Well I think humans are fairly flexible in what they are capable of (truly) understanding, but... the problem is that we don't tend to actually do it until we hit a situation where we really need to, and then it's kind of traumatic, like breaking through a wall in your mind (or else you've spent a long, long time soaking it in) and until then, yeah, I think what the mind does is more like recounting the details of a story it's been told than making a perception about reality
 
I mean I think there IS something to what the dude is saying, but it's probably something like: You might assume things like bias and delusion and other forms of "broken" perception are a pure disadvantage weakening and destroying us, like cancer or a crippling addiction, but it should be understood that while dangerous they are also a necessary part of the evolutionary toolbelt.  .....Doesn't sell as well though

 
there was an article somewhere (linked from here?) that supposedly shrooms etc. slow down your brain rather than make it more active? Like your brain is working less hard to 'filter' things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV1TlyOhXMs
 
if it was the 'z' key it'd kinda be too perfect

All this talk on reality and our perception got me thinking about Flatland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfglluny8Z0

The movie adaptation is so-so but it gets the point across.

oh yeah for the record I guess I /can/ taste colors, but it must correspond/be directly linked to the age I was when the game boy color was around. Those specific kind of pastels combined with how clear the screen was compared to anything I had seen otherwise at the time. Maybe that's why I think steven universe is kind of phony, cause it almost achieves that effect with these super-specific color shades but doesn't quite get it???? And without that effect it just kind of feels like throwing JRPG tropes around at random 2 me

not saying that u would have to have synesthesia or whatever or although it does feel like a weird inside joke to me that you could /get/ or not... but like if the color palette wasn't so super-specific in the first place I don't think it would bother me as much that it falls short for me

not saying that u would have to have synesthesia or whatever or although it does feel like a weird inside joke to me that you could /get/ or not... but like if the color palette wasn't so super-specific in the first place I don't think it would bother me as much that it falls short for me

 
Yeah, it's weird alright. It's not like they intended to make Steven Universe to generate that sensation for you specifically, but because that's how you perceive the relationship between those kinds of colors, you get the impression that that's what the show needs to do for you, and find disappointment in how it falls short of achieving that effect fully in your own mind.
 
It makes me think of my friend that gripes about how The Force Awakens was treated. Like in his mind, Star Wars as a setting invoked very specific feelings of discovery and nuance the very first time he watched it. Because of that, he was especially offended at how the newest movie never really tried to explore anything, takes risks, or introduce any new concepts. (He was also really into the narrative brought on by the previous novels that were "third trilogy canon" before George Lucas was bought out, but whenever he tries to explain the "plot" of it to me, I just see it as even more contrived and arbitrary than ANYTHING Abrhams could have come up with. Sure it means a lot to HIM, but in my mind I just see it as his own imagination reading far more into the text than was actually there... Despite me never actually READING the text firsthand)
TFA never really bothered me none, mainly because I always saw Star Wars as something not made for any one specific person, but rather deliberately appeals to what the largest number of people can connect and identify with. I don't think that's a bad goal for science fiction to have, but I can't help but be offended personally by how well it was accomplished. I always look to science fiction to be deliberately challenging to my own ideas and perceptions, and Star Wars constantly disappoints me at every level for failing to rise to that challenge. (The only vaguely interesting idea that setting ever offered was the idea of how "spirituality" might evolve parallel to technology if left going for thousands and thousands of years, but even that notion is so distilled and contrived that I find it even more insulting as a premise)
 
It's just funny because we both saw the series fail at one point or another to give us what we both had in common for wanting out of it, but the only difference is how we perceived that initial iteration of it, in terms of what it meant to accomplish for us personally, and how that initial impression colored our own perception of literally everything that came thereafter.

I thought the scene where what's her name is exploring those ruins was surprisingly evocative for jjabrams star wars sequel but yeah that was like two seconds of the movie but I could see it being sort of ineffable experience if you were a kid.
 
was the show Fringe any good? cause that was jj abrams and kind of answer to the x-files I guess? I'd have to watch both but chris carter and jj abrams are good parallels because i never got the impression chris carter knew what he was doing/knew how to end series but was still effective anyway imo??? then again chris carter might actually believe his storylines to some extent?? (new x-files series apparently had a fake alex jones type character). yeah that's the impression i get jj abrams is a perfect rational logical dude trying to make wacky sci-fi storylines? and I don't think he takes it as more than being storyteller/is fairly talented at mystery aesthetic/making things that are 'mysterious' but it's just like he knows how to tickle that funny bone in people and doesn't have much to say??
 
maybe he's gotten better over the years but i think like Lost Cloverfield etc. when i hear his name
 
anybody ever watch any brian eno interviews? because I think he's hella good guy at creating atmosphere/mystery and doesn't seem inauthentic but he's hella articulate and seems like he could verbalize his entire thought process behind making music if he needed to?? Like he seems like the only weirdmusic dude ever to be that way/not acting on some instinct/impossible thought process

was the show Fringe any good? 

yes

My main problems with E7 are the way the story tried to pack in plot beats from the entire original trilogy, making the film seem kind of rushed, and the way the villains were portrayed as some sort of angry remnant of the empire didn't quite match the level of threat the movie was trying to portray them as.

