Topic: How do you feel now that Obamacare was ruled constitutional? (Read 9955 times)

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i know that's got nothin to do with the argument at hand but i'm not even about to get involved in this trainwreck here
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Dada, I swear to god if you post "equality" one more time I'll enter netherlands as a refugee and make you pay for my food and housing all while  contributing nothing. I'll claim I'm fleeing homophobia. It will work and you'll have to work for me for free for the rest of your life.
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I regret ever putting in an ounce of effort because you don't care one bit about being reasonable and listening and intelligently responding to things I have to say. All you care about is turning other people's arguments into caricatures. You've been doing that since the very beginning. You're not serious at all.

And aside from that you're a pretty awful individual. First you're denouncing the horrors of me being replaced by "an obese woman of color", now you're claiming political immigrants who fled due to domestic persecution are just lazy bastards who only want to mooch off of the native population. I'm not too surprised that a fan of the ol' racist grandpa Ron Paul has some serious bigotry problems of his own.
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Coincidentally I just read this article by Chomsky which I'd recommend to you if I thought you were capable of committing an honest effort towards trying to understand things. Instead I'm going to recommend it to everybody else. It's about the inherent myopia and hypocrisy in mainstream discussions of communism, exactly of the sort that you have demonstrated.
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No Dada, I go into lenghty and detailed rants exposing your insanity and why it is insane with simple examples. You're the one who would rather nitpick, ignore entire paragraphs all while trying to make me feel sorry for the proletariat and, through some inane and convoluted logic, interpret a clear personal threat as this


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you're claiming political immigrants who fled due to domestic persecution are just lazy bastards who only want to mooch off of the native population.


I haven't done that! I made a direct and clear personal threat to your person. Say 'equality' one more time and I'll drag your entire country to the gutter. I have nothing to lose. In fact, moving to the netherlands and living off welfare would greatly improve my condition because then I wouldn't have to struggle to get out of "wage slavery". I'll make you my slave instead. How would you like that? How would you like to work in order feed someone who is a fan of racist granddad ron paul? I'll make sure to bring my family too.


I dare you Dada. I double dare you. Say 'equality' ONE MORE GODDAMNED TIME.
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I WILL DESTROY YOUR CONTINENT.
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wow libtard you say retarded a lot.

you;re really gross you know that.

I did something I regret doing, nevermind
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Dada will see his entire country turn into a fetid pile of debris and ruins and he won't be able to do anything because he'll be too busy waiting for the state to fix it, but it won't.
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Cynicism. If it's properly implemented, socialism can work. Capitalism requires a shit ton of regulations and programs, many of which are socialistic, to keep corruption from happening,


Well, yeah, no, in fact state programs are a surefire way to lose a lot of money to corruption and in fact a true capitalistic society can only work in the absence of corruption, which is impossible (as is socialism). The most successful quasi-capitalistic societies in the real world are necessarily those where corruption (or at least perceived corruption) is kept at a minimum.


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and no purely capitalist society is healthy, it's always a few people manipulating the system to get way more money than they could ever possibly use and then hoarding it,


No, capitalism is about accumulating useful material resources (heavy machinery, minerals, skilled people). Money itself isn't worth anything.


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directly keeping money out of circulation and making the everybody else poorer.


That doesn't even make any fucking sense. Zimbabwe has a shitload of money in circulation. Are they any richer because of that?


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This is happening right now, and it's fueled by capitalism.


It's fueled by stupidity and blind faith in empty promises of equality and change.

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The only reason I can guess why you would support this kind of thing is that you have grand hopes of gaming the system yourself and "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" (on the backs of other people). Every single person I know in real life who if ultra pro-capitalism anti-socialism talks about it in between talking about their latest get scheme to get rich.


