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You cannot effectively change the way people think. I definitely do not want to be pulled into this black hole of an argument again where everything I say makes me a "terrible piece of shit".

That argument you keep railing at. that desire to change peoples concepts of male and female and how people present themselves about it, you can't change that. Somebody compared activism in the civil rights movement to your arguments. They're not the same. You want to change a perception, the civil rights movement wanted to change action. The fact that a people were physically (PHYSICALLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART) being segregated and divided, forced to be treated like animals by legislation and law enforcement.

Thats not the same as your argument. You want to phase out hurtful words and concepts. This can't and won't happen. Maybe you don't see this shit, maybe thats the problem and I'm probably wasting my fucking time again because I hate this goddamn argument. you people are just as terrible as any fundamentalists or racists with your pre-concieved notions of who is priviledged and who isn't. That is a goddamn defense mechinism argument and it only belittles the person your speaking to and invalidates their arguments. Its petty as shit and if you wanna talk about childish, that is fucking childish

Racism still hasn't stopped and it won't. The FCC and most lawmakers have pretty much stopped most blatant forms of it being presented in media and in the workplace. But every single ignorant piece of shit will still go home mutter and sling the word "nigger" and lace their "new world" politics with hidden racism. Because thats what they are and they choose to not give a fuck. That is their right.

You cannot change that. You can have it where they're fined or locked up or ostracized but if they want to hate you or say stupid shit, they're gonna do it. Fuck, you can make it hard as hell to where the only time they can voice that terrible shit is in their dreams but the minute they get the chance. The minute they can find a way to validate their arguments or catch you alone where no one is going to hear it and protect you from it, its going to come out. And guess what? You'll be weaker then.

Because you got what you wanted, mysogyny is over. There is no black and white, no men or women, no rich or poor everyones perfectly equal and the same. You get to live that boring ass sheltered life with no "bitches" or "cunts" or "dicks" or "faggots". Shit you won't know hatred, you won't know how to defend yourself from it or how to react responsibly to it. And when you hear that shit again, when those fucked up pieces of shit get to come back out (because they will eventually thats a part of who we are) you REALLY won't know what to do again and it WILL fuck you up. If not you then your children because just like your generation is dealing with right now they will be far weaker they will not know how to deal with terrible ass things and terrible ass people when the time comes because you got what you wanted.

Go ahead and use this as an argument for mysogyny or tell me what the fuck you think I am. I honestly don't give a shit. You have absolutely no right to tell anyone what they think. You have absolutely no right to call someone something like that when you don't know them. You're weak. I sit here and watch you pick out words and fucking cry about it and argue about it. I'm damn sure you don't do that shit in real life. I'm damn sure you sit there every day with your mouth shut and you don't say shit because you're afraid people will gang up on you and tell you how ignorant and terrible you are just like you're doing right now.

Being a woman doesn't give you fuck all right to act like that. You're just spreading some kind of miltant nuetral gender perception of identity which is counteractive to human existance. Its fucking robotic. Its anti-emotional. Its plastic. Don't muddle my opinions with disdain for shit either because you don't fucking know me.



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I'm done with this place though, atleast for awhile.

Its dead here. Its boring. No one has anything interesting to say anymore or to talk about or to discuss. Its this constant cycle of intellectual persecution and belittlement. If its not that its stupid ass obscure early 90s pixelated images or some mundane bullshit. All the people that brought flavor to this place are gone and the only thing left is your insulting ass rhetoric. None of you think for yourselves anymore. No more personal opinions. You're all the same goddamn person and anyone else is terrible. Its disgusting.

bye bye and yeah good riddance for me you get to sit here and keep on with this shit to whomever forgets why this place sucks ass now and decides to comeback for a very brief stint.
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i don't have time to address your whole post right now so bear that in mind because what i'm about to say is totally minor compared to what you're asking.  here it goes:  don't refer to people as "males" and "females".  you can use those words as adjectives (male baseball player, for example), but don't call people males or females or a female or w/e because it's dehumanizing as fuck and it's also a HUGE red flag for misogynists.  seriously, go read something written by an MRA they will almost exclusively refer to women as females.  so avoid doing this.