Quote from: Ragnar on May 07, 2016, 02:43:55 am

was the show Fringe any good? 

yes

 
I don't remember much from watching it, but I do distinctly recall that I enjoyed whatever it was I saw. 

I thought the scene where what's her name is exploring those ruins was surprisingly evocative for jjabrams star wars sequel but yeah that was like two seconds of the movie but I could see it being sort of ineffable experience if you were a kid.

anybody ever watch any brian eno interviews? because I think he's hella good guy at creating atmosphere/mystery and doesn't seem inauthentic but he's hella articulate and seems like he could verbalize his entire thought process behind making music if he needed to?? Like he seems like the only weirdmusic dude ever to be that way/not acting on some instinct/impossible thought process

RE Force Awakens, Yeah I thought literally in same beats, that the beginning scene was for a moment nice. The rest of the movie was pretty much JJ Abrhamas [sic]/modern movie stuff.
 
Im just gonna quote dat brian eno bit there as a reminder cos if ragnar likes him a bit then maybe i should give him more of a serious go. i'm like okay with his thoughts in general and interviews but it's nothing special afai seen.
 

It makes me think of my friend that gripes about how The Force Awakens was treated. Like in his mind, Star Wars as a setting invoked very specific feelings of discovery and nuance the very first time he watched it. Because of that, he was especially offended at how the newest movie never really tried to explore anything, takes risks, or introduce any new concepts. (He was also really into the narrative brought on by the previous novels that were "third trilogy canon" before George Lucas was bought out, but whenever he tries to explain the "plot" of it to me, I just see it as even more contrived and arbitrary than ANYTHING Abrhams could have come up with. Sure it means a lot to HIM, but in my mind I just see it as his own imagination reading far more into the text than was actually there... Despite me never actually READING the text firsthand)
TFA never really bothered me none, mainly because I always saw Star Wars as something not made for any one specific person, but rather deliberately appeals to what the largest number of people can connect and identify with. I don't think that's a bad goal for science fiction to have, but I can't help but be offended personally by how well it was accomplished. I always look to science fiction to be deliberately challenging to my own ideas and perceptions, and Star Wars constantly disappoints me at every level for failing to rise to that challenge. (The only vaguely interesting idea that setting ever offered was the idea of how "spirituality" might evolve parallel to technology if left going for thousands and thousands of years, but even that notion is so distilled and contrived that I find it even more insulting as a premise)

 
I see what you are hinting there mate. ;-) I think the problem is that sometimes nerds and really all ppl don't really know for sure what makes a good media... like what are the parts that make a movie specifically good in it's own specific way... but they can at least instinctually or generally feel when something is done right when they experience it... well, at least some portion of experiencers can.
 
for example, original trilogy certainly has some good shit going on in there (i won't go in too much about it here), but that doesn't mean the books got it right etc... just like how you vibed ur dude's take on the books.
 
it's very hard to articulate what makes a good movie (at least, what made that specific media in past so good as it is). I've gotten pretty good at it /to myself specifically/ but try as i might, i may never really convincingly explain what makes shit good as it is. it's also really wordy and cumbersome sometimes to analyze and explain out the specific parts, which already gives it a disavantage of " doesn't sound intuitive, ergo it's not correct most likely " - bias. for example, i'm already messing that part up!!!!!!!!! eff my life. *SPIT*
 
and yeah i sorta think SW (star wars or salt world...) was simultaenously a Indiana Jones - type of action movie, with some strong esthetic-exploration-mystery type of elements in there. Indiana Jones meets Dune or 2001. it does the latter better than dune or aliens etc tho, that was part of the strong draw of SW for me as a kid.

Quote from: Ragnar on May 07, 2016, 02:43:55 am

Im just gonna quote dat brian eno bit there as a reminder cos if ragnar likes him a bit then maybe i should give him more of a serious go. i'm like okay with his thoughts in general and interviews but it's nothing special afai seen.

 
sorry I didn't mean he's the most articulate guy ever but in the realm of weirdelectromusicguys he kind of is? meanwhile there's that interview with autechre where the guy is picking his nose the entire interview

Quote from: bonzi_buddy on May 07, 2016, 10:15:47 am

 

Quote from: Ragnar on May 07, 2016, 02:43:55 am

Im just gonna quote dat brian eno bit there as a reminder cos if ragnar likes him a bit then maybe i should give him more of a serious go. i'm like okay with his thoughts in general and interviews but it's nothing special afai seen.

 
sorry I didn't mean he's the most articulate guy ever but in the realm of weirdelectromusicguys he kind of is? meanwhile there's that interview with autechre where the guy is picking his nose the entire interview

ahhaha well if you put it THAT WAY....

yeah oblique strategies is great, I want to make something like that someday but more surreal