I'm actually hoping to do that. I don't want to be a drone my entire life. I don't want to work my ass off so a bunch of useless leftist politicians who never exerted any amount of effort in their entire lives get to eat and drink for free stuff I'll probably never have access to.
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I'm starting to regret registering here and making this thread, but it was kinda fun
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No Dada, I go into lenghty and detailed rants exposing your insanity and why it is insane with simple examples. You're the one who would rather nitpick, ignore entire paragraphs all while trying to make me feel sorry for the proletariat and, through some inane and convoluted logic, interpret a clear personal threat as this

Hey remember when you equated socialism with totalitarianism with zero evidence, and then proceeded to do it again and again despite ample evidence to the contrary?
Remember when you kept misinterpreting the word "equality" to mean something completely different than its general meaning (which everybody else understood), and then proceeded to attack your own mischaracterization?
Remember when you said climate change should happen and destroy the world to "teach people a lesson"?
Remember when you said the gambling at Wall Street didn't affect anyone except those traders, completely ignoring the fact the global economy just completely exploded a few years ago?
Remember when you tried to paint rich capitalists as a force for good because "BILL GATES!!!" and "leftist leaders" as evil because STALIN/MAO!!!!!
Remember when you tried to "prove" that socialism is unwanted because people don't spontaneously start collectives inside of the capitalist system?
Remember when you said you didn't even have to reply to me because "I'm just sloganeering"?

You're not arguing, you're just writing words that mean nothing. It's typical right-libertarian pseudo-profundity from someone who admits he doesn't know a thing about economy but still adores the Austrian school and enjoys spouting stupid caricatures of Marx and actually blaming HIM for arbitrary mass murders that occurred long after he died. You're not seriously interested in solving problems or figuring things out. Everything you write is intellectually vacuous, and I'm sure the only reason you went away for a little while was to visit Reddit to harvest some new arguments to use, because you obviously don't like to do any of that hard thinking stuff by yourself.

I'm glad you regret registering, but at the very least you managed to accomplish one thing: you've reconfirmed my observation that right-libertarians are a bunch of charlatans who use discussions like this one as an opportunity to echo their favorite lines without thinking too much about them.
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See, it's stuff like this:

Dada will see his entire country turn into a fetid pile of debris and ruins and he won't be able to do anything because he'll be too busy waiting for the state to fix it, but it won't.

Is this a serious argument? Is there an actual thought going on here? Is there a shred of intellectual prowess on display here? Is it in any way relevant to anything I've ever said?

I'm sure you regret registering because this isn't /r/libertarian and you can't get away with stuff like this in here. You have to actually give a valid explanation whenever you make a point, and you don't. You didn't do it here, and you didn't do it in any of your lengthy rants. You're a charlatan who likes to hear himself talk, and you've gotten frustrated because that sort of thing doesn't work here.

This thing I quoted actually literally goes against something I myself have argued against. You're arguing against a caricature. I've told you this again and again, but you keep doing it. That's not the attitude of someone who's seriously interested in a reasoned discourse.
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I'm starting to regret registering here and making this thread, but it was kinda fun

oh well as long as you had fun all your bigoted nonsense is totally worthwhile

oh wait !!!
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Hey remember when you equated socialism with totalitarianism with zero evidence, and then proceeded to do it again and again despite ample evidence to the contrary?


Are 100 million dead people not enough evidence for you?


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Remember when you kept misinterpreting the word "equality" to mean something completely different than its general meaning (which everybody else understood), and then proceeded to attack your own mischaracterization?


Yeah, equality doesn't mean equivalence at all it actually means [something ][/something]. Who is making up definitions now?


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Remember when you said climate change should happen and destroy the world to "teach people a lesson"?


No, I said it already is happening. Don't worry. You'll do absolutely fucking nothing about it. This doesn't concern you. It concerns us, rugged industrialists. We will have to find out a way to rectify the mess you created by desiring inexpensive consumer products. You caused this by wanting macbook pros.


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Remember when you said the gambling at Wall Street didn't affect anyone except those traders, completely ignoring the fact the global economy just completely exploded a few years ago?


The global economy exploded a few years ago due to governments creating easy credit to "help poor people buy houses and consume and boost the economy" you belligerent stupid fuck, go do your fucking research rather than sit on your chair blaming everything on capitalism when that is clearly not the case to anyone who would bother doing something besides fantasizing about human-anthills


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Remember when you tried to paint rich capitalists as a force for good because "BILL GATES!!!" and "leftist leaders" as evil because STALIN/MAO!!!!!


Wrong again motherfucker, the point of that was proving that capitalists aren't necessarily evil, but leftist leaders necessarily are. Remember how Obama said he'd bring back the troops in Iraq? How he takes credit for killing binladen, all while not giving credit to business owners? Does that sound GOOD to you?


