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from my understanding unilad is like ironic misogynistic 'male humour', you know, 'wacky banter' for people in university. it started out as a facebook group and a ton of really dumb image macros were posted about getting drunk and having unprotected sex and being a 'lad' (probably the same as being a 'bro' just appropriated for a UK audience).
and yeah the article doesn't really have anything to do with ariel pink's music, just a couple of things he apparently said in interviews.
i dunno i thought it was interesting!
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oh, okay well that kind of clears that up. now all i can think of with ariel pink re: this stuff is that he had some lyrics once that went something like 'i want a chick who puts up with my shit and puts out. like a little girl scout' but i thought that one song where i heard this lyric was supposed to be the voice of an awful, depressed loser pit-man, and i thought it was a funny line. i guess that's kind of what this article is talking about, but at the same time not really at all. i mean it is ironic humour, but it doesn't feel indicative to me of nerd misogyny, i dunno, i've never read any interviews or paid much attention to ariel pink other than his music. i don't think i really care what he has to say anyway.

anyway i dunno, my initial assumption is whatever ariel pink said in whatever interview he was probably joking cos he seems like that kind of guy and i can't find any trace of the interview this article is about so i'm gonna file this under inconclusive

edit: the song was west coast calamities. it's a good one.

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I'll put an emphasis on "internet nerd bullshit" if you'll allow...

I wasn't ready to throw the alpha and beta garbage out the window because I didn't want someone coming around the corner and arguing No Actually Its a Real Thing And The Fact You Disagree Is Laughable And A Funny Joke And It Says This About You, but it doesn't matter. I found it interesting, but as u all know I like to roll in the slop

i wasn't saying anything in response to your post directly, and i don't really understand what the scoop you're on about...mate!
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that second part wasn't a response to your post sorry, and the first line was a +like

and yeah, how the writer takes Pink's fries quote as literal proof of pink's misogyny is a pretty good representation of how flimsy the whole article is. just sayin I still like reading slop if it's new to me
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http://thequietus.com/articles/10133-ariel-pink-beta-male-misogyny

about 'beta male misogyny' and a little about ariel pink. i thought it was interesting.
I have no idea what any of the subjects of this article are, but the whole discourse seems completely trite and enamored with the dynamics of celebrity culture and spectacular roles... which I guess is fine for entertainment commentary but jeez louise i couldn't care less
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also i wonder if these lines were written with a straight face:
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If you spent any part of the last twenty years in indie clubs in British tweecore strongholds
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[...] is one of the (many) things to have consistently undermined twee's claims to political credibility.
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I don't get it. Twee is just another word for indie right? What does indie have to do with politics anyway? I mean, outside of maybe political lyrics, which any genre of music could have.

I guess the inherent idea of being independent of a big publisher is a political statement in of itself or something?
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Twee is another word for indie? First I've heard of it.
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I don't get it. Twee is just another word for indie right? What does indie have to do with politics anyway? I mean, outside of maybe political lyrics, which any genre of music could have.

I guess the inherent idea of being independent of a big publisher is a political statement in of itself or something?

i dunno if there's even really a point in getting into this (that isn't a specific dig at you) but there are political statements in pretty much everything and there doesn't need to be an explicit political theme expressed to make it that way. things that are explicitly defined as political aren't any more political than something which has no obvious political motive. there's no escaping politics, it is a part of pretty much everything. i'm not saying you need to dictate your behaviour solely based on what it implies politically, cos that'd drive you nuts and make you frozen, but it's just something to be aware that can help you understand things. so the question isn't ever really 'is this political or not?' but 'what are the politics here?'. i'm sorry if this is very pedestrian to everyone but warped here always has a lot of questions and while he obviously doesn't get a lot of stuff i figure it might not be a bad idea to try to explain what i think are some basic ideas.

independence from big record labels thing is a political statement yeah, i mean it has nothing to do with what people call indie music today but there are still political implications in the usage of the term and also in the actual practice of remaining independent from big business concerns. it doesn't really have anything to do with what this article was about - it was talking about how there is a certain group of men who would identify as part of 'twee' whatever that is and that there are some sexist attitudes that go along with that that might not be as immediately obvious as the ones that go along with cool big man on campus guys. it didn't seem like a great article.
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it was probably just a lazy validation/kneejerk itc tho
I don't get it. Twee is just another word for indie right? What does indie have to do with politics anyway? I mean, outside of maybe political lyrics, which any genre of music could have.

