You can't ignore it because it keeps coming back up over and over and over again and you dudes are being apologetic and letting her come in here and act like anyone that disagrees with her is a fucking mysogynist continuing mysogyny. That is a terrible argument. That just empowers her self-rightiousness and its really shit.

I'm pissed because that shows you don't think for yourselves anymore. I wasn't really threatening to leave I am. I just cannot get that point across. No one can get that point across. which is why everyone here thinks generally the same and theres nothing new being introduced to this place.

It doesn't just stretch to this subject its a whole fucking mindset a single niche you people are stuck to and just keep grooming over and over again. Ayn rand for example. Pretty much everyone here has discussed libertarianism or her several times before ron paul several times before. Its just an intellectual regurgitation. We've talked about feminism a hundred times before she suddenly "found the light" and decided to go on some annoying ass rampage to shit she finds offensive. Steel, jamie, and earl all talked about this stuff long before her and dada. Infact I debated with jamie too about it at some point and he also called me a mysogynist but didn't ever dismiss my perception as privlelge. Which is why I give half a fuck now I was much worse then. I also liked what mkk said even though I didn't agree with all of it because she didn't respond through defensive dismissal.

I don't care if I look like an asshole because there is absolutely no other way to get the point accross, you're unwilling to pay attention or to listen because I'm unapologetic and the only one willing to openly say shit about it. fuck.this.place.

I don't care about the damn joke I wasn't even talking about MY posts in this stupid topic I'm talking about an attitude and a way of discussion

THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE:

Glad that oppression that fucks with my daily life is so much fun for you then!  Since it's just some abstract exercise for you and not something you have to live with at all...glad you can just play around with it and poke and prod for reactions with people because you have the privilege to not have to deal with any of this in any real way.

god damn you people are dense. defend myself from what? I don't care what you like or don't....at all. I already said I'll shy away from that kind of humor because of a prudish attitude around here. I'm not apologizing for shit. I didn't do shit. I don't care what you like or don't

Also as far as faith goes. yeah we're pretty terrible but I think thats mostly because for a very long time and still now in a way the only people that were encouraged or could afford to travel internationally for any kind of remotely positive purposes were fucking missionaries who didn't/don't give a shit about the cultures they're subjecting themselves to and trade food/healthcare for bibles and jesus talk. So after years and years and years of that shit conversion was bound to follow suit.

Also yeah crusades but I don't think they covered much ground in south america, japan, africa or china. Also the muslim faith is just as bad if not worse. I never realized a fuckload of india was muslim or indonesia is almost entirely muslim as well as east asia and alot of west asia now since immigration. I don't really pay much attention though except for what I've seen and barely even know much about the crusades. I met this dude from battam who was younger than me that was talking about his two wives and girlfriend + kids. We were joking with him about it, dude couldn't believe I wasn't married.

They should do more stuff like this though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy_Ships

I called about working on one of them but I didn't know it was entirely voluntary. I knew they had people work there for free as a sort of on the job training thing but I thought they still paid people with professional titles and I was really broke or I prolly still would have gone. Someone told me they do but officially they say they don't, I don't really care though I'd def do it for free.

If I ever get into enough wealth to where I can afford to do that for awhile then I plan on it as soon as I'm capable.

I wish they'd make the peacecorps more of a jobcorp thing too though. Where anyone could join instead of just college kids it kinds of limits itself alot that way I think.

I read some of that stuff. I'll get around to reading all of it. Anyway, I don't want a westernization of the world. Especially the religious influenced aspects of our culture. (I'm agnostic, and believe that all organized religions are pointless) I want a ceasing of nationalist attitudes that all countries seem to have. Our work shouldn't be parallel to each other, or be in competition, but should build off of each other. Maybe I'm being 'pie in the sky' but I think for instance, that more projects like the International Space Station should be attempted with out a "me too" attitude but a "we are advancing towards something as a species rather than a collection of states".

The only problem with the new space program (from what I see) is that its been turned into some kind of commercialized corporate run entity. Yeah they're pretty much the only ones that could afford to do it now but......corporations.......in space.

They're gonna be the first ones to put a mcdonalds on the moon or trade orange county chopper t-shirts to martians so they can completely rip off their tech. I read in some shitty peoples magazine while I was on watch about how theres atleast 8-10 different celebreties that have already bought their way to the moon in like 2012-2013 and I hope they're first to get sucked up in a tractor beam and dissected or burn up in atmosphere fuck all those people.
 
the only good thing about it is maybe if they colonize the moon or some shit in like 15 years I can get some more schoolin and get a job runnin a space ship instead. Its my pipedream right now..

I like the idea of the UN I wish they were given more power. I think it would be better if nations worked together to facilitate all international economic and military efforts through a reformed version of the UN that was totally democratic. Not that psuedo democratic shit either where the country with the most money gets to do what it wants or everyone else suffers but international reps straight vote. Every country indoctrined into the organization gives an equal amount of resources. Richer countries money, tech, or food. Poorer bodies or natural resources. Most importantly any countries that choose to ignore the UN's position as international mediator or facilitator and starts to do inexcusable shit gets bombed to fucking hell.

that way countries could keep their own cultural and political standards without oppressive western influence or rule and eastern third worlders could get a fair chance at trade, industrialization, and conflict resolution without having to resort to complete insanity.

Also read WWZ its a really really good book. Zombie fetish shit aside it covers alot of past and present international relations, economical, and cultural problems and uses the medium as a kind of THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACTUALLY FIX ALOT OF SHIT which is honestly really convincing. I'm still kind of awestruck at how that dude covered all of those different points in such detail and from what I understand pretty damn accurately.
 
 
also I'm reading 1984 and animal farm and they're both awesome. I really like 1984 though. Its kind of gotten me to shy away from that neo-com theory that dietcoke and ryan were talkin about. I mean the idea is pretty admirable but people need to go buy their stupid shit, to think they're government doesn't have as much influence as it does or would, to think that they could one day be running industry in some manner and not some super regulated government outfit (which is alot harder to get into I think).
 
I dunno though I don't really pay much attention to specific ideologies either. I like the idea of government regulated business in the form of enforcing fair trade, education, health care, and transport. Like giving people the means and just sitting back and letting them do their own shit for better or worse.

topic wasn't about gender equality it was about a mysogynistic book lots of women are reading, the jokes were highlighting the mysogyny in the book via self inflicted mysogyny. The gender equality started later on because of said joke I'm assuming.

which honestly I should have realized that people here don't appreciate that kind of humor or any kind of humor you have to look at sidelonged. its a rigid self-denying way of looking at things and makes you a prude in my opinion but whatever.
 

Every time I'd die and reload I'd curse (sometimes loudly, sometimes under my breath) and he would be tapping on my shoulder or tell me I'm being offensive or something.

this pretty much. its this in a higher form.
 
vell was talking about anti bullying legislation against kids and some kind of law to make transexuals legally respected. I understand the latter for businesses, like an official stance. But on an individual level that does the complete opposite of what you want. It alienates the people you're trying to educate and they are less willing to listen and actually start to hate you because they see you as threatening.
 
Once you make these laws or these grand gestures, you can't go back. You change society into some kind of verbal no man's land. It doesn't matter what your intent is because then that notion you just pushed forward is up for any and everyone to manipulate. You can't tell a cop to "fuck off" in the states because then they can charge you with assault and thats a hefty sentence to deal with too. You can't even use foul language to express yourself in public without taking the risk of getting charged for that too.
 
Its just insane, its completely insane. any kind of censorship enables even more. I'd much rather be able to curse someone out for being disrespectful or argue with them and deal with it on a more personal level (if its necessary) than any sort of censorship.
 
I would vote for any law that enables any white man to go out in the street and say "nigger" all he wants but also protects against the persecution of the physical violence to follow suit. A broken jaw or blackened eye doesn't last nearly as long as a life long criminal record on the system for some arbitrary bullshit which the violater is likely to realize the error or his ways on his own without some kind of legal recourse.
 
This demand for change of mind is way less efficient than coaxing people to change their minds by leading by example and personal gestures and not some thought police, language police bullshit.

