Ragnar why do you hate Rare so much?

DK64 - Fetchquest: The game

vvvv http://www.java4k.com/index.php?action=games&method=view&gid=288

vvvvvv isn't really a free-roaming game in the way Ragnar means tho just another dumb achievement game based upon a dumb gameplay gimmick with some kinda cool visuals and music

Not Mafia 2.

Well regardless of how he means it, vvvvvv s "free-roaming" in the sense that all levels are interconnected and you're free to go wherever you want. I guess what you mean might be more like sandbox gameplay?

mostly I wanted to say something about vvvvvv but travel in that game is goal-oriented and it's also difficult. definitely nifflas's games and maybe even the metroids are closer but I don't think either of those are what he means

yeah sandbox is probably what I mean? or not. I agree shit like Tail of the Sun got old never tried LSD for playstation it was just something I wanted to do on a whim but yeah now I'm terrified there's only like one non goal-oriented game in existence besides like mario paint well technically you have the goal of making pictures in that game?

I mean forget that most games are about KILLING and LOOTING even stuff like simcity is like all about progress and lol like imposing your will on things I will build a building here (god complex) I want a game that is just smelling the roses however the hell they make this interesting control scheme graphic presentation whatever but it's not an interactive movie either. Isn't Shadow of the Collosus just RUNNING for the first 5 hours of the game and somehow they make this interesting. I fail to see how this wouldn't be a worthwhile goal in gaming even if the killing part of games is just CATHARTIC how much catharsis do you need creepy weirdos addicted to catharsis

I think games are actually pretty good at uh like something being fun solely because it's a SIMULCRUM or whatever the word is all the first-person shooter games that are obsessed with having a bathroom in the game what is so interesting about your virtual self being in a bathroom within a game even though bathrooms are taken for granted in real life suddenly they become this thing worth recreating in a videogame. Even if it's like SOCIETY like scared of being in AWE of a bathroom in real life for fear that someone will catch you there are public restrooms where you can lock door and stare at a faucet for minutes on end if you really really wanted to. I guess you can't shoot up a bathroom though. Obviously not JUST bathrooms but there are many sort of non-fantastic game settings like that also taking place in games where you can't cause mayhem like in GTA so is it a sort of waking fantasy about doing crazy shit in a public setting or is it something different going on

Edit: the bathroom in the game actually represents the womb regressing back to a fetus and if you shoot up the walls of the bathroom it is actually trying to re-escape the womb and is cathartic in this way

obvious answers you've probably played:

escape velocity
yume nikki
transcendence
knytt [stories]
dear esther (HL2 mod)

ops this topic's a little older than i thought hope this still helps!

dear esther looks kind of good the source engine always seemed like it would be good for a game like that like to the point I thought exploring the game world was the thing they were HOLDING BACK on like we only have this much game world so we will extend the game with a stupid water puzzle and start the game in this spacious train station with no combat/breaks in exploration just enough to get them addicted