i just wrote this:
Evolution says nothing about "all fossils". All it explains is how genetic material can change with successive generations.
Here's a better analogy. Fact: Woody Guthrie makes folk music. Theory: Woody Guthrie is a folk musician.
How does one disprove this theory? All you need to do is find one jazz song by Woody Guthrie, as then he will become a "jazz and folk musician". However, every single "lost recording" or bootleg that has been found was in fact folk music. Does this mean we need to find every recording he ever made, or even obtain information about every song he's ever played even if it was not recorded, before we can validate the idea that he was a folk musician? All we need to do for it to be scientific is build a model with which we can reliably test and explain the observed facts.
Evolution is similar. Fact: species can change from one generation to the next. Theory: the ideas that describe the modern evolutionary synthesis form an account with which this fact can be accurately and reliably explained.
All the fossils we have found so far help further the case for evolution, but are not necessary for the theory to stand.
I don't have a lot of time right now so I'll elaborate and address your other points later.
to be valid logically you would have to! the argument for woody guthrie being a folk musician looks like this:
folk musicians only play folk music
woodie guthrie is a folk musician <because> we found a folk song by him
and we found a folk song by him
and we found a folk song by him
etc
therefore he only plays folk music
therefore he is a folk musician
this is the same as the mail room example,
all the mail here was sent last thursday <because> we found a letter sent last thursday
and we found a letter sent last thursday
and we found a letter sent last thursday
etc
therefore all the mail here was sent last thursday
this is what the logic of evolution looks like:
all species evolved from a common ancestor <because>
there are similarities and differences between animals <and> similarities and differences are genetically inherited.
support for this comes from finding organisms that are either similar or different, or in essence finding organisms.
this is what the logic of creationism looks like:
all life was created by god <because> without god there would be no life
support for this comes from finding organisms that are alive, or in essence finding organisms.
but even above such a base level theories BASED on evolution are largely unfalsifiable
man evolved to walk upright <because> it was advantageous to breeding, as men that couldn't walk upright didn't breed and therefore don't exist
this is why natural selection is a tautology, it's similar to saying woodie guthrie is a folk musician because he makes folk music. things that have survived survived because they could survive. this isn't useful as it's non-directionary. there's no way of saying what's more likely to survive until after it's happened, so it's post-hoc (haha?) and again not that useful.
the only way i see it put to use is to explain why differences and similarities are advantageous, which leads to disgusting things like why men rape and why we're afraid of black people. the idea of it has done cool things for computer science and mathematics though imo.
It's funny.
No matter how many next to perfect explanations you guys throw at him, he just comes back with some silly new argument in an attempt to convince himself he is right.
thanks for your two cents but i've been repeating myself since the beginning, and in case you didn't see the summary
here's the list of near perfect explanations (Click to reveal)-there isn't anything missing in evolution, evidence is just a piece of an already complete puzzle
-fossils are rare
-there will always be more things to find [that support evolution]
-evolution doesn't need evidence
-evolution has been around for a long time
-a lot of people believe in evolution
-other theories aren't as logical
-evolution doesn't need evidence
-you don't understand how science works
-you don't understand evolution
-you can't distinguish between a theory and what the theory supports?
-christianity supports worse things than evolution
-the bible isn't logical
-evolution isn't just a theory it's also a fact!
-you don't understand evolution
-evolutionary theory doesn't support racism because race differences can also be explained in terms of cultural differences
-you're gay
-evolution is an observation and a theory that explains the observation
-evolution is validated by the presence of animals
-evolution does have predictive value, bacteria in an experiment developed the ability to metabolise citrate.
-if you don't acknowledge microevolution you're insane
-not everyone that believes in evolution believes all biological differences are caused by evolution
-you don't understand evolution because you don't read
-hypothetical examples don't work because they're not real
-following scientists blindly is better than following a fairytale
-you don't understand evolution, all of your arguments against it are stereotypical
-you weren't reasoned into your criticisms
-you don't know about evolution
-you can't criticise the logic of evolution without knowing what evolution is arguing
-you don't understand evolution because you haven't read enough
-you can't criticise the logic of evolution without knowing basic science
-evolution sounds more accurate than creation
-you don't understand highschool biology
-evolution underscores modern day biology
circa yesterday.
seriously though he doesn't understand that science has to be falsifiable though. I zoned this topic out until I just accidentally clicked it but the dude doesn't know falsifiabilty. the core tenet of every scientific theory.
this is just a not very clever restating of the "IT'S JUST A THEORY" argument and I'd argue that by engaging it on any level you add legitimacy to it. sort of like how if I find some guy who believes we should all shove fruit in our ass in order to get our toxins out and then an actual scientist and pit them against each other, anyone watching thinks both have some degree of validity. adding verisimiltude to otherwise specious bullshit is not something you should enjoy doing!
luckily almost no one is reading this topic anymore and the few that are know climbtree loves to troll so!
You Gotta' Have Faith!
some 'guy' verses an 'actual scientist.' i don't understand that if it wasn't scientific then it wouldn't be accepted as scientific.
i don't know how you can trust science and scientists so much when you've been to university and met them. in regards to fruit:
The benefits of fruit suppositories:
Barnes, M. R. (1969). Clean colons without enemas.
The American Journal of Nursing, 69(10), 2128-2129.
Davis, P. F., & Loo, L. Y. (2005). Citrus fruit skin extract for angiogenesis promotion.
Southern Medical Journal, 63(2), 56-63.
The benefits of fruit juice enemas:
Habeeb, M. C., Kallstrom, M. D. (1976). Bowel program for institutionalized adults.
The American Journal of Nursing, 76(4). 606-608.
unless it was just a comment on my credentials vs dadas.
also 2 people is like a third of the forum now dude.