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faust you should pick up on it in the staff room and earn extra brownie points

Dude, if I mentioned punctuation in the staffroom I'd be SCORNED! The English Office maybe, but the staffroom is for discussions about television, other staff members, badnik students, and who has what SAMMIJES.
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Using a semicolon isn't hard; I once saw Quentin Tarantino do it.
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Using a semicolon isn't hard; I once saw Quentin Tarantino do it.
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"I once saw Quentin Tarantino do it." is dependent I'm pretty sure because otherwise what is it? It alone doesn't mean anything, that sentence depends on the first sentence to make sense. YOU USED A SEMICOLON WRONG!!
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YOU DID IT WRONG!!!
"I once saw Quentin Tarantino do it." is dependent I'm pretty sure because otherwise what is it? It alone doesn't mean anything, that sentence depends on the first sentence to make sense. YOU USED A SEMICOLON WRONG!!
No, "I saw him do it" is a perfectly valid example of an independent clause. It contains one subject (I) and one predicate (saw him do it). If I'm not mistaken (help me out here Faust) "him do it" functions as the direct object of the verb "saw".

For a sentence to be independent it doesn't necessarily have to make a lot of sense to the reader. An example of a dependent clause that can't be used in conjunction with a semicolon would be something like "When I saw him do it", which can't really be parsed in any meaningful way without an additional independent clause, e.g. "When I saw him do it, I remembered the trick."
Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 09:07:01 pm by Dada
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Thanks Dada I'm dumb! I like to make up my own rules for things, that's my problem!
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No, "I saw him do it" is a perfectly valid example of an independent clause. It contains one subject (I) and one predicate (saw him do it). If I'm not mistaken (help me out here Faust) "him do it" functions as the direct object of the verb "saw".

For a sentence to be independent it doesn't necessarily have to make a lot of sense to the reader. An example of a dependent clause that can't be used in conjunction with a semicolon would be something like "When I saw him do it", which can't really be parsed in any meaningful way without an additional independent clause, e.g. "When I saw him do it, I remembered the trick."

You're actually right there dada. As long as it's grammatically correct as an independent sentence then it's absolutely fine. Again we have a situation where JOHNNY FOREIGNER knows the rules our language much better than 99% of its native speakers.

...Although, counting on Faust to help you out of a grammar situation is probably a bit like asking Tony Soprano for advice on being a good father! He thinks he's the shit, but it turns out he's just a massive douchebag!

Still, as long as the government keeps cutting those pay cheques!!!!!
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That's because 99% of students think the same thing I thought about Dutch class: that it's stupid to spend time learning to use your native language. English, French and German were all interesting, but spending 4 hours a week learning to tell a fable from a parable just isn't my idea of a good time.

The sad thing is it's really, really necessary these days.
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I usually follow the rules laid down in my copy of Elements of Style (AKA Strunk & White) with a few exceptions. I recommend it to everyone as a basic guide.
Informal writing is much more flexible than formal writing, but I try to keep it concise and clear.

Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 05:38:27 pm by Terrorantula
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