without alcohol," says Willard Ling, a moderator and long-time user of the site. "It's like that psychological concept of deinvidualization -- when groups of people become less aware of their own responsibility." Mr. Poole and his team of moderators have handed out 70,000 bans over the last three years, but preventing long-term abuse can be difficult.

4chan's "Wild West" reputation has created a dilemma for Mr. Poole. While it's brought him Internet fame, albeit through his alter ego, and created enviable traffic, he has trouble selling ads to more cautious companies who don't want their ads appearing next to potentially graphic content. He's attempted to quarantine sexual material on a set of adult boards, but that doesn't stop pornography or other adult content from appearing elsewhere.

Max Goldberg, owner of You're The Man Now Dog, a similar community with about 230,000 registered users and a focus on animated videos, says dealing with mature content is a problem for any site that allows its users creative license. "On the Web, you either have clean content or you have pornography. People upload both, but they don't want to buy pornography, because they can get it for free," says Mr. Goldberg. Even a small percentage of racy or blue content can ruin a site's image with advertisers, he says.

4chan's growing pains are part of a larger issue: how to turn a wave of online traffic into a viable business. "That's been an uphill battle for me personally. My biggest time spent has been convincing companies in marketing potential in 4chan but no one sees eye to eye," says Mr. Poole.

Part of 4chan's problem is counting how many users are on the site. Many advertisers look at third-party Web-measurement companies like comScore to determine a site's overall traffic and demographic information. Currently, comScore says 4chan only has around about 796,000 unique visitors a month globally, a more than threefold difference from 4chan's claims. ComScore says that it uses a Nielsen-like system to track Web traffic.

Mr. Poole says that comScore's demographic data is correct, but disagrees with their traffic data, arguing that panel-based data is flawed. "It's a generalization," he says of comScore's figures, "Our users are hard to pinpoint."

In contrast to other startups that have amassed millions of dollars in seed money from investors, 4chan is a modest operation. Mr. Poole makes money from advertising and the occasional donation drive. He says the site breaks even, but won't release the site's revenue figures. His only paid staff member is his programmer. "He makes more money than I do," says Mr. Poole.

oh God.  This is one of the few things I'd never have expected to pop up in the WSJ... It's pretty funny how they over glorify the GREAT INTERNET TEEN SUBCULTURE but not realize how completely awful it is. I can honestly see a bunch of businessmen logging on to 4chan and going "heh heh time to bring myself back to my youOH GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS".