Topic: What's on your mind 2010 the Next Generation (Read 170358 times)

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i was watching a 'the young turks' (idiots) video the other day and I realised they were zoning in on the exact sensationalised crap about herman cain and the other bunch that I have been.

WWOW....CHECK OUT THAT PAUSE....DOES HERMAN CAIN EVEN KNOW WHAT A COUNTRY IS....DID HE HAVE A BRAIN TRANSPLANT.

There's something very demoralising about not just that there is a huge group that can see something to support in not just a candidate like him but in the whole spectrum of candidates like him, but that my only response to it is to glibly giggle and snarl. It's just entertainment to me, but it's getting me down now.

This season of US Presidential Election has jumped the shark.
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i was watching a 'the young turks' (idiots) video the other day and I realised they were zoning in on the exact sensationalised crap about herman cain and the other bunch that I have been.

WWOW....CHECK OUT THAT PAUSE....DOES HERMAN CAIN EVEN KNOW WHAT A COUNTRY IS....DID HE HAVE A BRAIN TRANSPLANT.

Yeah it's awful and I'm getting tired of it too. What they should be doing is going through all those debates they've had point by point and explain why the GOP candidates' answers are so downright awful. They (mostly the alternative media, like TYT) do that too, to some degree, but there's really an unhealthy infatuation with the periphery.

To play devil's advocate, I think part of the reason is because there's practically nothing new coming out of these debates. They're all the same old tired platitudes and the candidates don't even make an effort to try and explain them. Maybe we'll see some more relevant discussions being brought up later on in the process.
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Yeah it's awful and I'm getting tired of it too. What they should be doing is going through all those debates they've had point by point and explain why the GOP candidates' answers are so downright awful. They (mostly the alternative media, like TYT) do that too, to some degree, but there's really an unhealthy infatuation with the periphery.

as long as it's the road to everybody looking like a-holes
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solution: do not pay attention to politics. ever. there is absolutely no point. i've never voted once in my life. never have, never will. all politicians are scum and voting is a crock of shit. man will never be free until the last politician is strangled by the entrails of the last gamer. if you want a vision of the future, imagine margaret thatcher sitting on a human face - forever. we are all terrible human beings just by virtue of being alive. we are all part of the capitalist machine and everything we've ever done and ever will do will either directly or indirectly support slavery, terrorism, neoliberalism and/or other forms of suffering and agony for innocent people in faraway lands. whether it's by paying your taxes or being a good lil' consumer (both of which are unavoidable if you want to be a functioning member of society). if you want to make the world a better place then either kill yourself or join the peace corps/some other volunteer program that helps the less fortunate and completely dedicate your life to that. anything else you do just causes more suffering and misery, doesn't matter which asshole gets elected or not.

ya i agree except for the last part. instead of joining the peace corps, make molotov cocktails and get ready to burn it all down
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I don't agree bc even while it says "do not pay attention to politics" it participates in the fantasy/illusion that both the world and the individual are controlled by and inseparable from politics, which is like theoretically being against capitalism but still possessing a capitalist interpretation of the world/believing in modernization theory. politics is a bunch of fat toddlers taking dumps in diapers, don't tell yourself anything different. just do your own thing while keeping this in mind AND be prepared to burn everything if it all goes to hell
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I think that politics is a necessary evil  and  as such I'm going to make certain I get it to work for me and not the other way around.  Merely  writing off the world as a sack of shit doesn't do any good. Even if you're unsatisfied with the current system it'll take action to put something else in its place.  I'm not of the mind that complete anarchy- as opposed to selective use of anarchy- is a viable alternative, at least for me.

Perhaps we should spin this off into another topic?
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If you really want folks to realize what you say then start talking to them- USING FACEBOOK IF NECESSARY..  I'm not completely grown up or non-idealistic but I've tempered it with some pragmatism . In between the hero and the villain is the anti-hero.

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I 'll diplomatically say that neither is Obama an angel nor is he a horrible person.  He's an ordinary human being who makes mistakes just like all of us. (True, presidential levels of power can often cause said mistakes to screw others over royally, but still . .  . only human.)

I must say I seem to get a sense of  unfocused and generalized anger from you. Find some way to use that anger and you'll move the world; let it implode and you'll destroy yourself.
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I 'll diplomatically say that neither is Obama an angel nor is he a horrible person.  He's an ordinary human being who makes mistakes just like all of us. (True, presidential levels of power can often cause said mistakes to screw others over royally, but still . .  . only human.)
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I must say I seem to get a sense of  unfocused and generalized anger from you. Find some way to use that anger and you'll move the world; let it implode and you'll destroy yourself.
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Terrorantula is 100% unironic btw
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you see some of them with like iphones and pea coats and scarves
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I don't agree bc even while it says "do not pay attention to politics" it participates in the fantasy/illusion that both the world and the individual are controlled by and inseparable from politics, which is like theoretically being against capitalism but still possessing a capitalist interpretation of the world/believing in modernization theory. politics is a bunch of fat toddlers taking dumps in diapers, don't tell yourself anything different. just do your own thing while keeping this in mind AND be prepared to burn everything if it all goes to hell
i was thinking of more of an insurrectionary anti-politics

how's that for a wooden shoe in ur discourse collegeman? ??? ??? ??? ?

