using a soundfont is the same as using rips?
I never knew that you had to hire session-pixelers (one colour each) if you wanted to make custom graphics.

This is what people were doing in this topic:

"Rips are bad?  That's like saying [insert something that is nothing at all like the argument at hand]"

Rips are bad?  That's like saying they should be using c++!  Rips are bad?  That's like saying instruments are bad!

I like challenges. I'll make both of those analogies fit right now:

Making a game using only ripped graphics? That's like saying you should learn c++ coding by making software exclusively through cut/paste on other c++ software that just "happens" to be open source!

Making a game through using ripped graphics? That's like starting a band, but when they finally release a song nobody cares because it's a cover band!

Making a game through using ripped graphics? That's like starting a band, but when they finally release a song nobody cares because it's a cover band!

ahahaha this is the best analogy ever thank you

"using rips in yrou own game isl ike using a color in painting that someone else mixed"

"usign rips in your own gam is like composign a midid song with someone esle's soundfonts"

no it isn't you're completely wrong you're stupid. a more accurate analogy is that using rips is like taking sentences from a wikipedia article and rearranging them to write your own essay.

please rank all the analogies, i need to know which to skim over and which to study for future analogies

using rips? thats like stealing resources from an over-popular jrpg and using them to convey your half-assed 'moving' story

using rips is like you're a fucking idiot grow the fuck up and make something with your pitiful life.

watch out the 25 year old nerds will kick your butt.

with a lawsuit

I can make music, but I can't make graphics. If I want to make a game, I have to get someone else to make the graphics. If I can't find someone else to make graphics, I use pre-made graphics. It's okay.

These are extremes, but they express my point. In the case of rtp or other resources offered freely (obviously, not so much with rips), people are using something that was offered to them for the express purpose of creating their content.

I argue that the final product can be more then the sum of its parts. Sure, Frankensteining a game together is not the optimal route, but I wouldn't cut someone off completely just for doing it.

Kindly refrain from making the false assumption that I am saying that people should be content with using rips. I'm just saying it is wrong to write them off for doing so, and that there are aspects of creating a good game that are entirely more important than graphics.[/u][/i]

no it isn't you're completely wrong you're stupid.

Reading comprehension -1

Just throwing it out there buuuuut I honestly don't think the people talking about custom graphics here are advocating some sort of scorched-earth approach that throws out ANYTHING UNORIGINAL EVER: I am personally not gonna throw out Barkley because it used a remix of a Space Jam song or an edited photo of Bill Cosby's head. The reason people sound so didactic about this is because while there are valid examples of non-original content coming together to form something new (sampling recontextualising blablabla) none of them really apply to the rpgmaker scene, which is almost exclusively about taking graphics, music, gameplay, plots, and settings from generic commercial RPGs and using them pretty much verbatim in generic amateur RPGs. The correct analogy here isn't 'a movie which has a soundtrack of preexisting songs' but 'a thriller movie that uses the soundtrack from Psycho and the camerawork of Psycho and maybe some actual footage taken from Psycho and characters heavily based on ones in Psycho in order to make a movie with the same feel and effect as Psycho'. If you're unironically using the Psycho soundtrack in a horror movie than it's just boring and uninventive; if you use say a hip-hop soundtrack then you may be using unoriginal material but the effect will still be new and it'll also give you a fantastic oppurtunity to have a character named Norman Beats.

I do not care if someone uses Space Invaders graphics in an rpg, but using material from other rpgs is a pretty clear recipe for whatever the creative equivalent of inbreeding is. Using rips may be practical in the short-term but it's also extremely limiting and really is pretty much confining you to what other people have done before, which leads to stagnation. This also kind of ties tinto what I said before about how graphics should aim towards being interesting rather than appealling necessarily: a pretty huge chunk of RPGs involves exploration. You can talk about worldbuilding as much as you like but if the things the player sees and hears throughout the game consist of generic content taken directly from other rpgs then yeah it's gonna be hard to make something seem fresh or evocative or interesting. Does anyone still get excited upon hearing chronotrigger_cave.mid?

they're not extremes they're just completely wrong you're an idiot

and plus i never said there aren't "aspects more important than graphics in good games" i just said your analogies were extremely stupid

Just because you don't understand something, or choose to interpret it in a different way than it was intended, doesn't make it stupid.

bingo bango bongo

I notice that my games get mentioned a lot in topics like these... :/

I take it Catamites has seen the 1998 remake of Psycho

That's what happens when you actually finish a game...
Think of it as free advertising...

kentona isn't the only person to finish a game on these forums. its just the majority of people in the game dev section only care about the screenshot topic or topics like these. noone actually bothers to play the completed games.

i'm not bitter or anything no not at all.