I mean if you were making jokes about black people, and some guy came in and said "hey, that's really racist, could you please stop doing that?", would you also call it censorship? Or telling you to stop using the word "nigger"? That's not censorship, it's a request for basic empathy. Some people don't like it when you use that kind of language. It's the same with those jokes you made earlier. Yeah, we get that they're jokes. That's not the point. If someone is offended by them, then the right thing to do is evaluate the claim and decide either to do something or to refuse.

I don't get why you're getting so upset by any of this, all of this seems fairly normal to me.

This isn't a one on one discussion. If I'm talking to someone individually and they don't like something then I'd be more than willing to shut up. If I'm talking publically and someone doesn't like something its not their right to tell me to watch my mouth because they don't like it. A) I don't care or I wouldn't speak freely at all B) it is censorship

do you write every rap artist telling him your upset that he uses mysogonistic words in his work or every dumbass comedian that calls women ho's. No you don't this is a childish approach to something controvercial. Its selfish as hell and like I said, egomaniacal. Thinking every person you don't know or aren't personally speaking to should watch their language around you limits language and expression.

If you start to do this then there is absolutely no ground for free expression, anyone can walk in and tell you to shut the fuck up. You're athiest? keep your citicisms of religion to yourself. You don't like how alot of black culture is completely self-destructive? You're not black stop talking.

Also yes, I do make black jokes but I only do it to black people and in a way that I am endearing myself to them. I do the same thing with latinos sometimes but in a friendly jousting manner. It removes alot of tension and makes open discussion much more easier and unoffensive.
 
Inris not the same. He wasn't trying to articulate anything he was just being racist. And to deal with that is to not even aknowledge what he's saying because he's racist not to sit there and overanalyze his stupid bullshit you're falling right into step that way.

That is the point I'm trying to make. you two are doing nothing but promoting tension with these worldviews and overt sensitivity to language. you have to find concepts offensive not language or you're just another tight ass that absolutely no one cares to listen to.

That doesn't mean you "don't matter" if you don't fall in a particular category, but it does mean you're not a primary authority.

people don't "fall into categories". almost every girl I personally know at home is a consistant victim of mysogyny and they don't even realize it. I'm not talking about both of your concept of societal oppression which makes women victims either I'm talking about real physical fucking mysogyny from real mysogynist men. Its not even because they don't have an access to the information they just do not care. Yeah they get they're being mistreated on some base level but they don't pursue it because of the relationships said shit is involved with. You can sit there and tell them they're being mistreated or tell the dude he's doing it but certain people don't give a shit. they just don't care.

this goddamn book is a form of mysogyny but older women everywhere are still reading it. they don't know what they're reading and if you sat there and told them what it was pretty much all of them would probably still read it.

That shit is absolutely horrible but when you assume shit like "certain people are a victim of psychological conditioning from birth and as a product of which, they are capable of doing horrible things to themselves. They can't help it and its not your right to point that out or claim to have some sort of insight on it when you can see it and they can't."

that is horrible. you aren't putting any faith in those peoples individuality or preserverance and you're making general assumptions.

I never claimed to be an authority on shit. I don't care enough. I don't study it but if I don't agree with someone who thinks they are an authority I'm going to say when I think they're full of shit and being oppressive with their sensitivity.

and you spent like 20 pages having a good, proper discussion with vellfire in another topic. so don't tell me people don't have a proper attitude around here. I really think you just don't like being disagreed with

don't tell me you're talking about the one where I got called an idiot for not giving a shit about some pre-written arguments about a white males viewpoints and devolved into a woman blowing two mens heads off because HEH THATS EFFECTIVELY THE SAME THING AS AN IRONIC JOKE

She sat here and fucking goaded me into an argument. couldn't even ignore something that wasn't personally directed at her but when you tell me because of my gender and skin color I don't fucking matter I'm supposed to just deal with that? Anyone else is just supposed to accept that?

I honestly do not give a damn what anyone thinks to the point of getting upset. its the terrible censorship attitude around here that defeats the very purpose of this place and more and more people tailing you two because it just makes "so much more sense when you want to tell people what they should and shouldn't say" with you're humorless and void well to do way of looking at the world

its fuckin boring

This discussion in any form is just going to devolve into both your egos and I really don't want to watch it anymore. If you can't atleast delete any posts that are going to end up in this same manner than I'm serious delete my damn account I fuckin hate this place now.
 