So there's a significant difference between calling a gender females or women you're saying? I thought this was pretty innocent. I get when people say it like "me and my female are doing this or whatever" but otherwise really? Dehumanizing seems extreme
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nevermind i see it was addressed since i wrote the post
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is there a way we can get around this without having to argue about feminism in every topic. maybe do it over pm or something. im not saying its not important but otherwise so many topics will just turn into the same thing. cause its mostly males in a lol gaming community so they are probably often going to say things wrong that need to be addressed but at the same time we dont want to ruin every topic either. just saying
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Reblog if you're counteractive to human existence
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wait a minute

is this real

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“Does this mean you’re going to make love to me tonight, Christian?” Holy shit. Did I just say that? His mouth drops open slightly, but he recovers quickly.
“No, Anastasia it doesn’t. Firstly, I don’t make love. I fuck… hard. Secondly, there’s a lot more paperwork to do, and thirdly, you don’t yet know what you’re in for. You could still run for the hills. Come, I want to show you my playroom.”
My mouth drops open. Fuck hard! Holy shit, that sounds so… hot. But why are we looking at a playroom? I am mystified.
“You want to play on your Xbox?” I ask. He laughs, loudly.
“No, Anastasia, no Xbox, no Playstation. Come.”… Producing a key from his pocket, he unlocks yet another door and takes a deep breath.
“You can leave anytime. The helicopter is on stand-by to take you whenever you want to go, you can stay the night and go home in the morning. It’s fine whatever you decide.”
“Just open the damn door, Christian.”
He opens the door and stands back to let me in. I gaze at him once more. I so want to know what’s in here. Taking a deep breath I walk in.
And it feels like I’ve time-traveled back to the sixteenth century and the Spanish Inquisition.
Holy fuck.
 ? E.L. James, Fifty Shades of Grey
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“Let me ask you something first. Do you want a regular vanilla relationship with no kinky fuckery at all?"
  My mouth drops open. "Kinky fuckery?" I squeak.
  "Kinky fuckery."
  "I can't believe you said that.'
  "Well, I did. Answer me," he says calmly.
  I flush. My inner goddess is down on bended knee with her hands clasped in supplication begging me.
  "I like your kinky fuckery," I whisper.”
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“He grabs me suddenly and yanks me up against him, one hand at my back holding me to him and the other fisting in my hair.
"You're one challenging woman," He kisses me, forcing my lips apart with his tongue, taking no prisoners.
"It's taking all my self-control not to fuck you on the hood of this car, just to show you that you're mine, and if I want to buy you a fucking car, I'll buy you a fucking car," he growls.”
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Yes Sir, Mr. Draper
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“His head turns fractionally toward me, his eyes darkest slate. I bite my lip.
“Oh, fuck the paperwork,” he growls. He lunges at me, pushing me against the wall of the elevator. Before I know it, he’s got both of my hands in one of his in a vice-like grip above my head, and he’s pinning me to the wall using his hips. Holy shit. His other hand grabs my ponytail and yanks down, bringing my face up, and his lips are on mine. It’s only just not painful. I moan into his mouth, giving his tongue an opening. He takes full advantage, his tongue expertly exploring my mouth. I have never been kissed like this.”
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Incidentally, I have also written a story where a character forwent paperwork for sex

So what I'm saying is E.L.J. is a fucking thief.

And I'm floored.

By this fuckery.
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“He's naked except for those soft ripped jeans, top button casually undone. Jeez, he looks so freaking hot.  My subconscious is frantically fanning herself, and my inner goddess is swaying and writhing to some primal carnal rhythm.”

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“No. No!” he says.
“I . . .” He looks wildly around the room. For inspiration? For divine intervention? I don’t know.

“You can’t go. Ana, I love you!”
“I love you, too, Christian, it’s just—”
“No . . . no!” he says in desperation and puts both hands on his head. “Christian . . .”
“No,” he breathes, his eyes wide with panic, and suddenly he drops to his knees in front of me, head bowed, long-fingered hands spread out on his thighs. He takes a deep breath and doesn’t move. What?
“Christian, what are you doing?”
He continues to stare down, not looking at me.
“Christian! What are you doing?”
My voice is high-pitched. He doesn’t move.
“Christian, look at me!” I command in panic. His head sweeps up without hesitation, and he regards me passively with his cool gray gaze—he’s almost serene . . . expectant.
Holy Fuck . . . Christian. The submissive.”
any of these could be fake and I wouldn't know
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“This is a man in need. His fear is naked and obvious, but he's lost. . . Somewhere in his darkness.
His eyes wide and bleak and tortured. I can soothe him. Join him briefly in the darkness and bring him into the light.”
I am the healer, the yang to your yin, let me rub ointment all over your skateboarding injuries, spike your volleyball into my head so hard it gives me a concussion
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did you really just argue that a) raising awareness for something is wrong and b) that we should be forever ignorant and c) that we cant change people through education and d) that its just physical not about behavior.
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“You know, you’re topping from the bottom,” he murmurs against my lips.
“What?” I don’t understand what he’s talking about.
“Don’t worry. I’ll live with it,” he whispers, amused...”

