Most of those women are white, if they're not white, they're usually very pale for their race.

We call those 'media friendlies' in the bizz.

Cause bashing someone online automaticly gets you e-rep rigth?

perhaps borderline childhish but ahhhahaha. soft spot, pal? bull's eye. boom boom boom.

I don't know about men, but women have a really narrow standard of beauty these days, that I don't think anyone falls into naturally. Think about how specific most women in the media are- usually 5'5"-5'7" (5'3"-5'5" if they're an actress), no body fat on their stomach, enormous breasts, long legs with no fat, tiny shoulders and ribs, oval shaped head, high cheek bones, and then very specific ranges for the size of nose, eyes, lips. Most of those women are white, if they're not white, they're usually very pale for their race.

A lot of times, I will be sitting with friends, and even after we've been working out and feel good about ourselves, as soon as someone like this comes on tv, it's automatic to feel like you're not "quite there yet" and you have to go back to the gym, watch what you're eating etc., because of the feeling that "well, if that's not beautiful, they wouldn't put it on TV." It's terrible when people think they can achieve the media's standards of beauty by dieting and exercise etc, when in reality, most people can't naturally achieve the look without getting surgery. So they push themselves, and eventually starve or have heart attacks. Three friends of mine have suffered from eating disorders and it's terrible, but the sick part is to see people cheering them on because they "look so good" when they're killing themselves.

That being said, I don't really support surgery, but if it were someone I knew, I would rather see them have the surgery than waste away by not eating.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I do know that the pressure on women is much higher about this issue than on men but yikes, i propably can never comprehend the world the women have live in.
semi-jokingly though, every time i see those high cheekboned hunks in hugo boss commercial on tv, i cringe.... but deep inside, i sigh..... sigh sigh not manly enough sigh....

i think being able to burp in front of my girlfriend is better than all of that. i don't like having a belly though but the fact i don't like it is the problem, not the belly.

allen hunter i think otomon was saying something about how much of a pussy you were somewhere on the forums....hm, i can't remember where. i think he said something like "allen hunter is a pussy-bitch who i am going to rape using his favourite nu-metal CDs like linkin park and then i am going to eat my cousin's underwear'. i think that was what he said, anyway.

Yes, what would I ever do without my fabulous Linkin Park CDs and other nu-metal stuff I like to listen to when I'm depressed and on my way to Hot Topic?

I don't know about men, but women have a really narrow standard of beauty these days, that I don't think anyone falls into naturally. Think about how specific most women in the media are- usually 5'5"-5'7" (5'3"-5'5" if they're an actress), no body fat on their stomach, enormous breasts, long legs with no fat, tiny shoulders and ribs, oval shaped head, high cheek bones, and then very specific ranges for the size of nose, eyes, lips. Most of those women are white, if they're not white, they're usually very pale for their race.

A lot of times, I will be sitting with friends, and even after we've been working out and feel good about ourselves, as soon as someone like this comes on tv, it's automatic to feel like you're not "quite there yet" and you have to go back to the gym, watch what you're eating etc., because of the feeling that "well, if that's not beautiful, they wouldn't put it on TV." It's terrible when people think they can achieve the media's standards of beauty by dieting and exercise etc, when in reality, most people can't naturally achieve the look without getting surgery. So they push themselves, and eventually starve or have heart attacks. Three friends of mine have suffered from eating disorders and it's terrible, but the sick part is to see people cheering them on because they "look so good" when they're killing themselves.

That being said, I don't really support surgery, but if it were someone I knew, I would rather see them have the surgery than waste away by not eating.

those standard of beauty women are generally really unattractive compared to reality and it sounds like a stupid REAL WOMEN thing to say but I am not even lying or trying to make anyone feel better at all. idk if it's their fault tho, they're airbrushed and often times they literally have their face rearranged in photoshop

Yeah I mean TV is one thing but if you look at magazines, they are INSANELY photoshopped (which is another reason why photoshop disasters is such a funny site).  Women in magazines don't have belly buttons or elbows anymore, check it out sometime.  I don't see how this is supposed to be so attractive, unless you're into androids I guess.

Yes, what would I ever do without my fabulous Linkin Park CDs and other nu-metal stuff I like to listen to when I'm depressed and on my way to Hot Topic?

its pretty hilarious how you think anyone other than internet dweebs give a shit about metal validity or nu metal anymore

yeah some of those adverts in mags are nearly anime in their lack of reality. Eyes stretched, noses pinched, lips fattened cheeks sanded down, jawline removed into resembling some kinda point, necks stretched by a couple of feet etc etc. I can't see how those're attractive, or how they're taken as the kinda ideal of beauty. It's almost jack skeleton interms of proportions.

Seriously, Talk to a trans person, they have body issues.