Delete my fuckin jokes delete her fucking egomaniacal self gratification delete it all its all fucking garbage I don't care.

Also ban my account so can't come back here too. I'd honestly rather spend more of my time around dumbass people they're much easier to get along with.

stupid misogynistic jokes to punish women for being so stupid to buy that book

I'm going to make fun of sheeple for doing stupid shit I don't care what gender they are what color they are what sex they have a preference to

If I have to sit there and say mysogynist ass shit to get someone to realize something is mysogynist I'll damn well do it. btw an older woman who was reading the book thought they were funny as shit but that doesn't matter because she's a brainwashed product of an oppresive society says some condescending bullshit you found on the internet

nah dude its not got shit to do about heat. this place has been mostly feminist for a very long time. which I honestly didn't ever have a problem with and pretty much gained knowledge from.

like I said you're boring as hell, you suck the life out of this place. your attitude is detrimental to any kind of discussion about this shit and if theres any kind of discussion about women at all you swarm all over it with your oppressive way of presenting your opinions. any other viewpoint is "destructive towards women" and they don't give fuckall in your eyes because you don't see eye to eye. how many different people have you done this to? four now? five?


Yeah I'm probably gonna leave for awhile. Its not because I'm upset or got upset I'm just tired of this shit. Theres pretty much nothing to gain from this place anymore. No more discussion. no more new media to talk about. Very rarely is there even more media from anyone here. If you actually got any new people to come here you'd just run them off with shit like this.

Just gonna keep truckin' on and hatin women fuck I might start a he man woman hatin club cus I'm such a mysogynist pig

have fun btw talking to vell when you two are the only ones left in this place

yeah I haven't read it but I posted a youtube to a comedy skit with gilbert godfrey reading parts of it aloud like an audiobook and it was absolutely hilarious. The writing itself is pretty hilarious but he makes it so much better.

Thats the only thing with gilbert godfrey I've ever actually liked. Whoever decided to use him to do that is brilliant.

CLIT-OR-IOUS

Calling someone a bitch and saying the word aren't the same. You'd realistically go out on the street and hear some dude call his gf that, you might say something you might not. But I can bet you not a soul on here would say fuck all to a dude using it in emphasis or a woman using it towards another woman or in emphasis.

Its not right. Its shitty. People do it. Language has turned a derogatory word in to commonplace description. Thats what its become though, for decades. I'm not saying its not anyones right to say it sucks and hope someone listens but if they don't give a shit or think different what do you do? keep going like anyone else would. Cus you can't change the world no matter how much you want to. Or you can just keep pissing into the wind until its all over you, everyone else and you run flat out of piss.

a) raising awareness for something is wrong and

not one person here lacks awareness of mysogyny. They are perfectly aware of it and she's railing on that shit to the point of unhealthy obsession. Complete condemnation and defensiveness of petty word usage and concepts of gender. It is really really really really annoying. regardless of who in the hell is saying it female or male (oh shit I did just do that). Its annoying in the first place and the fact that she uses her womanhood to devalue the opinions of others and persistantly force condescending arguments on everyone else because they've got a penis and they're priveledged is even worse. Its fucking terrible. I cannot understand how A) you people can sit here and accept her saying that shit and B) go along with it and propel her arguments.

Fuck if you want to sit on the internet and do that shit then go to an all women forum where you can actually talk to people who can argue with you. Here, you're just trying to provoke people into an argument where you can act shitty to anyone who disagrees. I sat here and tried to ignore your bullshit while you kept trying to goad me into an argument.

b) that we should be forever ignorant

No one on here is ignorant. Saying that is shitty. Fuck, the fact that just about if not everyone on here displays a base amount of concern and knowledge about the issue itself shows otherwise.

the index calling the ringfinger an asshole is detrimental to what actually even matters, what they're both pointing at.

c)that we cant change people through education

If you want to educate someone you have to A) realize if that person is even willing to learn and B) talk to them on a relatable level. Saying THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD THINK BECAUSE ANY OTHER WAY IS IMMORAL AND WHAT YOU THINK DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE YOU GOT IT EASY doesn't do jack shit but get you completely ignored and despised.

d) that its just physical not about behavior.

