Topic: What's on your mind 2010 the Next Generation (Read 170358 times)

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you know when news sites will report on something you probably know better about than they do (usually dumb tech stories, or whatever it is you know a lot about!), they tend to be either kind of lazy in their writing - making statements that aren't very accurate, stating the obvious, not really containing any interesting information - or just really wrong and badly written. i wonder if that low standard extends to more important areas of news, and i just can't detect how pathetic their news is, and how lowly they  pander in their presentation.
It's like that on pretty much all issues for the general news, although the BBC is better than most gigantic media companies in my experience.
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also crazy atheists that want to be selective when making a dumb generalisation

both as bad as each other and all that
Yeah, those athiests with their scientific educations, their generalisations are just pain insulting. In a way they scare me because I feel insecure and cry into my teddy at night.
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Caught you man. Caught you lookin'

Is the RC Church sending a chopper to my house? Am I gonna have to fight off some pope-ninjas?

I'm ready for them, laws yes. Using my powers of science I will destroy them all!
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what an odd post

edit: pair of posts
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I forget- is Lisa a vegetarian?
And Ed, you wear Lingerie :P ?
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what news network was that on (i have a feeling i know)

I think it was our local news but I'm sure it was on big networks too.
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Yeah, those athiests with their scientific educations, their generalisations are just pain insulting. In a way they scare me because I feel insecure and cry into my teddy at night.

I get where you're coming from concerning educated atheists, but not all atheists base their beliefs on scientific deductions or rationalisation. Here in the UK religions are really underrepresented amongst younger people, but quite a lot of them can't articulate their own beliefs on the matter - it's just a decision to them, just like the decision TO believe. Plus a lot of atheists I know have varying levels of belief in:

Ghosts.
Psychic powers.
Soul-mates.
Aliens.
Luck.
The significance of certain numbers.
End of the world predictions (most notably the Mayan shit).
Tarot cards.
Past-lives.
And so on, and so on.

All these beliefs are as irrational as the belief in G-d or religion, so I'm not judging them for believing that shit at all - that'd be pretty hypocritical of me. It's just the idea that all atheists are educated rationalists scoffing at their ignorant and ill-educated religious peers is really not true. There are people with incredibly shallow views on BOTH sides of the equation. Not all atheists use logic concerning their beliefs, in the same way that not all religious people believe just because their parents told them to.

Besides, religion and science aren't incompatible at all. Religious people are ALLOWED to get things wrong, and if science disproves some beliefs then so be it - those beliefs were based on folly. The world isn't five thousand years old you say? Wow, I guess we shouldn't take the Torah/Bible literally. Noah's ark couldn't possibly have held all the world's animals? I guess the story must be metaphorical then! I mean Orthodox Judaism is incompatible with change, in the same way that Catholicism claims papal infallibility so resists change also, but not all religious groups are like this at all.

I read a pretty good book recently called 101 Myths of the Bible. The author sets out to disprove many notions in the Tankah, putting a lot of the histories down to political manoeuvring by Israel and Judah, and showing where a lot of the stories in the Torah originated from. Orthodox Jews would consider the book pretty blasphemous I guess, but as they make up a small percentage of overall Jews (only 25% of the Jews of Israel for example - the most Jewish country you can get) it's not true that the majority of Jews just believe any old shit. The author of the book is a religious Jew btw, yet he's setting out to point out holes in his own faith - again, the stereotype that only atheists question things and use their rational logical minds to solve problems doesn't entirely ring true. Only a small percentage of people even contemplate what they believe in either case, the vast majority seem to just decide and then go through their lives content with it.
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Ghosts.
Psychic powers.
Soul-mates.
Aliens.
Luck.
The significance of certain numbers.
End of the world predictions (most notably the Mayan shit).
Tarot cards.
Past-lives.
And so on, and so on.

Can this please be the next track list for the GW Troubadours? It's perfect.

Also with regards to that comment on athiests I was just being sarcastic to geodude indirectly to prove an already redundant point.

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Fair enough XD!

I always feel the need to defend my crazy beliefs by attacking ghosts and numerology. HEY THOSE GUYS ARE CRAZY TOO WHY NOT HAVE A GO AT THEM!!!!!!!1!11!
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I just find it hard to take anyone seriously if I know they partake in some sort of religious practice. It just seems like a waste of time. If I knew someone who walked around town with a traffic cone on his head it would make more sense because that seems kinda fun. I could see myself doing that for a hoot. I don't think I'd take out a lifetime subscription.

It's okay if it doesn't get in the way.

Smoking dried leaves through a small paper tube is another strange habit of humans. As is the oranging of the skin. Why do we do these things?

