it was meant to be aggressive. there's not much time left before i finish my masters thesis (too little time), i'm a trained counsellor and i'm qualified to administer and interpret quite a range of psychometrics. i know about skinner and theories of the mind, what i wanted was more what your most recent post contained, but perhaps with some personal reflection (would you?).

most (and especially the APAs) ethical codes for psychology are based around clinical work, and the exploitation refers more to personal gain (sex, money, or things) rather than exploitation of position (psychiatry). for instance, if you were doing consulting work as an I/O psych in an organisation your friend worked in, putting to use research to make employees feel more satisfied etc., what are the ethics of that?

i thought it was horrible stuff but a lot of people seem to expect everyone to do this to some degree. they only object on the grounds of being a smug dickhole (eg ryan and earlchip)

Naturally, the APA ethics apply to the three fields of psychology you can obtain a practice credential (school psych, clin psych, and counseling psych).  Nevertheless, APA has several divisions likely including I/O psychs and the ethical standards are up for interpretation.  So long as you're not practicing beyond your competence.  A counselor consulting as an industrial/organizational psychologist would be practicing outside of their boundary of competence.  If you want to do that type of consultation, I would think you'd have to complete a program in industrial/organizational psych.  again from the APA website,

2.01 Boundaries of Competence
(a) Psychologists provide services, teach, and conduct research with populations and in areas only within the boundaries of their competence, based on their education, training, supervised experience, consultation, study, or professional experience.

But if you have the training, these would likely apply:

3.05 Multiple Relationships
(a) A multiple relationship occurs when a psychologist is in a professional role with a person and (1) at the same time is in another role with the same person, (2) at the same time is in a relationship with a person closely associated with or related to the person with whom the psychologist has the professional relationship, or (3) promises to enter into another relationship in the future with the person or a person closely associated with or related to the person.

A psychologist refrains from entering into a multiple relationship if the multiple relationship could reasonably be expected to impair the psychologist's objectivity, competence, or effectiveness in performing his or her functions as a psychologist, or otherwise risks exploitation or harm to the person with whom the professional relationship exists.

Multiple relationships that would not reasonably be expected to cause impairment or risk exploitation or harm are not unethical.

(b) If a psychologist finds that, due to unforeseen factors, a potentially harmful multiple relationship has arisen, the psychologist takes reasonable steps to resolve it with due regard for the best interests of the affected person and maximal compliance with the Ethics Code.

So as it says, if it will impair your objectivity, competence, or effectiveness, if it will cause impairment or risk exploitation, and will likely do harm, refrain from doing it.  Consultation is an indirect service.  It probably wouldn't be necessary to have a professional relationship with that friend.  I would also think it depends on other factors as well.  If you live in a small town and everyone knows everyone, it may be unavoidable to do that.  Above all, do no harm. 

no.

skinner and behaviourism aren't anti-mind, they conclude that it's simply not that useful to incorporate into theory. and of course they're wrong, as the popularity of CBT shows. behaviourism is powerful but tautological without (at least) a layer of subjectivity. how is behaviour reinforced? by reinforcers. what's a reinforcer? something that reinforces a behaviour. also you didn't really address the topic too much; it'd be ok to analyse people if you knew what you were doing, but if you didn't it'd be unethical? 

thanks for trying to teach me psychology though.

my interpretation of that:  Defensive. 

If you're not a professional, then you have no ethical issues to worry about.  The ethics police don't knock on the door of undergraduates or at least not that I'm aware of.  Since you said you study psychology and were asking a question regarding ethics and psychology, I tried to answer your question.  Or do you just ask questions and get defensive when people try to help you with the answer?  I was simply trying to help you out, but I'm not so sure you're really looking for the answer. 

If you truly are looking for the answer, the following link should be of some use, it is the APA ethical principles of psychologists and code of conduct.  You can also look up the American counseling association if you are looking to become a counselor. 

http://www.apa.org/ethics/code/index.aspx

But i think I can help you out as well personally.  IF you were a psychologist or not, you wouldn't want to read your friends and family.  You could get information about them that you may not want to know and that is private to them.  That's less than ideal.  If you do, your relationships could potentially suffer.  You're not your friend or family's counselor or psychologist. 