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“You know, you’re topping from the bottom,” he murmurs against my lips.
“What?” I don’t understand what he’s talking about.
“Google” he whispers, amused...”
“Urban Dictionary” he whispers, amused...”
“Wikipedia” he whispers, amused...”
“Do you...Yahoo?” he whispers, amused...”
“Ask Jeeves” he whispers, amused...”
“Bing and you're done” he whispers, amused...”
“Cruel Site of the Day” he whispers, amused...”
"The BOTTOM 1% of the Web" he whispers, amused...”
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did you really just argue that a) raising awareness for something is wrong and b) that we should be forever ignorant and c) that we cant change people through education and d) that its just physical not about behavior.
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a) raising awareness for something is wrong and

not one person here lacks awareness of mysogyny. They are perfectly aware of it and she's railing on that shit to the point of unhealthy obsession. Complete condemnation and defensiveness of petty word usage and concepts of gender. It is really really really really annoying. regardless of who in the hell is saying it female or male (oh shit I did just do that). Its annoying in the first place and the fact that she uses her womanhood to devalue the opinions of others and persistantly force condescending arguments on everyone else because they've got a penis and they're priveledged is even worse. Its fucking terrible. I cannot understand how A) you people can sit here and accept her saying that shit and B) go along with it and propel her arguments.

Fuck if you want to sit on the internet and do that shit then go to an all women forum where you can actually talk to people who can argue with you. Here, you're just trying to provoke people into an argument where you can act shitty to anyone who disagrees. I sat here and tried to ignore your bullshit while you kept trying to goad me into an argument.

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b) that we should be forever ignorant

No one on here is ignorant. Saying that is shitty. Fuck, the fact that just about if not everyone on here displays a base amount of concern and knowledge about the issue itself shows otherwise.

the index calling the ringfinger an asshole is detrimental to what actually even matters, what they're both pointing at.

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c)that we cant change people through education

If you want to educate someone you have to A) realize if that person is even willing to learn and B) talk to them on a relatable level. Saying THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD THINK BECAUSE ANY OTHER WAY IS IMMORAL AND WHAT YOU THINK DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE YOU GOT IT EASY doesn't do jack shit but get you completely ignored and despised.

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d) that its just physical not about behavior.

I'd fucking love if everyone got along just dandy and didn't treat each other like shit but its a part of life. Animals do it, people do it, fuck even plants do it. Bigger tree sucks the sun from the smaller one. Of course an enlightened person can learn to change that train of thought and pursue different behavior but you telling them to won't make that happen. Its something they have to realize for themselves.

Personal preservation, independance, and resiliance are some of the most important human traits. By demanding society conform to what you personally want. By commanding people to change because you don't like it. That shit wears those things away, it devalues them, and people are far less likely to realize them.

Its kind of the same vein of thinking as public smoking, loud noises, stupid thoughts and expression are a form of pollution. If you want to change all these things, change all these people. Whats public anymore? Wheres your freedom? How do you learn to realize what you should and shouldn't expose yourself to? Its no ones right to clean those things up for you.

To me thats just as bad as the fundamentalist right wanting to constrict the actions of homosexuals or make kids pray in schools or tell women what they can or can't do to their bodies. Its the other side of the same damn coin. If you want your right to do certain shit you have to respect the other viewpoint. Even if its dumb.

And I'm going between saying trying to change people that don't want to be changed is wrong and flooding this forum in feminist pre-conceptions and personal vendettas with closed ears is wrong. I know it. They're pretty much unrelated.

It goes back to intent. This is a place for education and understanding right? Then if you want to actually talk to people then you've got to make an effort to understand their intent. Fuck if I'm not gonna use every single word I can find to express what I think or wanna say. If you don't like it, then ignore it. Kaworu didn't call anyone a cunt but himself. He used the damn word. Oh fuck if it ain't my right to say that I don't care. By railing on that stuff you're limiting language and expression if you really want genders to not matter then the best way to deal with that shit is to understand its how people speak not what they say or who is saying it.
 
"You can't know what people intend" is a bullshit argument too. Thats the very first element of language and the whole reason said shit exists. If someone says something and you don't know what it means then ask them to clarify but I'm PRETTY SURE everyone here is more than capable of that and this language policing goddamn net crusader shit is awful, draining, and incredibly boring.
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Calling someone a bitch and saying the word aren't the same. You'd realistically go out on the street and hear some dude call his gf that, you might say something you might not. But I can bet you not a soul on here would say fuck all to a dude using it in emphasis or a woman using it towards another woman or in emphasis.

Its not right. Its shitty. People do it. Language has turned a derogatory word in to commonplace description. Thats what its become though, for decades. I'm not saying its not anyones right to say it sucks and hope someone listens but if they don't give a shit or think different what do you do? keep going like anyone else would. Cus you can't change the world no matter how much you want to. Or you can just keep pissing into the wind until its all over you, everyone else and you run flat out of piss.
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