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http://openpandora.org/index.php

basically it's a handheld computer, around the size of a ds, and it's made for gaming. Sounds pretty dumb at first, because there is no way it can be as powerful as a real computer, etc BUT it has a built in gamepad and a real operating system, making it ideal for mobile emulating (in fact, they advertise it as emulating snes games and the like, and I've seen videos of it doing super mario 64!) + touch screen, meaning if you could deal with how INCREDIBLY SMALL everything is, you could emulate ds games.

What really interests me about it is that it's running a full operating system + has a keyboard, so I could program on-the-go. I don't know about you guys (although I'm fairly positive I'm the only one who thinks like this), but I am finding myself wanting to program on long car rides or when I'm otherwise isolated from my computer and think netbooks are TOO BIG. This pocket-sized wonder appears to be exactly what I'm looking for in that regard.

So, anyone a little more tech savvy than me notice anything OBVIOUSLY WRONG about this? I think throwing down 350$ for the ability to program ANYWHERE is a pretty good deal, but the processor speed + screen size may hamper that. If I do get this, I'm probably gonna wait until 2nd or 3rd gen (hoping the price comes down and/or the specs are boosted a little by then)
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Velfarre thinks it sucks.

You're not going to use microsoft visual studio 2008 on this.

I guess I like it but it should be mass manufactured in China and cost 30$

Anyway I think of it as a complicated calculator you could use to calculate anything
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Velfarre thinks it sucks.
well ms. vellfire can come in here and say that herself methinks  :hmm:
are you guys talking about this on irc? cause you should be talking about it here, where I can also obtain this valuable informations... someone post chat logs plz xD

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You're not going to use microsoft visual studio 2008 on this.
obviously not, even if I have to use pandora's development kit it's better than getting an idea in my head 12 hours away from a computer and forgetting it by the time I'm back to civilization. seriously if I get an idea to optimize my pathfinding it'll be gone in the next hour or so  :fogetcry:
edit: also since it's on linux I could just use vim + gcc unless for some reason they strip these functionalities? also python comes with many linux distributions. In fact, I hate using Visual Studio anyways so this is an advantage if anything!

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I guess I like it but it should be mass manufactured in China and cost 30$
that would be ideal, but it's a little powerful for that  :sad:

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you can access wolfram alpha....
Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 03:57:06 am by Rajew
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hmm.. too expensive
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you should call it OpenPandora in the title because Pandora is some well-known music service too, right? people might think it's that and skip over the topic
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I dunno, it looks neat but the whole game-centric handheld thing isn't too appealing to me. I'm thinking about getting a beagleboard when I have time and money to devote to monkeying around with computer hardware/software
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We talked about it quite a while ago.  Basically I thought it was a waste of time because at that time, not only was there basically NO CHANCE OF GETTING ONE (not sure if this is still true I've not been on the open source handheld scene for a long time now) since more or less they had already sold way too many via preorders and people were several several batches away from ever hoping to get theirs, but also originally they were gonna be like $600.  However it seems like they've changed a lot of that.  It seems like the rest of my issues with it are things that other people probably won't care about, and so they're just reasons why I personally don't care about them and not reasons that would probably discourage anyone else.  It's mostly that it's a tiny computer which isn't what I want from this sort of machine.  I cannot imagine programming or anything like that being comfortable whatsoever on such a small device.  But, at the same time, it's also too big for me to want to put in my pocket.  Still, like I've said before about handhelds, I'm a girl so I've got way tighter pants than most of you dudes and therefore most handhelds don't fit in my pockets whatsoever, which makes them kind of annoying since part of the appeal is portability.  If I'm going to have to carry something around with me, I might as well have the netbook.  Again this probably isn't a problem for you!

Other than that I can't really say too much without using the device firsthand but to me the keyboard looks uncomfortable and having those little joystick controls doesn't really make gaming appeal any more, because it seems like you could easily be hitting other buttons since you have to reach over the D-pad and buttons to get to them.  But maybe not, idk!  I'd have to try one.

As a gaming platform, I didn't really see anything that I cared about the Pandora did that my Wiz doesn't do.  It's more powerful, so iirc it can do PSX/N64 emulation (unless this has changed as I said I've been out of the loop on these things for a while now), but frankly I've never cared that much about emulating either of these in my pocket.  The one thing the Wiz does that the Pandora doesn't though is fit in my pocket :|

So basically yeah there's a list of my problems with the Pandora (oh I forgot why would they keep this name Pandora was around before this thing got that much publicity so it's not like they didn't know, they slapped "Open" in front of it much later down the road).  And guess what?  It's probably stuff that nobody else is gonna have a problem with.  Who knows?  It's just not for me.  The only reason I responded is because Inri brought me into it so THERE YA GO.
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it has been coming out in six months for like three years. if it does eventually release though i'll try developing for it since my flatmate ordered one.

if it has a stable hurd kernel maybe they will port duke nukem forever and earthbound 64.
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I dunno, it looks neat but the whole game-centric handheld thing isn't too appealing to me. I'm thinking about getting a beagleboard when I have time and money to devote to monkeying around with computer hardware/software
this looks pretty cool. You could carry it around and if you ever need to use a computer but all they have is a monitor you just pull that thing out and whabam! but it doesn't seem like anything I'd use because I don't understand hardware!!


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You are correct, I do wear loose pants with large pockets. Portability shouldn't be an issue for me. Also I agree with you on the nubs, they don't seem to be in key placement areas. You could still play many n64 games reasonably (iirc most of them used the dpad for completely optional things, like ocarina of time didn't even use it at all did it?) and it's still better than psp imho. but then again I wouldn't get this primarily as a gaming thing (even though that is what it is designed for)

PS: What is a Wiz? I did a quick search and I guess it's a kind of smartphone? You say it's more powerful... could I use that to mobile-y program? The keyboard doesn't seem that good for it but again there are very few options for programming on the move so convenience is a luxury at this point. Or is it like my phone (which has a perfect keyboard for it), and you can't really download apps besides DINER DASH and BUBBLE BUSTER?