I guess the inherent idea of being independent of a big publisher is a political statement in of itself or something?
twee means sickly-sweet, generally disingenuously so when applied to indie music. it's used dismissively here. by referring to ariel pink as twee he's saying pink's music has no real value and he's just riding the indie wave with artless feelgood singles

the whole discourse seems completely trite and enamored with the dynamics of celebrity culture and spectacular roles... which I guess is fine for entertainment commentary but jeez louise i couldn't care less
ah, this is exactly it. people who live in the media, treat real people like tv characters
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well there is a fairly big twee 'scene' in britain, and these days its more about the diy mentality of indie pop i suppose. like, they put on gigs, make zines, craft fairs, diy record labels/self releasing music, host festivals and stuff all under this twee moniker. i don't think he's dismissing ariel pink's music, i think he's referring more to his bedroom recording/tape stuff.


the music is still sickly sweet and naive and childish, and its pretty cliquey. but there are gentle socialist and feminist attitudes throughout everything they do. check http://www.anorakforum.com/ for a better idea, i'm bad at explaining this stuff.
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twee is the musical equivalent of etsy.com
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well there is a fairly big twee 'scene' in britain, and these days its more about the diy mentality of indie pop i suppose. like, they put on gigs, make zines, craft fairs, diy record labels/self releasing music, host festivals and stuff all under this twee moniker. i don't think he's dismissing ariel pink's music, i think he's referring more to his bedroom recording/tape stuff.


the music is still sickly sweet and naive and childish, and its pretty cliquey. but there are gentle socialist and feminist attitudes throughout everything they do. check http://www.anorakforum.com/ for a better idea, i'm bad at explaining this stuff.
I didn't know that. I definitely don't think ariel counts as twee then, tho I see how some of his stuff might be construed that way
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video of a talk by the guy who wrote the wire http://vimeo.com/29805278#

it really opened my eyes about society in america, touches on capitalism/socialism, the war on drugs, and other things

i guess i should watch the wire
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Seeing as it's the greatest series ever, I suggest doing that. Have patience with it though, give it at least 4-5 episodes! I tried it once and couldn't get what the deal was but then the second time I was committed and now I've watched all of them. I absolutely loved it. A++++++
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I've been holding in my criticism on the wire. contrary to what most people will tell you, it's pretty terrible! it's also highly romanticized, and it does not realistically represent impoverished black communities or any of the stuff that people generally praise it for. actually, most people who seem to love it are white non-american men/teenage males, which explains why they wouldn't pick up on the glaringly contrived bullshit and probably actually appreciate the noble savage archetype that several of the characters fall into. that would be a good article to post actually, why do x people like this show

tell me anything good about the wire and I will tear it apart, watch out...nah it's ok if you like it, it is Good TV, but there are a lot of problems with it and I find it to be a little complicit/white guilt self-gratification/insulting idk
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I've been holding in my criticism on the wire. contrary to what most people will tell you, it's pretty terrible! it's also highly romanticized, and it does not realistically represent impoverished black communities or any of the stuff that people generally praise it for. actually, most people who seem to love it are white non-american men/teenage males, which explains why they wouldn't pick up on the glaringly contrived bullshit and probably actually appreciate the noble savage archetype that several of the characters fall into. that would be a good article to post actually, why do x people like this show

tell me anything good about the wire and I will tear it apart, watch out...nah it's ok if you like it, it is Good TV, but there are a lot of problems with it and I find it to be a little complicit/white guilt self-gratification/insulting idk
my bro's been telling me constantly to watch the wire, when I finally get around to doing it (if ever) I'd be really interested in hearing your perspective on this.
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Saying it's a show for teens is just.... wow. I don't think a teen would have the patience to watch a show that complex which takes a long time to build toward a conclusion, features realistic slang/terminology/methods as well as killing off main characters and ignoring typical gratifying television methods.

