Religion I can't believe people believe in Scientology / Mormonism (Read 2768 times)

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I was kind of hoping for Dietcoke to say something about lining up or guillotining all the new atheist war apologists, or toss some barely inteligible New Jersey insult their way. You have disappointed me.
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haha that incident with dawkins leaving stupid comments on the lady's blog post is pretty stupid. i didn't know he was dumb like that, or like the childish tweets. i haven't really thought about him since the god delusion came out when i was finishing high school and a lot of my friends were saying he was so cool and we were all reading the selfish gene.

dawkins: owned

Step right up, folks. Step right up.

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the one i think a pretty basic issue you're missing is context.

these people whose beliefs you find so ridiculous live their lives in a totally different context from you. maybe the difficulty you are having is - and i'm assuming you're a pretty westernized person here - but when you hear about muslims doing stuff or weird stuff people might believe in africa or asia, or the past! you might be thinking well that makes sense they all wear funny clothes and live in magic land so why wouldn't they think a bunch of weird stuff?

well even people who live next door to you live their lives in totally different contexts, too. there are probably more areas of overlap between someone from your own country in your own demographic but that doesn't mean they see the world like you do or have had even 5% of the same experiences you've had, and they've come to different conclusions. it isn't really your place to go around saying oh that's ridiculous you're crazy - cos all you're really saying at that point is 'I cannot comprehend how you don't see things like me, so there is something wrong with you!' which doesn't really advance anything.

so you can either engage with people in these areas you find so baffling and try to better understand them (south park and wikipedia page doesn't get you very far), and see if you can satisfy your problem that way - by comprimise, or acceptance, or understanding or whatever the appropriate resolution may be, or you can just accept that these people live their lives in different contexts than you do, let them be and get on with it. OR you can make epic tweets about how fucking dumb they are but i don't recommend that option.
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Yeah, this should go without saying, but South Park should not be one of your primary sources of information for anything.
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Because that story actually makes more sense. They never mention humans or anything and there's no planet Earth. So somewhere in a galaxy far far away a long time ago it could have actually taken place. Which is why I say that it's less ridiculous to believe then Scientology, which claims outrageous things have taken place right here on Earth and directly influenced humanity as a whole.

Your explanation of star wars's plausibility actually stabs at the main point of why it is basically impossible to rationally consider the setting Star-Wars takes place in as even remotely plausible. You said yourself that there are no humans and no earth, and this means you have two primary concerns to address at the plausibility of the galaxy far far away this epic saga could occur in our actual universe.

1. If there is no earth, then is it entirely coincidental that the high majority of sentient lifeforms speak the English language? Did they form the English language in exactly the same way as earth but somehow entirely separate from any and all earth influence? (much in the same way many of the people from that galaxy evolved to become genetically identical to humans on earth despite having presumably 0 contact or influence with that planet whatsoever)

2. If earth is so far away that contact with any of it's lifeforms is statistically impossible, why is the fastest ship in that entire galaxy named after an avian species found exclusively on earth? A species of the avian family mind you, that could only be seen as astonishingly slow when compared to just about any vessel capable of hyper-speed.
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Your explanation of star wars's plausibility actually stabs at the main point of why it is basically impossible to rationally consider the setting Star-Wars takes place in as even remotely plausible. You said yourself that there are no humans and no earth, and this means you have two primary concerns to address at the plausibility of the galaxy far far away this epic saga could occur in our actual universe.

1. If there is no earth, then is it entirely coincidental that the high majority of sentient lifeforms speak the English language? Did they form the English language in exactly the same way as earth but somehow entirely separate from any and all earth influence? (much in the same way many of the people from that galaxy evolved to become genetically identical to humans on earth despite having presumably 0 contact or influence with that planet whatsoever)

2. If earth is so far away that contact with any of it's lifeforms is statistically impossible, why is the fastest ship in that entire galaxy named after an avian species found exclusively on earth? A species of the avian family mind you, that could only be seen as astonishingly slow when compared to just about any vessel capable of hyper-speed.

I know, it's not perfect. But still less ridiculous then Scientology.
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so you didn't even read my post and would rather talk about star wars huh. that's what this was all about from the start wasn't it. how about them prequels. jar jar binks more like jar jar rinks. anakin more like smanakin.
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If people are crazy enough to believe in God, why not aliens.
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Human

this whole thread is about star wars, right?
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so you didn't even read my post and would rather talk about star wars huh. that's what this was all about from the start wasn't it. how about them prequels. jar jar binks more like jar jar rinks. anakin more like smanakin.

I actually did read your post, and I get what you're saying. I don't think I really want to get into any of these religions, but I can accept people believing in them. I just find these particular religions more ridiculous then others.
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jamies posters regret - I will not make strikeout posts
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really awful I will acknowledge it, and I doubt I understand people either but some of you make me really uncomfortable and yes I know whos joking sheesh I just wanted to make sure my 6000th post was my best ever.
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Yeah, this should go without saying, but South Park should not be one of your primary sources of information for anything.

To be fair, he never said that it was. This is very easy to argue for pretty much any TV show, especially comical ones.

That said, I sometimes agree with the message behind South Park episodes, sometimes I don't. More often than not though I disagree with their methodology of utilizing humor and misleading logic to get their point across. Still entertaining nonetheless IMHO. I respect those that don't like the show, but saying its horrible is hyperbole. (Dada said it)

On the topic of Richard Dawkins, my opinion of him is pending. More research is required before I dismiss him. Research that I may or may not have time or energy (mostly the latter) to start unfortunately. I have read some positive things about him though as well as the thing you posted Dada. I don't like the idea that there are villains and heroes, but rather 'good people with ugly flaws' or even maybe 'bad people with redeeming qualities'.

The closest a person I've ever read about to reaching hero-dom is Nikola Tesla. And he definitely was flawed.
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I respect those that don't like the show, but saying its horrible is hyperbole. (Dada said it)
It's not hyperbole. This is actually precisely how I feel about it. I'm not exaggerating. It's garbage made by some of the most malicious and worthless people I know.

I have read some positive things about him though as well as the thing you posted Dada. I don't like the idea that there are villains and heroes, but rather 'good people with ugly flaws' or even maybe 'bad people with redeeming qualities'.
I'm glad you're not just blindly accepting what I say and that you'd rather do some research yourself before making up your mind. But you don't even have to. Who cares. If you ever happen to read an opinion article or a book written by Richard Dawkins, it doesn't matter whether you already know anything about him or not. You can make up your own mind on that specific article without the context being necessary.

I don't really believe in heroes. They'll always let you down at some point. The closest thing I have to a hero is Noam Chomsky. But I don't like calling him that. It implies that you're an irrational follower, and I'm not.
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south park is poisonous as shit
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To be fair, he never said that it was.

Well, he did say that first he saw the episode and then he confirmed it on wikipedia... so... he kind of did. And I do not share Dada and Vellfire's opinion on the show, by the way. Just don't go basing your ideals around the show, that's really not what it's for.
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Just don't go basing your ideals around the show, that's really not what it's for.
It is most definitely the intent of the authors to get you to adopt their views, though. And people do.
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south park is poisonous as shit
but don't you see they oppress everyone equally

except white people
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I should mention that it's not like I'm trying to shame anyone into not liking South Park, but it does become pretty problematic when you start taking the message seriously without doing a real analysis. I think most rational people would be appalled if they did that. Does anybody really think sexual harassment laws are fascism? South Park does, and they actively try to get you to believe that as well.
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but don't you see they oppress everyone equally

except white people

oh no they oppress white people.

just the ones that are gay or trans or women
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