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thanks guys. one of my friends kind of explained things too me the same way. that he thought his comedy was pretty hit or miss but that it was more of his ideas that made him notable. and i can definitely imagine him being more relevant in the past.

also i dont think louis ck really does angry dumb humor, or is really that offensive. i think when he says shit like "i dont really see the problem with killing people" or "i cut the guy off, cause...fuck him, he's not me," its not cause he actually promotes those thoughts i think its more of a satire on the general apathy of people in america. i also think he has pretty good timing and presentation. compared to what other comedy is available, i think louis ck is pretty intelligent. i think its kind of silly to say "this isn't intellectual so its not funny." there's so much stuff that can make a joke funny and sometimes it has little to do with the content of the joke but to do with delivery, timing, or context.
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you haven't seen all hs materal then. maybe l'll edt ths post when l'm on a computer wth a better keyboard. also l'm not talkng about "dumb" n the sense of the second half of your post

Louis CK isn't dumb. If you watch his interviews he explains that every time he makes a silly overblown self-righteous complaint about some other person's stupidity/impatience/etc. he's talking about himself in a cloaked self-critical way and making up the part about the other person which makes him a little more endearing to me. He likes to run with absurd/offensive banal little thoughts and is pretty good at making funny critiques of everyday life while having fun with a self-mocking presentation of the "self-righteous comedian" cliche.
that mght be true. he has some funny stuff but l guess l forget about t when he starts talkng about AlDs and faggots and rape and hs famly. haven't seen hlarous yet
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that mght be true. he has some funny stuff but l guess l forget about t when he starts talkng about AlDs and faggots and rape and hs famly. haven't seen hlarous yet
I see where you're coming from. I dunno, that sorta stuff is understandable because I know where he's coming from but a lot of people laugh at it for the wrong reasons so yeah it might not be appropriate on his part. When you hang out with gay dudes who you can laugh and make fag/AIDS jokes from the ignorant straight boy perspective in a self-deprecating way and have laughs all around which is what I'm sure he does but if you do it to a crowd of bros I'm sure you can have a sorta meta laugh at how you can make these completely ignorant statements and idiots eat it up but it's pretty masturbatory and just looks bad to everyone else. i like his family jokes though because it's funny and absurd to hear someone bitch about the things we overlook out of love in our family lives so while those jokes are always gross and stupid they're also pretty heartwarming cuz you can tell he loves his kids a lot & is probably a sweet dad
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i haven't seen his stuff for a while but i was watching him at an improv show and just out of the blue he said something fairly offensive. like his set wasn't going too well or he was out of material or something and he was just like "i have to clean shit out of my daughters cunt."

maybe that's a layer of his humour, like getting you to like him even though he's saying terrible things.
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actually that reminds me of the one of the reasons i've got it in my head that he is an ugly guy. there's that one show where they are some (i guess apparently female) hecklers/loud people in the audience and he starts going on like 'why don't you shut up you fucking cunt. 'oh i'm a woman, i can do whatever the fuck i like'. no-one is interested in what you have to say!' and that is pretty bad. go on to any youtube video of stand up where a woman makes herself known in any way and there will be a flood of comments like 'STUPID FUCKINGF BITCHES NEED TO SHUT THEIR MOUTHS' and all of that.
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yeah well misogyny kinda comes with divorces. but fuck hecklers/loud people at comedy shows anyway... if that is your life it's probably pretty shitty for someone to do that and if you can call them a cunt/get a cheap laugh out of it then go for it.
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in hilarious which is his new movie thing he explains it as trying to offend the crowd because he thinks it's funny to hear them get offended. i don't entirely buy it and i remember another sketch where he essentially said he does it because naughty words make him laugh

there are some good jokes in hilarious tho.
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do you guys have some archive of every show louis ck has ever done or something? cause i have sat around a bunch of time and just watched louis ck shit on youtube till i couldnt find anything i hadn't already seen, and i have only seen one clip that sounds anything like what you are describing, but its not even close. i just would like to actually see these videos instead of just hearing about them so that i can make my own judgement.

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yeah well misogyny kinda comes with divorces. but fuck hecklers/loud people at comedy shows anyway... if that is your life it's probably pretty shitty for someone to do that and if you can call them a cunt/get a cheap laugh out of it then go for it.

^that^. my mom divorced my dad and i can see where it skews my judgment of women and im not even the one who got divorced. and i have a huge respect for anyone who has the courage to get up on stage and perform something that they created, so fuck hecklers. whatever they get is what they deserve.

you haven't seen all hs materal then. maybe l'll edt ths post when l'm on a computer wth a better keyboard. also l'm not talkng about "dumb" n the sense of the second half of your post

what sense of the word dumb are you talk about then?