Everyone I know who likes it is 21 plus.

Also, uhhhh you know the writers were a police officer and a journalist who spent decades covering the crime within Baltimore and many of the storylines are based on actual events right? The show was praised universally for its realism. One of them also worked as teacher so he experienced working in lower socio economic schools first-hand.

Avon Barksdale is based on a real dealer from the 80s who is actually in the series. And some of the actors stayed in Baltimore and actually used parts of the show to teach at risk youth!!!

Also:

"In the years following the end of the series' run, several colleges and universities such as Johns Hopkins, Brown University, and Harvard College have offered classes on The Wire in disciplines ranging from law to sociology to film studies. Phillips Academy, a boarding high school in Massachusetts, offers a similar course as well.[90][91] University of Texas at San Antonio offers a course where the series is taught as a work of literary fiction.[92] In an article published in The Washington Post, Anmol Chaddha and William Julius Wilson explain why Harvard chose The Wire as curriculum material for their course on urban inequality: "Though scholars know that deindustrialization, crime and prison, and the education system are deeply intertwined, they must often give focused attention to just one subject in relative isolation, at the expense of others. With the freedom of artistic expression, The Wire can be more creative. It can weave together the range of forces that shape the lives of the urban poor."[93] University of York's Head of Sociology, Roger Burrows, said in The Independent that the show "makes a fantastic contribution to their understanding of contemporary urbanism", and is "a contrast to dry, dull, hugely expensive studies that people carry out on the same issues".[94] The series is also studied as part of a Master seminar series at the Paris West University Nanterre La Défense.[95]"


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'The Wire': Young Adults See Bits of Their Past  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/10/AR2006121001034.html

"The show's mirror to real life has drawn a cult following, particularly among African American college students."

I don't think it's overly focused around the noble savage concept at all. There's good and bad characters and even the characters you like do a lot of bad things. 
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hell yea. the first scene is actually a pretty good summary of anything I'd have to say btw.
Ummm you know the writers were a police officer and a journalist who spent decades covering the crime within Baltimore and many of the storylines are based on actual events right? The show was praised universally for its realism.

Like Avon Barksdale is based on a real dealer who is actually in the series? And some of the actors stayed in Baltimore and actually used parts of the show to teach at risk youth?
I know all of this. the people involved are real people. but the show itself is real compared to like what, CSI and Bones? there isn't a huge precedent for this stuff on tv

sorry I don't have time to re-read your post right now, but I didn't say it's just for teens at all.

edit: saying that throwaway undergrad college courses use it as fun supplementary material doesn't mean much. I've watched the fucking fountainhead as an example of how the artist interacts with society
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"most people who seem to love it are white non-american men/teenage males"

Also I think it ignores many tacky TV methods of gratification and that's definitely what separates it from Bones and the like. There's no distinct good guy/bad guy, there's no cliche happy resolutions, people die without a second thought etc. How much have you watched? There's no way it's comparable to something cheesy like Bones!
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"most people who seem to love it are white non-american men/teenage males"
oh you said "for teens" not "just for teens". itc nah there are plenty of kids in their later teens that watch it I was one of em, but I don't really see that as an important point of debate. I just didn't want to exclude teens

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Also I think it ignores many tacky TV methods of gratification and that's definitely what separates it from Bones and the like. There's no distinct good guy/bad guy, there's no cliche happy resolutions, etc
I agree, but outside of television these are all old and well-worn devices. it's fairly rare on TV, but people have been doing this sort of thing fro a long time and I personally don't think it adds any inherent interest to the show. it's like the bare minimum for even attempting to make a realistic show on drug dealing, crime etc