Dammit, fought Swordfish's Claska and barely lost D: (My brute is Monocricket)

I have some body issues, nothing I'm obsessive enough to be proactive about. Same issues with Cray actually, just feel very slim and wouldn't mind looking like some kind of fitness model.

The overall look of male-to-female transvestites sicken me down to my guts. Big hands, very noticeable Adam's apple (though they try to conceal it), and an unnatural-looking crotch. Still, I feel equally bad for them and also the real women when it comes to looking great.

My girlfriend doesn't give much of a toss about "perfect" beauty as displayed on anorexic models and other celebrities who glamorize eating disorders with photoshop touch-ups on their hi-quality-you-are-not-worthy-enough-to-look-like-this photos. Looks can be very deceiving, and that's the last thing I'd want, I care about personality and being in good health.

But if people care so much about improving their image, it's their problem, not mine. I'm lucky and happy to have a body that I'm proud of. I maybe am a little overweight (I'm 6 foot, no problem), but atleast it still says alot concerning the fact that 3/4 people here in America weigh over 250 lb. and are morbidly obese. Liposuction is also a pretty dangerous task that could be even fatal to the patient, I've heard. I'd never go for that shit even if I were to go back to when I was REALLY fat.

I forgot to say one more thing..

I understand how women can be quite stressed over image problems and other types of responsibilities, but coming from my perspective, but just letting them know that I'd still be their friend regardless of how they look. It's not the image that's the most important, it's how people give communications a chance and share experiences toward another. Not the kind of guy who only judges by beauty..

Insult this post all you want, I'm just being honest without being cliched.

The overall look of male-to-female transvestites sicken me down to my guts. Big hands, very noticeable Adam's apple (though they try to conceal it), and an unnatural-looking crotch. Still, I feel equally bad for them and also the real women when it comes to looking great.

you know there are places you can end up where you wouldn't know the girl you were with was actually a guy until you turned around to see her fucking you in the ass, right?

And don't give me that "drawn on eyebrows" and "adam's apple" bullshit either some of them ladyboys are fucking stealthy as shit

i hate it when girls always complain about themselves being fat when they are not fat at all. they are just not disgustingly skinny. this is the most annoying thing! especially when I make it clear that I think they look fine the way they are.

as for my own body image, well, I've become a lot more comfortable with it over the last couple of years. I'm pretty happy with what I got going for me. I'm not the most muscular man on the planet, but it doesn't really matter to me.

I don't know about men, but women have a really narrow standard of beauty these days, that I don't think anyone falls into naturally. Think about how specific most women in the media are- usually 5'5"-5'7" (5'3"-5'5" if they're an actress), no body fat on their stomach, enormous breasts, long legs with no fat, tiny shoulders and ribs, oval shaped head, high cheek bones, and then very specific ranges for the size of nose, eyes, lips. Most of those women are white, if they're not white, they're usually very pale for their race.

A lot of times, I will be sitting with friends, and even after we've been working out and feel good about ourselves, as soon as someone like this comes on tv, it's automatic to feel like you're not "quite there yet" and you have to go back to the gym, watch what you're eating etc., because of the feeling that "well, if that's not beautiful, they wouldn't put it on TV." It's terrible when people think they can achieve the media's standards of beauty by dieting and exercise etc, when in reality, most people can't naturally achieve the look without getting surgery. So they push themselves, and eventually starve or have heart attacks. Three friends of mine have suffered from eating disorders and it's terrible, but the sick part is to see people cheering them on because they "look so good" when they're killing themselves.

That being said, I don't really support surgery, but if it were someone I knew, I would rather see them have the surgery than waste away by not eating.

mm, well, having had eating disorders for 3 or 4 years now, i'd have to say that it's not really about losing weight or achieving the perfect body. often it starts that way, but it becomes a mental disorder when you stop caring about health, looks, or others' opinions, and it's more like an addiction to losing weight. it's about control. even when life is out of control, you can have this one aspect where, with a little will power and determination, everything goes the way you want. it's like you realize "wow! this is MY choice. i do what i want-- i decide not to eat, and i see the results of it. i can control this." eventually, it starts controlling YOU (in soviet russia). your weight gets dangerously low, and  you tell yourself "okay, i can just decide to eat. i will control this and make myself gain weight." but when you try, you feel sick. your body rejects the food. you feel disgusted with yourself. you can hear the voices in your head--why are you doing what others tell you? who cares if it's not healthy? this is your control, right? and it gets to be something that you can't control.

i've dealt with this for years, being in and out of recovery. i lost 25 lbs in the past few months, but my therapist has been encouraging me to go into recovery. it's tough, and i often feel like it's not really what i want... but i have to trust others now because i've realized that my own opinion is not always right. i mean, i have seen myself as fat when i was 70 lbs and 5 feet tall. bah, it's all so complicated. i wish i could stop feeling these things and just be comfortable with my body, but it is sooo hard to do that. >_<