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kinda like saying living in the city makes you hate blacks

still not on a good 'board sorry but i thin it should be clear. you sorta invented a strawman eg the part in quotations which is supposedly what i said

edit why am i saying SORTA it's lie juris and velfarre you gotta now when to say fuc it
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^that^. my mom divorced my dad and i can see where it skews my judgment of women and im not even the one who got divorced. and i have a huge respect for anyone who has the courage to get up on stage and perform something that they created, so fuck hecklers. whatever they get is what they deserve.

the problem with this is that making statements like that towards women doesn't just affect the hecklers.  suddenly you've alienated all the women in the audience because a few dumb bitches won't shut their mouths.
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still not on a good 'board sorry but i thin it should be clear. you sorta invented a strawman eg the part in quotations which is supposedly what i said

edit why am i saying SORTA it's lie juris and velfarre you gotta now when to say fuc it

how is the quote "supposedly" what you said. its a quote. go back and read what you wrote if you think i tampered with your words or something. also, i dont know what you mean by me "creating a straw man." you said that my interpretation of "dumb" was different than what you intended so all i was asking for was for you to clarify what you meant by dumb.

the problem with this is that making statements like that towards women doesn't just affect the hecklers.  suddenly you've alienated all the women in the audience because a few dumb bitches won't shut their mouths.

i didn't say it was an appropriate thing to say, im just saying i can sympathize. im not saying "its ok to call women hecklers cunts", and its certainly not a wise buisness move (if you are trying to acquire female fans), i just  agree with dietcoke's point that experiencing a divorce can certainly give you a negative view of women whether you want it to or not. also, if you call a woman heckler a cunt, you aren't necessarily calling all women cunts. you are just calling that woman a cunt. if you aren't the one being called a cunt a don't understand why you would be offended, unless you are just offended by people insulting other people in which case sex shouldn't matter and you should be equally mad with the heckler and the comedian.

edit: i feel like i tend to come off kind of aggressive, and i don't mean to, so hopefully you guys dont think im sitting over here like ARGH FUCK THESE GUYS, or whatever.
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if you call a woman heckler a cunt, you aren't necessarily calling all women cunts. you are just calling that woman a cunt. if you aren't the one being called a cunt a don't understand why you would be offended, unless you are just offended by people insulting other people in which case sex shouldn't matter and you should be equally mad with the heckler and the comedian.

well, The Big C has different meanings in different parts off the world but generally (definitely in the us) if it's directed at women specifically it is directed at all women because the word has nothing but negative and hateful meaning and is by definition female, and is a way of thinking about women that causes/enforces inequality and oppression. i mean this is a really basic point about prejudice/hate, and i could draw an easy comparison with pretty much any other kind right now but i won't because it always seems so dramatic and baiting. someone like bill hicks should have known better than to go off like that, and in a context like a comedy club where the levels of sexism are already ridiculous come on.

dropping a whore or slut or some stupid unexamined witless bullshit about their experiences or opinions regarding women is something almost every fucking stand up comedian does. i can't laugh at it anymore once they start with that. even some people i like go into it a bit - come to think of it, when dealing with hecklers or loudness - like neil hamburger will occasionally scream 'whore!' when telling someone in the audience to shut up and now he is playing this gross despicable character so it's a bit different but he's got to know just like i know that there are 50 guys in that room thinking 'woo! tell that bitch! gotta learn to keep her mouth shut.'.

actually i have never been to or seen a live stand up show where this exact problem didn't ruin my already middling enjoyment of the night. they just can't help themselves.
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yeah i get what you are saying. i just feel like it's like squares and parallelograms. you know all squares are parallelograms, not all parallelograms are squares. all cunts are women, not all women are cunts. but i guess what you intentions are with a word aren't as important as how it's actually perceived, and if you are gonna be a performer you should know that. it just doesn't particularly offend me because i think if you are a heckling then you are being a cunt (whether you are male or female).
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all cunts are women, not all women are cunts.

this would make the best standardized test question ever
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Doesn't cunt just mean vagina? Am I missing out on something here?
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yes.


also, if you are looking for some more comedy, hannibal buress just released his first album and it's pretty funny.
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Doesn't cunt just mean vagina? Am I missing out on something here?

it's a compliment when applied to a girl's eyes

edit: jesus been doin too much two's complement now i can't spell compliment
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how is the quote "supposedly" what you said. its a quote. go back and read what you wrote if you think i tampered with your words or something. also, i dont know what you mean by me "creating a straw man." you said that my interpretation of "dumb" was different than what you intended so all i was asking for was for you to clarify what you meant by dumb.
no t's not t's somethng you wrote and put n quotatons to mae t seem le  wrote t.  ddn't wrte "this isn't intellectual so its not funny." you dd!
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you guys should listen to derek and clive sometime. it is extremely respectful towards women.
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