i would argue that rpg maker event code is programming since the event editor produces files that are interpreted as programs by the rpg maker game executable. it is a highly limited form of computer programming, but in the sense that rpg maker emulates some event machine, it's still programming of a sort.

the way some people get through computer science degrees by copying and pasting code from lecture slides and letting IDEs check correctness for them is hardly much more of a technical skill.

well technically you press the buttons, but that's like saying coding in c is just typing, anyone can do that!  Like you still have to apply coding logic to it, there's just shortcuts and limitations. But this is not an argument, of what is code, where do we place rm on the coding spectrum in terms of complexity and SKILL???? It;s about what system should this guy make in RM.

And I still say make a pathfinding algorithm. And the dude ignores my suggestion. You can also make Tactical Battle System, something turned based like fire emblem. You could make a physics engine for a platformer, or a fighting or racing game. Make a mode 7 algorithm! I mean you are somewhat limited by RM capabilities but you can do whatever, these are just off the dome suggestions. I'm sure you can think of SOMETHIN that is "complex" and "doable in rm'

if you really good in rm2k3 why not try something not in rm2k3 so you can expand your skills. How abou a ABS similar to zelda/soulblazer in multimedia fusion 2?

I'm sure you can think of SOMETHIN that is "complex" and "doable in rm'

i think it's 'complex' xor 'doable'

if you really good in rm2k3 why not try something not in rm2k3 so you can expand your skills. How abou a ABS similar to zelda/soulblazer in multimedia fusion 2?

actually this is a really good point if you want a project and have none for yourself why don't you learn something new for yourself instead of whipping up some rm2k shit for people you don't know?  expand your OWN horizons.  but maybe instead of learning some other gamemaker, why not try some c coding, or some python, or any other language.  instead of making some final fantasy menu system for someone, learn how to code your own thing from scratch.  if you get started and learn the foundations, you could be on your way to coding a full game one day entirely on your own without the limitations of some maker.  or, since you said you're only interested in making the systems, you can very easily do that in regular code too--hell, that's much easier.  practice writing some algorithms, that's more or else what you're doing now it's just a shift in perspective.  you are bored and clearly need a project, so why not pick something that will benefit you long term instead of making something for some rpg to get your name in credits nobody will see?

If he had said "Coding" there would be more reason to start poking fun at him, "Programing" is a perfectly resonable term for what you do in RM.

I am not a taxonomist, but I'm pretty sure the issue everyone is discussing here is not one about semantics.

If you want something to challenge you, or just to take up your time, why not learn something new if you know you could teach it to yourself based on prior knowledge anyhow? You'll always know how to do shit in RPGMaker either way, so you can afford to hold off on working with it unless you actually have something specific in mind that you genuinely want to make for your own purposes.

I think you're using the fact that some people were putting you down at the start to ignore anyone else's comments on the matter.  I'm not offended at you wanting to dick around in RPGMaker, if you want to do it then go ahead and have fun.  But, if you're looking for something to do, I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to expand your horizons a bit.  It would be good for you, there's no reason to SCOFF at this suggestion!

Rm2k3 does the programming for you in a limited way. Any retard can press some buttons. People who create elaborate systems using Rm2k3 are really not skilled, they just have common sense.

But yeah I won't get involved into this further

Salvador Dali used common sense

I think you're using the fact that some people were putting you down at the start to ignore anyone else's comments on the matter.  I'm not offended at you wanting to dick around in RPGMaker, if you want to do it then go ahead and have fun.  But, if you're looking for something to do, I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to expand your horizons a bit.  It would be good for you, there's no reason to SCOFF at this suggestion!

To his credit, I'm fairly sure at this point he would have ignored this suggestion regardless of whether or not he could use the fact that some people were indeed putting him down at the start.

It's his prerogative for sure, but I hate it when people go around acting superior about basic programming knowhow, as if it's some arcane secret club with subject matter that is inherently inaccessible to the brain of the common man. Hell, I am with Vey on the matter. You can program shit if you know how to use RPGMaker, and you are doing pretty much the same thing as any other "programmer" when using the syntax that engine provides. It's not like organizing the code in a text editor makes your "programming" more adept than code run through that engine.

The way I see it, unless you are "hard-core" enough to actually program your own compiler from scratch, then there is no objective quantifiable difference between a person working with RM2k3, and someone working with the programming language used to compile Rm2k3 itself!

So yeah, I will come out and say that Rm2k3 programming and "other" programming is practically identical in the processes they use to build an application. So if you are the least bit willing to agree with me on that matter, then you should be willing to accept that learning another programming language that is not based on working through Rm2k3 is something you are easily capable of, because that's how you already learned Rm2k3 in the first place.

If you don't want to do it, then avoid it because it is something you don't want to. I'll still respect you. As long as you don't go around thinking "Well, that's all stuff that I could never actually do myself!" all the time, and use that as your excuse to do as much as you can with Rm2k3 instead. I'm not petty enough to hate someone for whatever engine they choose to write software in, but hating people who lie to themselves on a daily basis comes naturally to me. (I should know. After all, I've been hating myself for years.)

Just a note: when I suggested he try something new i wasn't putting him (or rm2k3) down. It was just a suggestion. nothing more.