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I've been supporting organic food since the trend started. Mainly because I think it is a healthier alternative from modern farming, where pesticides and growth hormones are common place.

The thing is, recently there's evidence of 161 studies claiming that organic food has no real advantage in nutritional value in comparison of traditional farming.
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8174482.stm

Basically, yes, organic food has a slight advantage over traditional food, but it has no real effects in health at least in therms of nutrient density.

I would still advocate in favor of organic food. Even if there's no real difference in therms of nutrients, there is when talking about hormones, pesticides and genetically modified crops. But that's just me.

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key word: nutritional value.

This means I could eat an organic apple and a conventional apple and get the same vitamin C content.  But with the conventional apple my risk of getting cancer is increased.

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they report in their analysis that there are higher levels of beneficial nutrients in organic compared to non-organic foods.

Also not to mention the environmental effects of conventionally grown food to organically grown foods.
Last Edit: July 31, 2009, 03:11:20 am by Doktormartini
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I remember reading something a while back that said if all farms and food supplies in the world were converted to organic, it could sustain a population of 4 billion people.

Sounds great, until you realize Earth has 6.8 billion people.

Doktormartini, could you show me a peer-reviewed study that shows cancer is in any way caused by non-organic apples?
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But with the conventional apple my risk of getting cancer is increased.
lol here we go again

yes, eating a normal apple exposes you to a higher risk of mutagens and can eventually lead to uncontrolled growth of cells
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I remember reading something a while back that said if all farms and food supplies in the world were converted to organic, it could sustain a population of 4 billion people.

Sounds great, until you realize Earth has 6.8 billion people.

Doktormartini, could you show me a peer-reviewed study that shows cancer is in any way caused by non-organic apples?

The solution to that problem is stacking farms like this or just eating less
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I remember reading something a while back that said if all farms and food supplies in the world were converted to organic, it could sustain a population of 4 billion people.

Sounds great, until you realize Earth has 6.8 billion people.

Doktormartini, could you show me a peer-reviewed study that shows cancer is in any way caused by non-organic apples?
I never said caused I said it increases your chance
http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/pressreleases/AgricultureHealthStudy
http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20090715/pesticides-may-raise-alzheimers-risk
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9498903
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2006-releases/press06262006.html
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/index.htm#balance
http://pesticides.montana.edu/PcideProfiles/carcinogens.htm

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/parathio.html
Better example because Lindane is banned but Parathion isn't.
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ehhh iirc in In Defense of Food, Michael Pollan references a couple studies that demonstrate the nutritional quality of non-organic food has declined over the years, and in some cases greatly. Now, he could just BE WRONG, but I'll keep an open mind to both perspectives right now as this does interest me and is in conflict with a lot of what I've previously read.
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Even if there's no real difference in therms of nutrients, there is when talking about hormones, pesticides and genetically modified crops. But that's just me.Discuss.
Yes this is the shining beacon of higher thinking lacking in the article.
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In Defense of Food (and The Omnivore's Dilemma for that matter) are both great books :)
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no shit

NON-organic?? I'm better than that shit man, I'm a level 2 consumer
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Okay so we pay half as much for our apparently carcinogen filled apples. At least we will be able to afford cancer treatment!

Say dok, wouldn't all those artificial nutritional supplements vegans take cause all kinds of problems? I mean they're pills full of artificial man-made stuff. That shit's carcinogenic to the max, ain't it?

Just curious.

EDIT: Also, what about the fact that the USDA will still allow a lot of crap to be labelled as organic, despite still being sprayed with pesticides, etc.?
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Okay so we pay half as much for our apparently carcinogen filled apples. At least we will be able to afford cancer treatment!

Say dok, wouldn't all those artificial nutritional supplements vegans take cause all kinds of problems? I mean they're pills full of artificial man-made stuff. That shit's carcinogenic to the max, ain't it?

Just curious.

EDIT: Also, what about the fact that the USDA will still allow a lot of crap to be labelled as organic, despite still being sprayed with pesticides, etc.?
Not really depends what you take.  I take spirulina and chlorella which are just two types of algaes...they are all natural and everything in them is.  You can take supplements that have ingredients derived from all natural substances such as green superfood powders which are a bunch of vegetables, grains, grasses...etc ground up in a powder.  Or you can take multivitamins with ingredients that may have for example Calcium Carbonate as it's calcium source which calcium carbonate is a natural ingredient found in many things like rocks, animal shells, eggs shells...etc.

What artificial stuff are you talking about?  Multivitamins (or at least the one I used before) was only 'artificial' in that it was a bunch of vitamins/minerals from various sources compacted into a pill.
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Wait I remember a while ago there was a study that showed organic food could cause more health problems, because most organic farmers didn't treat there fertilizer right due to the larger farms required to grow organic.
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guys there's been a study published that nikes made by african slave children last just as long as those made by american adults
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Not really depends what you take.  I take spirulina and chlorella which are just two types of algaes...they are all natural and everything in them is.  You can take supplements that have ingredients derived from all natural substances such as green superfood powders which are a bunch of vegetables, grains, grasses...etc ground up in a powder.  Or you can take multivitamins with ingredients that may have for example Calcium Carbonate as it's calcium source which calcium carbonate is a natural ingredient found in many things like rocks, animal shells, eggs shells...etc.

What artificial stuff are you talking about?  Multivitamins (or at least the one I used before) was only 'artificial' in that it was a bunch of vitamins/minerals from various sources compacted into a pill.
Oh, I guess I figured the pills were artificially created vitamins and stuff (what with them being pills! I don't trust them pills.). Perhaps I was wrong...
But what about the USDA? You're being tricked by agricultural businesses into buying an 'organic' apple for 40 dollars when really they're growing them just like the non organic stuff!
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guys there's been a study published that nikes made by african slave children last just as long as those made by american adults

This probably doesn't happen in the developed world but a lot of people get cancer due to exposure to pesticides (because they're farmers not because they ate an apple) elsewhere in the world
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Oh, I guess I figured the pills were artificially created vitamins and stuff (what with them being pills! I don't trust them pills.). Perhaps I was wrong...
But what about the USDA? You're being tricked by agricultural businesses into buying an 'organic' apple for 40 dollars when really they're growing them just like the non organic stuff!
Sadly this is true, which sucks.  All the more reason to buy locally because you can actually go to the farms and see how they raise the food. 
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This probably doesn't happen in the developed world but a lot of people get cancer due to exposure to pesticides (because they're farmers not because they ate an apple) elsewhere in the world
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All the more reason to buy locally because you can actually go to the farms and see how they raise the food. 

Does someone really do that? They buy an apple at the local market or one in the supermarket labeled with "Support local production!". Then they ask the lady selling it where it was raised, take their bike (using a car would ruin the whole thing now wouldn't it?) and cycle 50km to the farm. Now they have to decide if they can trust the farmers word or if they have to keep coming back every saturday for a few weeks to check if they can spot some pesticide or pests. And what about when they get hungry from all the cycling and, already fed up with apples, buy a few carrots. Then to their great horror they hear the carrots were raised on another farm, 50km to the other direction. I don't know about you Dok, but Tour de France is enough for me.
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a lot of people go to local farms and orchards because it's really really cheap that way, while you're there you can probably see if they're fertilising their plants with WD40.
new zealand soil has no iodine or a few other important elements so i'm not sure relying entirely on local produce is the best idea for me. i don't get why you dorks are getting worked up over organic food though, this isn't MEAT IS MURDER stuff but no i like my cheese 40% plastic
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