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Man, I OWE money... a lot of it to. I can't give away money. If I see a person street perform though (play an instrument, do a dance, selling art, etc) I might give them some money. Though usually no more then 2 bucks because I rarely carry much cash with me and when I do I usually plan on using it for something.

When I was in San Francisco there was this guy playing a saxophone on the side walk and I wanted to give him money because he was really good. but I didn't have any money on me and I felt bad, felt like I was sneaking into a performance and not paying for it.

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was was waiting for my family to finish picking books at a library and a hobo looking type with crazy eyes and a beard that appeared to merge into his coats gave me a piece of jerky like meat and walked away. I was utterly and totally baffled by this as I had never seen him before and he didn't speak a word. I thought some shit was up or something so I started feeling kind of paranoid after that.

I did not eat the meat he handed me... I threw it away after he left.
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I'm pretty much assuming since he's been doing it since I was a kid, could remember who I am and what I used to drive and pick me out of a parking lot to come find me and repeatedly as me for money or food when I worked at a fast food resturaunt as a kid. As well as find his way through town and bike six miles from one end of the place to the other with a guitar on his back. I'm pretty sure if the guy can do this every day he is more then capable of holding a minimum wage job.

I know a guy that was homeless at one point (for a few weeks or maybe months I think) before my family took him in and he's a diagnosed schitzophrenic, this guy cannot work and is incapable of fully and independently taking care of himself so he gets disability checks from the government. Thats a person I would be willing to and have helped as much as I was capable on many occasions. Having spoken to the two of these people on seperate occasions I would say the prior is much more mentally capable of doing for himself then the latter.

But yeah you're right I don't know for sure and maybe I'm just an incompassionate dick, I call it like I see it and if I see it incorrectly I hope I can find the error in my ways on my own rather then have some fucking punk tell me I'm some selfish ayn rand wanabee or whatever.
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no one had to misread anything, you were vomiting libertarian objectivist garbage whether you realize it or not. I know you're a DEMOCRAT or something like that so maybe you were repeating something a dumb friend said?

regardless you still aren't being smart. he obviously has to be good at begging for him to be able to survive doing it for so long! and your character judgements are really dumb, there's no way you can draw those conclusions with the information you have. you know how racists tend to make up bad things about minorities to go along with their preexisting hatred? this is a similar situation

you like to pick up standards of hatred against a lot of things for seemingly no better reason than to be able to hate something, it's not good

edit: missed the last part of that post. good you're starting to realize you're wrong
Last Edit: April 03, 2010, 02:37:27 am by earlchip
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i feel much better about giving money to people with instruments or who are doing something else that makes people happy than those that sit with a sad face. they're probably sad but i don't want to see it, and if you give them money they look the same!
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If I were rich, I'd give them money. However I can barely make ends meet with my job as paperboy. I get out of my bed during the night everyday except sunday to walk those crappy newspapers, even when it rains like hell. Yeah, I'm sure homeless people have it tough. Most of them. I'm sure their life is crappy and they really need the money. But I have it tough too, and I don't have any money to spare. In before "at least you have a bed": I can't help that I was born in this environment, and I don't think people should have to feel guilty about having a good life.
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I don't think we will never really know in what they use their money. Probably drugs, booze or food. Maybe all of them. But whatever their reason is, I think they need that extra change more than I do.

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Whatever. I don't feel obligated to help them out, especially when they can't say so much as "thanks" after you gave them money. Even if it's not much, you're going out of your damn way to get some change out of your pocket and give it to them while trying to smile. Yet all they can do is keep sitting there with their sad face, most of the times not even looking you in the eyes.

I pity them, but sitting around asking for money won't make you rich either. I honestly don't know what to do if you're ill, have no home or no relatives, but there's got to be some better way to achieve things and get through life.
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I read the book Sidewalk a couple of months ago and it was saying how some panhandlers if they go in the right spot and know what to do can make over 70 bucks in a day or so.
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The One, you are confusing "I can't help because of my financial situation" and your original statement of "fuck them they should have to work like everyone else boooooootstraps".  I think you are only emphasizing the first to cover up how awful the second is!
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The second isn't awful if the homeless in question is healthy. He should be happy with his good health and try to achieve something.
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I read the book Sidewalk a couple of months ago and it was saying how some panhandlers if they go in the right spot and know what to do can make over 70 bucks in a day or so.

I have seen statistics that are a lot higher than this for Toronto but maybe they were made up?

My problem with giving money to homeless people is that it is immediately burned away, usually not on food. I work downtown and I see the same totally crazy looking homeless people day after day grumbling and sleeping on the subway and generally being stinky useless members of society. I'm not angry at them or anything, but if you argue that they are anything but useless dregs then you are dumb! I'm not a libertarian and believe that homeless people should be cared for by the society as a whole, but I just don't see the point in given them change. I am pretty cheap though!

I'm not trying to come off as a dick here but I just legitimately don't see the point in it. If someone could explain to me the end result of giving these people change I would be most obliged. Don't say "SO THEY CAN EAT YOU DICKHEAD" because there are a huge number of social systems set up to ensure they aren't dying that they aren't taking advantage of. The fact that they have a brain problem that makes them unable to accept help from giant organizations designed to give them help isn't going to be solved by me throwing some pennies at them.

edit: it is important to note that Toronto has a disproportionately high number of crazy street people to regular homeless people who need the money to survive, and they are everywhere stinkin' up the city and it has made me incredibly callous toward them. Sorry I am an asshole!

Also it is important to note that most people playing instruments, especially if you see them in the same place every day, aren't homeless people they're buskers. They have to get a license to play in that spot and pay taxes and shit. These people do this as a job and giving them money is cool (unless the suck then they should be encouraged to go away and let better street musicians play).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Use_of_funds
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yes im going to give a beggar a 75 cent gift card to shaws
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Use_of_funds

Why did you post this? It's a dubious study that, in the next sentence, is pointed out as being dubious.

If you really think that the crazy homeless people of downtown Toronto are spending more on food than they are on drugs and alcohol combined then you are ???. Nevermind how many drugs they actually use, those three things are fucking EXPENSIVE. A package of cigarettes is anywhere from $7-$10 around here, which is two days worth of food if you are concerned about spending wisely (which admittedly they are probably not). That's one package of cigarettes! Nevermind the huge costs of alcohol! I am also disregarding the cost of illegal drugs because let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

Alcohol is super expensive, and so is tobacco. I don't really care what they buy with it anyways because they are never going to buy a better life so =)
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yesterday i went to the bar and there was this homeless dude talking to me about music and spending his money in the bar. actually i dont know if hge was spending it he seemed to just enjoy talking. he didnt ask for money though. he seemed to have some mental issues or really junked out

i sometimes give money or sometimes dont. honestly to me its not even a question of feeling good or not. this is not going to be fixed unless someday we live in a more humane world. i dont think anybody deserves to be smegma in the floor for fucking up, whether at drugs or life or etcetera. i think that is a very unhealthy attitude.
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True story

I was at Leicester with Gareth (GaZZwa), while walking down the town centre we went into one of those second rate KFC, which aren't KFC, just second rate chicken fried fast food. Worse than Maryland Chicken even.
We did our order and sat on a bench to wait for our meals.
A random chav enters the store, goes straight to me (whether he knew I was a foreigner or not I dunno) and says:
"Excuse me mate but do you have 50p? I need 50p, it's for the bus"
and slowly I said "..yes.."
and then there was this odd silence as I looked elsewhere
after a slight stutter the chav said "Could I have them 50p please? It's for the bus"
and I coldly stared at him and said "No.."

The chav was bewildered as I looked away again
Gareth said "sorry" as the chav looked at him for answers and then he left.


I don't give money to anybody. If I want to help I'll do volunteer work or do something for charity, but giving away money is not my thing.
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do you do volunteer work/charity?
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it's something I'm considering of doing lately
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