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I really like what I'm seeing in that video tbh. Apparently the nubs are better now but I didn't see any update on the sticky dpad or shoulder buttons. those should be fixed by the time I ever get one though.
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i don't think i could ever fit a handheld in any of my trouser pockets. it would be a squeeze getting into my jacket / coat pockets. guess if i buy a new handheld i should buy a new bag too. so much for portability
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it has been coming out in six months for like three years. if it does eventually release though i'll try developing for it since my flatmate ordered one.

if it has a stable hurd kernel maybe they will port duke nukem forever and earthbound 64.

wait, is the pandora still not out??? i was under the impression it finally was releasing.  if it's still not out then this is a fucking farce of a device

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PS: What is a Wiz? I did a quick search and I guess it's a kind of smartphone? You say it's more powerful... could I use that to mobile-y program? The keyboard doesn't seem that good for it but again there are very few options for programming on the move so convenience is a luxury at this point. Or is it like my phone (which has a perfect keyboard for it), and you can't really download apps besides DINER DASH and BUBBLE BUSTER?

the wiz isn't a phone it's a small portable handheld gaming device.  idk if you found some other device with the same name or just didn't really read much about it, but here's the wiki page.  it has a few nongaming things too (i mean it plays videos and audio and there's some freeware apps people made but i wouldn't be replacing say my ipod touch with it for any of this sort of stuff).  also you misread, i said that the pandora was more powerful.  the wiz is mostly used for emulators.  it'll emulate pretty much up to some REALLY simple psx stuff (monster rancher battle card for example, since it is mostly 2D still images, though i tried out dragon seed on it and although that game is awful, it ran okay surprisingly).  i especially like it for scummvm games, i was surprised that it would run the 7th guest.  i have a few vids of it if you want to see it in action.  i got it just because i wanted something small enough to fit in my pocket that i could dick around and play roms on, and that's what it's best at doing and that's all i wanted of it so i am incredibly happy with it.  it sounds more like you want something more along the lines of a netbook than a gaming device though so you aren't going to want a wiz.

btw it looks like gph just announced a new gp2x handheld called the caanoo but it looks huge like their old handhelds and from what i just read it has internals very similar to the wiz so idk i guess that's just for the people who found the wiz too small????

edit: it looks like the pandora started shipping in may but they've only shipped like 600 of them.  they require preorders to be paid in advance in order to cover their production costs.  this whole thing feels really GROSS AND SKETCHY to me.  paying $300+ upfront for a device that's already been delayed for years now?  i may have had to wait an unexpected 6 months for my wiz due to delays, but at least i didn't have to pay for it until it shipped AND i...actually got it!
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oh then the wiz is nothing of what I want then :c
also, I guess the pandora is shipping. according to their site 600 of them have already been shipped, and another 4000 are in production. so it's out it is just not very widespread (yet??)
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it has been coming out in six months for like three years. if it does eventually release though i'll try developing for it since my flatmate ordered one.

if it has a stable hurd kernel maybe they will port duke nukem forever and earthbound 64.

this should be the next barkley-like project. A game that is like duke nukem forever combined with earthbound 64 combined with like every other vaporware that was full of speculation MARIO PAINT 64 and it's like just ridiculous speculation about how perfect the game would be and the game has this massive conspiracy storyline to it like Nintendo intentionally holds these games back like they're the videogame equivalent of the water engine and they'd be so perfect it would destroy the game(ing) industry and it's some metal gear shit where you are going into Nintendo's underground bunker to retrieve the prototype of the ultimate vaporware game

also put Ninja Gaiden RPG in there I could've sworn there was a Ninja Gaiden RPG for Nintendo or Gameboy growing up but then when I got older and was able to look it up on the internet Nintendo did a massive coverup it's like it never existed

also why did the intro to Super Mario RPG have this scene with the koopa wizard guy from Mario World and this scene never actually happens in the game I'm not sure if he's even a boss obviously they deleted this scene from the game because it would've been the greatest boss fight in videogame history

and the areas of the Big Shell you couldn't explore in MGS2. Oldman and Chinamen are there and are the best boss fights of all time even better than koopa wizard fightg

Edit: to kind of give an idea of the atmosphere it's like every sort of childhood rumor about secret games/modes/cheat codes gets creepy/somehow more obsessive and becomes some Da Vinci Code shit like in the game universe there is a group of gamer nerds who believes Duke Nukem Forever contains GNOSTIC SECRETS and the vatican/cia/illuminati is holding back the release of the game. It will also be even more convoluted storyline than that XZR 2 game somebody posted a while back and just string together random bits of history and create universe that could only exist in a videogame. Like Benjamin Franklin had plans for the ultimate videogame 200 years before they came out and Pythagoras was actually trying to design the perfect engine for a platform game with all that triangle nonsense

Edit: I really want to believe Hideo Kojima like UNDERSTANDS EVERYTHING now like is literally trolling/stringing his fans along and is perfectly aware of it. Like hey let me have an unreleased boss in Metal Gear Solid 2 where his name is a ethnic slur and would've basically controlled like another boss in the game anyway and/or had really unfun/overly complex boss fight mechanics. And I will make him mysterios enough blurry concept art so people will literally be clamoring to release special edition with this boss GIVE US CHINAMAN

Edit: As for the game cue dramatic trailer where somebody looks at dollar bill through special glasses and pyramid becomes mario face and latin text turns into "it's a me mario" TRUTH IS OUT THERE
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