Here's a couple of standards to get you started that are from the APA website:

9.07 Assessment by Unqualified Persons- Psychologists do not promote the use of psychological assessment techniques by unqualified persons, except when such use is conducted for training purposes with appropriate supervision.

3.06 Conflict of Interest
Psychologists refrain from taking on a professional role when personal, scientific, professional, legal, financial, or other interests or relationships could reasonably be expected to (1) impair their objectivity, competence, or effectiveness in performing their functions as psychologists or (2) expose the person or organization with whom the professional relationship exists to harm or exploitation.

3.08 Exploitative Relationships
Psychologists do not exploit persons over whom they have supervisory, evaluative, or other authority such as clients/patients, students, supervisees, research participants, and employees.

It's hard to "turn it off" when you get out of work.  If you're having trouble turning it off, you really need to work on it.  You may begin to not like the fact that you see things about people that generally would help you as a psychologist but not as a person.  I hope that helped.  There's a lot of gray area, there's never a correct answer when it comes to these kinds of questions.

you can approach it like you would any other science; come up with a hypothesis and test it, looking for information that both proves and (potentially) disproves your 'interpretation'

also i don't know why you felt the need to distinguish ethics and morality.

well because there were a few that were using the two interchangeably.  Something can be moral but not ethical.  I thought it was worth mentioning.  As for the first part, you can approach it like a science, but if you neither have the competence or training it can be moral yet not ethical.  Also, science is objective, yet reading people involves a lot of subjective interpretation.  If you're a certified applied behavior analyst, you're trained to explain, control, and predict behavior objectively.  If not you're involving a subjective interpretation of a behavior.  In that case, you need to be aware of your biases and how to minimize those biases.  I doubt you're going around graphing everyone's behavior in a systematic way, but it would be funny if you did.  And if you believed in objective behavior analysis, you would not believe in a mind.  Read skinner's can psychology be a science of the mind? I think you'd like it.

Most of the "reading" you're talking about involves a lot of error.  This is the ethical question of reading people.  When you do it, do you realize your own personal bias in your interpretation of their behavior?  Projection works both ways.  When people say things about others, they often project (some people do it more than others).  If you're ever done projective personality testing you'd know what i'm talking about. 

Second, do you always look for negative attributes and fail to interpret the behaviors that could be seen as positive assets?  People do this too much.

Third, does the person remind you of someone else (do a similar behavior as someone else) yet you interpret their behavior in the same way.  People engage in the same behavior for different reasons.

and.. ethics are not the same as morals.

I think he was just displaying it in game to show what was happening.

In Paint Shop Pro, there is a decrease color depth option for 256 colors.  select optimized ocree to start, but there are 3 options when you decrease the color depth so that it will fade well. 

I hear him saying that he has no interest in being a coder or learning a new skill, that he has invested enough time to be knowledgeable enough about rm2k3 to make systems that could be useful for someone wanting to make a game in this program.  Also, that he enjoys doing so, wants to be able to be a part of a creation, instead of a 100 scrapped projects. 

What I find odd and interesting is that people will take the opportunity to put someone down for not being among some mythical programming elite club that also has title protection on the term 'programming' and feels that their livelihood is somehow being diminished by someone using rm2k3 calling it programming.  Why be so defensive if you know what you are capable of? What bearing does it have on you?

What I'd say is unfortunate Paul2k3, is that most people are probably like you, enjoy tinkering around with making cool things and never seeing the production to its end.  This is why I feel you don't have any biters.  The people you are targeting are either people like you, or people that see rm2k3 as a feeble gaming tool for the feeble minded. 

