Topic: Hundreds of thousands dead in Haiti (Read 1912 times)

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Xeno, that is really awful. The amount of damage to those buildings is unreal, I'm glad your family is okay.
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http://www.oxfam.org.uk/oxfam_in_action/emergencies/haiti-earthquake_paypal.html?ito=3491&itc=0
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I just got my dad to text Haiti to such and such although he was really paranoid that it was a scam, that is incredibly shitty though that that stuff really does exist

also freerice has some kind of searchbar now, you can donate 5000 grains a day I think and that's only 10 web searches
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Haiti is half of Hispaniola. For that matter did the Domonican Republic get affected?
Nowhere near as close as Haiti. Really, we're fine, and we're sending all the help we can get to our neighbors. I've never seen so many dominicans collaborate to help Haiti.
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Nowhere near as close as Haiti. Really, we're fine, and we're sending all the help we can get to our neighbors. I've never seen so many dominicans collaborate to help Haiti.
Okay that's good to hear. I was just wondering, that's all.
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can't believe someone made this, this isn't funny at all. :(

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Wow that was horrible jojo :(
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can't believe someone made this, this isn't funny at all. :(



:welp: you really can't believe someone would make something like that?

idk by now it really shouldn't be much of a surprise that after something like this happens, a bunch of tasteless jokes are going to surface on the internet because anyone can say/do anything on the net without worrying about the social repercussions of whatever horrible shit they want to say/do.
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Our peace group at school is raising money for Haiti the entire week.  We're donating all the cash we get to the Red Cross.
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There's been another 6.1 quake in Haiti. Those poor people, nobody deserves one after another, let alone one quake at all.
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I have just seen the news in TV last night and I feel sorry for those people who tends to become more violent now if some relief operations is being given to them. I think people still need more relief goods ...It looks like relief operation in that country tends to become violent already , I have seen some killing and violent ways from some people there already
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just found out an old friend of mine was in haiti on a humanitarian mission the day of the earthquake. the last anybody has heard of him was before it happened. they're calling off the search efforts soon, tomorrow i think, for the hotel where he was staying. there's a petition to urge them to continue searching, but i can't see how anybody can keep their hopes high.

other than amark, he was the only person i knew on this filthy planet legitimately capable of doing serious good for people. he was older though, and had done all kinds of great things for people over his life, and was still doing so on a regular basis. we always had feared that he would be killed in the line of duty, but this was so pointless and random.

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i'm so sorry hundley :(

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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oh man hundley, i'm sorry :(

edit: wait. this is the case for 100,000s of people. this is just fucking terrible. any news on US efforts in Haiti? i haven't been following the news, which would also probably just make the US look like we're doing so good. look @ US.
Last Edit: January 25, 2010, 04:25:34 am by im_so_tired
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I sincerely hope you find out he's ok
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:(

its always the fucking good people. i hope he's ok and just hasn't been able to communicate with you!
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Former NBA journeyman Paul Shirley says he's not donating a 'cent' to Haiti earthquake relief.

NBA players were outraged Wednesday by anti-Haitian statements issued by former league player Paul Shirley.

"I haven't donated a cent to the Haitian relief effort. And I probably will not," said Shirley, who was a seldom-used reserve forward in 2004-05 on Mike D'Antoni's Phoenix Suns team. "I don't think the people of Haiti will do much with my money either.

"... Shouldn't much of the responsibility for the disaster lie with the victims of that disaster?"

Shirley also penned a sarcastic letter of thanks to the Haitian people that read, in part: "Kudos on developing the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. Your commitment to human rights, infrastructure and birth control should be applauded."

ESPN Wednesday fired Shirley from his gig as a freelance commentator. The network released a brief statement saying that Shirley's views "do not at all reflect our company's views on the Haiti relief efforts. He will no longer contribute to ESPN."
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Here's his letter:

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Imagine that I’m a caveman. Imagine that I’ve chosen to build my house out of balsa wood, and that I’m building it next to a roaring river because I’ve decided it will make harvesting fish that much easier. Then, imagine that my hut is destroyed by a flood.

Imagining what would happen next is easier than imagining me carrying a caveman’s club. If I were lucky enough to survive the roaring waters that took my hut, my tribesmen would say, “Building next to the river was pretty dumb, wasn’t it?.” Or, if I weren’t so lucky, they’d say, “At least we don’t have to worry about that moron anymore.”

Sure, you think, but those are cavemen. We’re more civilized now – we help each other, even when we make mistakes.

True enough. But what about when people repeat their mistakes? And what about when they do things that obviously act against their own self-interests?

In the case of mistakes and warnings as applied to Haiti, I don’t mean to indict those who ignored actual warnings against earthquakes, of which there were many before the recent one. Although it would have been prudent to pay heed to those, I suppose.

Instead, I’m referring to the circumstances in which people lived. While the earthquake was, obviously, unavoidable, the way in which many of the people of Haiti lived was not. Regrettably, some Haitians would have died regardless of the conditions in that country. But the fact that so many people lived in such abject poverty exacerbated the extent of the crisis.

After the tsunami of 2004, the citizens of the world wailed and donated and volunteered for cleanup, rarely asking the important – and, I think, obvious – question: What were all those people doing there in the first place? Just as important: If they move back to a place near the ocean that had just been destroyed by a giant wave, shouldn’t our instinct be to say, “Go ahead if you want, but you’re on your own now.”?

We did the same after Hurricane Katrina. We were quick to vilify humans who were too slow to respond to the needs of victims, forgetting that the victims had built and maintained a major city below sea level in a known target zone for hurricanes. Our response: Make the same mistake again. Rebuild a doomed city, putting aside logic as we did.

It shouldn’t be outlandish to hope that we might stop short of the reactionary word that is so often flung about after natural (and unnatural) disasters. That word: Rebuild. Thus, the tired, knee-jerk cycle of aid/assist/rebuild would be replaced by a new one: Aid/assist/let’s-stop-and-think-before-we-screw-this-up-again.

If forced to do so through logic-colored glasses, no one would look at Haiti and think, “You know what? It was a great idea to put 10 million people on half of an island. The place is routinely battered by hurricanes (in 2008, $900 million was lost/spent on recovery from them), it holds the aforementioned title of poorest nation in the Western hemisphere, and it happens to sit on a tectonic fault line.”
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haha that is his actual donation. a badly argued, childhish letter. also looks more like a forum post more than a real letter.
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That's pretty good but I preferred David Brooks' New York Times column on the subject, where he boldy states that charity work isn't enough and that it's necessary to take a harsh look at the deeper, underlying causes of poverty in Haiti such as, uh, voodoo.

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As Lawrence E. Harrison explained in his book “The Central Liberal Truth,” Haiti, like most of the world’s poorest nations, suffers from a complex web of progress-resistant cultural influences. There is the influence of the voodoo religion, which spreads the message that life is capricious and planning futile. There are high levels of social mistrust. Responsibility is often not internalized. Child-rearing practices often involve neglect in the early years and harsh retribution when kids hit 9 or 10.

We’re all supposed to politely respect each other’s cultures. But some cultures are more progress-resistant than others, and a horrible tragedy was just exacerbated by one of them.

He then suggests that the real way forward is to install "self-confident local leaders who will create No Excuses countercultures in places like Haiti, surrounding people — maybe just in a neighborhood or a school — with middle-class assumptions, an achievement ethos and tough, measurable demands", in order to to " replace parts of the local culture with a highly demanding, highly intensive culture of achievement — involving everything from new child-rearing practices to stricter schools to better job performance." Presumably the next step is the Sassy Gay Friend initiative, which will help struggling Haitians regain the self-confidence and 'sassitude' necessary to bootstrap themselves into a stronger market presence.

edit: but yeah i am kinda flabbergasted that a lot of people seem to be going with the SHIFTLESS, LAZY angle on this whole thing, jesus. neoliberalism wat dat
Last Edit: January 29, 2010, 07:33:22 pm by deadly swamptrogg
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