but maybe anti-politics is a politics....... hmm all i know is my copy of society of the spectacle finally has all of its pages fused together with my cum. it'll be the first brick i throw once the rev kicks off
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who even knows. about anything. it's too big!!!
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it doesn't matter what we know, there's literally no future
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The working class, as the revolutionary body, do not require consciousness but a peculiar alignment of events, and a series of causes and effects which produces a specific economic crisis that ends up with workers holding the levers of production.

The revolution is in two stages. The first is this naked, non-conscious holding of productive power by the working class (that is to say, of course, it is conscious and some consequences are foreseen, there is a clearness of perception and a definite awareness of relative forces but there is no alignment with the archetypal codes of political consciousness: liberty, equality, fraternity"). We see that the working class arrive at this first level of revolution by force of circumstance. In defending their own interest in an increasingly unpredictable world, and with capitalists bailing out, they end up, almost by chance, in charge of the productive economy. We say that their brief period of ownership will occur by chance because it will not have been actively, or consciously pursued - the proletariat will have consistently asserted its own interest and this steady course, when taken with general economic breakdown, will be enough to cause a proletarian dictatorship.

A new material base will begin to come into existence at this point, and all human activity will be determined by, and be reflective of these different conditions. The second stage of revolution is made by the vast mass of humanity realising what the essential proletariat have achieved and then escaping through the hole created by events. The second phase is about becoming human and throwing off the economic model entirely, during this period the working class will cease to exist, as will all social categorisations, and humanity will organise both itself and its relationship to the material base by itself and for itself.

On the role of consciousness, of course, there is reflection and understanding of what is happening but it is not consciousness in the Marxist/Hegelian sense, which we characterise as the coordination of pre-set values among a great many people as a preliminary stage for engaging with the world. Therefore it is possible that a world-wide consciousness could come into existence because of revolution because consciousness is not a precondition of revolutionary action but a consequence of revolution accomplished.
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don't dis terrorantula. he's a nice guy. is he not entitled to his own avatar? and aaaaa isn't ryan is it? I didn't think ryan was pals with gz but the iphone stuff sounds a little like something he'd say
i was thinking of more of an insurrectionary anti-politics

how's that for a wooden shoe in ur discourse collegeman? ??? ??? ??? ?

but maybe anti-politics is a politics....... hmm all i know is my copy of society of the spectacle finally has all of its pages fused together with my cum. it'll be the first brick i throw once the rev kicks off
I don't understand anything in this post! I am an unworldly college babby, I'm not being sarcastic. wooden shoe is a bookstore in the suburb-punk part of town. and why does that second post sound like it was written by a 60s/70s modernist
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a wooden shoe is called a sabot and the term sabotage came from when workers would throw their wooden shoes into the machinery to fuck it up
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the second post is an excerpt from a book called nihilist communism which kinda rehashes old council-communist positions with a pessimistic spin. the whole book is a critique of "consciousness raising" practices and the conception that revolution is made by convincing enough people that they need to revolt. it's the best critique of the left ever

its written by two UK postal workers who use a french pseudonym and its specifically addressing a very small audience of big dumb dorks like me who are into post-68 marxist ultraleft theory so we can feel comfortable about drinking expensive lattes, wearing pea coats, and playing with our iphones because it doesn't fucking matter what we do.
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I knew you were half-joking with the commie posts but I didn't get the american psycho reference. I don't want terrorantula to feel bad tho.
the second post is an excerpt from a book called nihilist communism which kinda rehashes old council-communist positions with a pessimistic spin. the whole book is a critique of "consciousness raising" practices and the conception that revolution is made by convincing enough people that they need to revolt. it's the best critique of the left ever

its written by two UK postal workers who use a french pseudonym and its specifically addressing a very small audience of big dumb dorks like me who are into post-68 marxist ultraleft theory so we can feel comfortable about drinking expensive lattes, wearing pea coats, and playing with our iphones because it doesn't fucking matter what we do.
oh. the conscious non-conscious thing sounds like an early Halprin writing except about communism and the revolution rather than communal behavior/design
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consciousness is a specific category in a lot of marxisms and generally has its roots in leninism particularly what is to be done where he talks about how workers are only capable of 'trade unionist' consciousness and in order to get a revolutionary consciousness they need the rag-tag party vanguard of enlightened radical intelligentsia that's scrappy and rough around the edges but means well(i.e. what every che-shirt wearing dork with soviet antique pins on their hammer n sickle messenger bag imagine they are while peeing in their own mouth and/or selling the socialist newspapers on the the streetcorner)

maybe its related to halprin becuz modernism was poppin off hardcore arouind the same time idk
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