So, is this the latest version of Spirebattle then?
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZXVSUSS8

Because when I uploaded this copy for someone awhile back, they replied that it was a "demo" and not "the complete version"

EDIT--
It was Grin Tree who made that claim:
http://gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=7766.msg1300627#msg1300627

Yes, I never finished Spirebattle.  That version is likely an old copy of the unfinished work.  The wierd news is that I still work on it from time to time, I've actually added several new areas, reformulated the story, and even a new playable character that wields a different weapon.  The sad truth is, graduate school gives me no time to accomplish the task I had set out to do well... 7 years ago.  Nevertheless, I have the latest version of the game and I actually might finish it sometime.

Baseball is a threat that much be dealth with immediately! Burn all bats! Throw all the players into a bottomless pit! Turn the stadiums into churches!

From my view, baseball stadiums are already churches.

Twins rock, Twins and Tampa Bay are the best teams in baseball this year. I'm a Twinkies fan so that's my bias, but even without Nathan they've been dominating. They're also one of the few teams that do it right.  I'm also from New Britain, CT home of the rock cats double -A affiliate of the Twins.

Punto is underrated.

flip the pillow over to get to the cold side

Wow your old i hardly remember you.

Health care reform isn't a disaster, the AMA fully supports it. Some far-left liberals are fuming because it doesn't have the public option. Obama was 1 person away from getting it done, but like he said, it has almost every measure he campaigned for, except the public option. It'll do a lot of good, just watch.

What's up dude, in the U.S. there are no far left liberals in the senate or in the house.  or in the presidents office.  Obama is a few shades darker than bush, and only two steps to the left.  Other than that, ur ok.

"That's good Snake."  "Hurt me MOOOOREE."

the fist fight with gray fox in MGS1.

The other would have to be the mantis ant in secret of mana.  It was the beginning of the end for me.

i dont have time to argue with you.   Clearly you're the smartest man in the world.  It would take me years to think on your level.

set me straight.  So Gaming World won't make an rpgmaker database because a database can be found at RMN?  And Gaming World posts games on the mainsite that are taken from main site posts at other indie gaming sites.  So then what is the point of Gaming World? 

Seems like people should either go to RMN or go to tigsource or other indie gaming sites that post non-rpg-maker games.

Interesting crap you're all regurgitating, if this goes on long enough, you'll clog the toilet.  But then again, if you dont vomit it up, it'll come out of your butt and will end up crap anyways.  

Rpg maker sucks because of Lucid Awakening.

the SNES sucks because of Shaq Fu. Essentially, SNES was wayy worse than sega genesis because sega had Sonic the Hedgehog.. and the SNES had Shaq fu.  Seriously what a crappy system.  probably the worst of all time.. and so outdated.

What's really awesome now is indie games for the iphone.  Then we can play them while we're in class or at work so we can become mindless idiots.  love indie iphone games.

I say if you are pretty sure you love this and want to do it until your old and gray, then you should become an expert on it.  you'll have a better knowledge base than someone that has been working for two years and have a BS.  I'm in grad school now.  Though it's for school psychology.  Little different story, but if you enjoy it that much, I say go for it.  And it's not like you have to do this for the rest of your life, say if you grow tired of it.  There will always be options for you later in life.

i don't see how this would piss her off at all though really. like even if you were right, would you expect her to break down or simply say "oh nice spotting, i'll change that for you. 76%." or she could remove the mark from everyone to be fair, or award it to everyone although i'm sure no-one else got it wrong. 

You're assuming there were 100 questions.

What if there were 4 questions?  Then he would get a 100%.  Besides, narcotics lead to addiction.  If the USA had no narcotics, people wouldn't be addicted to them, am I right, am I right, am I right, am I right?  Use your head man.  What a stupid question, shame on your teachers for feeding you such crap.

Awww come on, you mean you don't want to hear about the bejeweled clones for the iphone?  I think people have made it clear there will be no attempt to make an rm game database.  According to the people that don't make rpg maker games anymore, nobody makes rpgmaker games.

Haha good one bub, I laughed.  Maybe next time you can contribute something useful.  But I guess I should remove that sig since it's old.

@ bick, I get what you're saying, so if you aren't coordinated when trying to cut a tree down, you can risk serious bodily injury with the chainsaw but with the manual saw you'll be just fine.  Right?