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Remember when you tried to "prove" that socialism is unwanted because people don't spontaneously start collectives inside of the capitalist system?


Except they do, you stupid communist piece of shit. You're free to do that in a capitalist system. You're not free to start your own personal enterprise in a communist system because muh equality.


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Remember when you said you didn't even have to reply to me because "I'm just sloganeering"?


Despite actually replying it, it was only when you started repeating yourself that I decided not to do that


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You're not arguing, you're just writing words that mean nothing.


HERP DERP THINK ABOUT THE SINGLE MOTHERS SUPPORTING A FAMILY OF 9 DON'T YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM EQUALITIES? What is that, if not a cheap appeal to emotion that means nothing?


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It's typical right-libertarian pseudo-profundity from someone who admits he doesn't know a thing about economy but still adores the Austrian school and enjoys spouting stupid caricatures of Marx and actually blaming HIM for arbitrary mass murders that occurred long after he died.


It's typical of little communist shits such as yourself to have even stronger opinions on economy and to claim to know how everything should be and how everything would be better in your imaginary society, all while having no fucking clue about anything in general. You're a complete lunatic. You're criminally insane. The only thing stopping you from being a mass murderer and a thief is the strength of your own cowardice (as is the case with most reds). Also, wasn't it you who wanted to learn economic concepts from FUCKING DAS KAPITAL?


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You're not seriously interested in solving problems or figuring things out.


Who was it that said something along the lines of "Huh I don't know how things would work in a socialist society but it would be better. I have no clue at all"? Yeah, that was actually you. What I propose is that people be left alone to do what they do best, because that fucking works. I also posted something like "wouldn't it be better to make medicine cheaper [by ][/by] before handing it out to everyone else.". Is this concept so difficult to understand? I'm sure even in your imaginary communist society there wouldn't be intellectual property laws. Oh yeah, I forgot reds had no common sense at all, nevermind.


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Everything you write is intellectually vacuous, and I'm sure the only reason you went away for a little while was to visit Reddit to harvest some new arguments to use, because you obviously don't like to do any of that hard thinking stuff by yourself.


I'll admit I took a little time to ponder my arguments, but if you actually bothered to read reddit you'd find out it's a communist infested shithole. You'd feel right at home in there.

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I'm glad you regret registering, but at the very least you managed to accomplish one thing: you've reconfirmed my observation that right-libertarians are a bunch of charlatans who use discussions like this one as an opportunity to echo their favorite lines without thinking too much about them.


I'm not. All I achieved by doing this was find out why I hate armchair communists. Hey buddy, here's a tip: go get a clue, because you have none. Also prepare to see your society crumble, because as was agreed, I'm moving to the netherlands as a political refugee due to you using the 'e'-word. I'll contact my netherlandish embassy as soon as possible.

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See, it's stuff like this:

Is this a serious argument? Is there an actual thought going on here? Is there a shred of intellectual prowess on display here? Is it in any way relevant to anything I've ever said?

I'm sure you regret registering because this isn't /r/libertarian and you can't get away with stuff like this in here. You have to actually give a valid explanation whenever you make a point, and you don't. You didn't do it here, and you didn't do it in any of your lengthy rants. You're a charlatan who likes to hear himself talk, and you've gotten frustrated because that sort of thing doesn't work here.

This thing I quoted actually literally goes against something I myself have argued against. You're arguing against a caricature. I've told you this again and again, but you keep doing it. That's not the attitude of someone who's seriously interested in a reasoned discourse.


You can't stop me now. I'll make you my slave and shit on your streets.
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This is what happens when you don't have arguments and still want everyone to acknowledge that you're right anyway.
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you belligerent stupid fuck

Wrong again motherfucker

you stupid communist piece of shit

HERP DERP

little communist shits such as yourself

You're a complete lunatic. You're criminally insane. The only thing stopping you from being a mass murderer and a thief is the strength of your own cowardice (as is the case with most reds).

reddit is a communist infested shithole

Yep, sounds like someone who's calmly making reasoned arguments and isn't angry because others keep refuting him at all.
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This is what happens when you don't have arguments and still want everyone to acknowledge that you're right anyway.


You're the one who never had any besides "Think of the single moms!"
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The funniest thing is that I'm a DIRTY RED COMMUNIST, yet he's accusing me of being a fan of Obama at the same time.