Do you ever imagine what would happen to the alien version of David Attenborough making a film on our strange habits before putting the ship into reverse because it was more boring than big brother.

I'm glad I don't believe in something uninteresting and restrictive. I'm glad my parents didn't teach me that as my way of life. I'm so glad. I got lego and science books. Electronics kits and old tape machines to steal the LEDs from. I spent all my Sunday time designing things! They had me christened but that was just because other parents did that and they felt like they should.

Craziness is relative you know. I think the best kind is the one where you see that someone's genuine passion and 100% belief is in what they have learnt for science. This is why my best friend is my best friend because we are just like each other in that we believe the good thing to do in life is to continue the past work of others to help other people and that is science! I'm not saying religions don't help people, they program them to feel better and get along.

But how to act when someone is running a different program to yourself?

Ok I am going to bed now. THis persona is difficult to maintain.
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ed: loads of people who work in the sciences hold incredibly irrational beliefs that they refuse to budge on. for example, despite the fact that most real numbers are uncomputable, we insist that the universe is continuous through a series of mysterious arguments that attempt to show that it is impossible for it not to be. even if that means that we adopt a model of the universe that is impossible for us to make sense of. i guess the good thing about science is you're not typically kicked out immediately or punished for having heretical beliefs. i feel like it could get that way though. there's lots of stuff that scientists simple never expect to be corrected on and i kind of worry that if it remains unquestioned for long enough, it will just become dogma.

also, there are sort of humans attempting to pretend to be alien david attenboroughs. anthropologists try to make a scientific study of human cultures. except the hard postmodernists who think they've escaped science using bullshit. they come up with some really interesting results about economics and human universals (or lack thereof) e.g. http://law.ubalt.edu/downloads/law_downloads/IRC_Shakespeare_in_the_Bush.pdf
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That's a really great article actually. I wrote my thesis on Interpretation of Shakespeare in Other Cultures, with the emphasis on China, and you'd be amazed (probably not amazed but ok) at the differences that are read into the play. It's also amazing the amount of respect they have for him, even during periods where Western literature was being destroyed due to its corrupting influences and shit. OLD MAN SHA!

Ed: I get what you're saying, but again you kind of put in an assumption that religious people are religious because they were RAISED to be religious. I was totally spoiled as a kid, having pretty much anything I asked for (although I asked for videogames and toys rather than SCIENCE BOOKS - although I did have a science set at one point, bought for me by one of my crazy aunts), and was raised entirely secularly - I've never attended religious worship with either of my parents. No one taught me my current belief system - certain people helped me to put it into practice however.

 Besides, if you have an inquisitive and interested mind it doesn't matter what religion you were raised as - you'd find your own "truth" by analysing reality regardless of what your parents believed.

PS: I would join the cone religion in a second.
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ed there is a reason for everything or atleast there is reasoning for everything. even though an organized religion or certain practices might seem absurd to you you've got to think from the other perspective and atleast try to understand that persons reasoning.


If I do something then it is either an end to a means or my actions were a product of a train of thought. If you can grasp the train of thought and atleast get "why" it makes developing your own mindset or understanding of people and traditions alot easier. I think its helped make me a more understanding person, even though I still have pretty much the same convictions and come off like an unmmovable dickhead to the opposing side most of the time. I am still empathetic to what they think and even though I might hate it and think it ridiculous or whatever, least I got a grasp of what they think even if they can't even wrap their minds around what I'm thinking.
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lets look at religion though.

if you look at it from an objective viewpoint, people do still benefit from it in a earthly way. It can help moral alignment and contribute to selflessness. A way to socialize with other people on a different level then most, strengthening relationships ect... Most churches take part in some kind of charity effort and stuff like that. Even a further understanding of history on some level.

Its only when religion is taken too far. When people apply it to certain ideals that they shouldn't, rule of law, and force it upon others in a manner that is oppressive and restrictive. Thats when it gets dangerous and counter productive. If you keep your religion to yourself and those that share those beliefs yet offer to share if freely with nonbelievers but not preach to those that don't want to hear it, when you can understand people are different and thats ok. Thats when the most good can be done.

I can understand how that is hard though because turning selfrightous is just as easy as being a rotten bastard. You care too much or you don't care enough. I got a problem being self rightious sometimes I think, but I'm trying to lay back and realize that the world spins on its own and my hands aren't gonna make it go one way or another alone. Just gotta do what you can even if thats barely anything at all.
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idk, when I cared so much about this stuff was back when I had really terrible depression. not to say that's the case with you (and I seem to recall you making a post speaking out against anti-depressants) but you're not necessarily someone who has aspergers. or maybe you do idk you can't really tell online pretty much everyone acts the same way
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my sister thought that an actual zombie attack was going on because of this. she called my mom all freaked out.
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