I'd fucking love if everyone got along just dandy and didn't treat each other like shit but its a part of life. Animals do it, people do it, fuck even plants do it. Bigger tree sucks the sun from the smaller one. Of course an enlightened person can learn to change that train of thought and pursue different behavior but you telling them to won't make that happen. Its something they have to realize for themselves.

Personal preservation, independance, and resiliance are some of the most important human traits. By demanding society conform to what you personally want. By commanding people to change because you don't like it. That shit wears those things away, it devalues them, and people are far less likely to realize them.

Its kind of the same vein of thinking as public smoking, loud noises, stupid thoughts and expression are a form of pollution. If you want to change all these things, change all these people. Whats public anymore? Wheres your freedom? How do you learn to realize what you should and shouldn't expose yourself to? Its no ones right to clean those things up for you.

To me thats just as bad as the fundamentalist right wanting to constrict the actions of homosexuals or make kids pray in schools or tell women what they can or can't do to their bodies. Its the other side of the same damn coin. If you want your right to do certain shit you have to respect the other viewpoint. Even if its dumb.

And I'm going between saying trying to change people that don't want to be changed is wrong and flooding this forum in feminist pre-conceptions and personal vendettas with closed ears is wrong. I know it. They're pretty much unrelated.

It goes back to intent. This is a place for education and understanding right? Then if you want to actually talk to people then you've got to make an effort to understand their intent. Fuck if I'm not gonna use every single word I can find to express what I think or wanna say. If you don't like it, then ignore it. Kaworu didn't call anyone a cunt but himself. He used the damn word. Oh fuck if it ain't my right to say that I don't care. By railing on that stuff you're limiting language and expression if you really want genders to not matter then the best way to deal with that shit is to understand its how people speak not what they say or who is saying it.
 
"You can't know what people intend" is a bullshit argument too. Thats the very first element of language and the whole reason said shit exists. If someone says something and you don't know what it means then ask them to clarify but I'm PRETTY SURE everyone here is more than capable of that and this language policing goddamn net crusader shit is awful, draining, and incredibly boring.

I'm done with this place though, atleast for awhile.

Its dead here. Its boring. No one has anything interesting to say anymore or to talk about or to discuss. Its this constant cycle of intellectual persecution and belittlement. If its not that its stupid ass obscure early 90s pixelated images or some mundane bullshit. All the people that brought flavor to this place are gone and the only thing left is your insulting ass rhetoric. None of you think for yourselves anymore. No more personal opinions. You're all the same goddamn person and anyone else is terrible. Its disgusting.

bye bye and yeah good riddance for me you get to sit here and keep on with this shit to whomever forgets why this place sucks ass now and decides to comeback for a very brief stint.

You cannot effectively change the way people think. I definitely do not want to be pulled into this black hole of an argument again where everything I say makes me a "terrible piece of shit".

That argument you keep railing at. that desire to change peoples concepts of male and female and how people present themselves about it, you can't change that. Somebody compared activism in the civil rights movement to your arguments. They're not the same. You want to change a perception, the civil rights movement wanted to change action. The fact that a people were physically (PHYSICALLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART) being segregated and divided, forced to be treated like animals by legislation and law enforcement.

Thats not the same as your argument. You want to phase out hurtful words and concepts. This can't and won't happen. Maybe you don't see this shit, maybe thats the problem and I'm probably wasting my fucking time again because I hate this goddamn argument. you people are just as terrible as any fundamentalists or racists with your pre-concieved notions of who is priviledged and who isn't. That is a goddamn defense mechinism argument and it only belittles the person your speaking to and invalidates their arguments. Its petty as shit and if you wanna talk about childish, that is fucking childish

Racism still hasn't stopped and it won't. The FCC and most lawmakers have pretty much stopped most blatant forms of it being presented in media and in the workplace. But every single ignorant piece of shit will still go home mutter and sling the word "nigger" and lace their "new world" politics with hidden racism. Because thats what they are and they choose to not give a fuck. That is their right.

You cannot change that. You can have it where they're fined or locked up or ostracized but if they want to hate you or say stupid shit, they're gonna do it. Fuck, you can make it hard as hell to where the only time they can voice that terrible shit is in their dreams but the minute they get the chance. The minute they can find a way to validate their arguments or catch you alone where no one is going to hear it and protect you from it, its going to come out. And guess what? You'll be weaker then.

Because you got what you wanted, mysogyny is over. There is no black and white, no men or women, no rich or poor everyones perfectly equal and the same. You get to live that boring ass sheltered life with no "bitches" or "cunts" or "dicks" or "faggots". Shit you won't know hatred, you won't know how to defend yourself from it or how to react responsibly to it. And when you hear that shit again, when those fucked up pieces of shit get to come back out (because they will eventually thats a part of who we are) you REALLY won't know what to do again and it WILL fuck you up. If not you then your children because just like your generation is dealing with right now they will be far weaker they will not know how to deal with terrible ass things and terrible ass people when the time comes because you got what you wanted.

Go ahead and use this as an argument for mysogyny or tell me what the fuck you think I am. I honestly don't give a shit. You have absolutely no right to tell anyone what they think. You have absolutely no right to call someone something like that when you don't know them. You're weak. I sit here and watch you pick out words and fucking cry about it and argue about it. I'm damn sure you don't do that shit in real life. I'm damn sure you sit there every day with your mouth shut and you don't say shit because you're afraid people will gang up on you and tell you how ignorant and terrible you are just like you're doing right now.

Being a woman doesn't give you fuck all right to act like that. You're just spreading some kind of miltant nuetral gender perception of identity which is counteractive to human existance. Its fucking robotic. Its anti-emotional. Its plastic. Don't muddle my opinions with disdain for shit either because you don't fucking know me.

is this psyburn?

People were talking about this book at work yesterday, and it sounds gross. Not gross as in OOOH PERVERTED, but in that it's drivel. Misoginistic rape fantasies, no storyline, badly written. Continuing the downfall of literature promoted by such shite as RICHARD AND JUDY BOOK CLUB and stuff.

The state of florida banned it from public libraries because of "sexual content" and not the abhorrant mysogyny. Which is worse than just leaving it in libraries I think.

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA

I think a large reason that this is selling so well is because people are hearing how offensive it is and they have the mentality of "Can it really be this bad? Must investigate further." A shitty reason to buy a book yes, but I can understand it.

Yeah but why aren't men buying it?

This thing has a definite user base and its pretty much exclusively catering to them and them only. I don't think its the same as rotten.com in literature format because fantasizing about submission is some kind of psychological shit. Also its masked in romance. Which I thinks the main reason its spreading so quickly.

From looking at it that way then maybe you could explain why alot of people read "A Child Called It". I mean the general populace and not people that would read into it for psychological purposes.

It does look alot like gorillaz, this is really good.

Its because WOMEN are buying it and flocking to it. They're the only ones buying it too! Its pretty much the most gross and perverted romance scenario you could possibly come up with. These aren't just mostly young girls like in the case of twilight either, these are grown ass (mostly married) women.

Its not like pornography, movies, or other literary media where the shits put in there inside of the story to somehow make some terrible point. From what I understand the point here being made is that being submissive is ok and actually hot.

That is some real fucked up shit dude.

also

Yeah thanks, that really helps.

The point behind the jokes if you didn't get it is to be as mysogonistic as hell to kind of point out why that shit is fucked up. Oprah being a current leader to women everywhere feeding into this garbage in some sadistic manner, oj simpson being an object of desire, married men everywhere being dumped because of not conforming to the garbage.

Sometimes you gotta point out some terrible shit to get some folks to see why shits terrible.
 
Because, I guess if you're a woman and all your friends started picking up this crap because it had something to do with twilight and yeah it gets pretty disgusting and you personally admit that but still read it because its got some romantacism copycatted from twilight. Maybe you could read the whole thing and not be clever enough to get why its so absolutely abhorrant?