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shepperd I don't know why you care so much as to obviously rile people up, though. I know why everyone cares, because this is serious stuff that they deal with in their everyday lives, and it's really annoying to see yet another guy* bringing this stuff up like it's a revolutionary subject no one here has ever thought about before. I guess this is a fun exercise for you, and that's what irritates me. if you're just ignorant, fine, but if you know what you're doing and are just trying to upset people about significant parts of their lives, that's kind of despicable, don't you think?

I dunno man, I'm talking about our common past and I'm kinda disappointed most don't have fond memories of the humour at the time, whereas I do, although I can understand why it couldn't be replicated nowadays
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lol EDC, making post history.

There's a saying that goes "intent isn't magic".  If you don't intend harm, you can still DO harm.  The key (in this scenario) is to then apologize for it and not cause that same harm in the future.  Most people don't do this though.  If you want to prove your intentions were good, apologize and stop doing that same harm.  THEN people will care about intent.
of course. The only aspect here I take moderate issue with is the requiring an apology. Unless you are suggesting an apology is needed merely to indicate lack of nasty intent rather than saying they need to feel bad for being a shitty/stupid person(edit: as in it was a mistake or accident). Obviously agree that they should stop though.

Well, if he was, he probably wouldn't be making those jokes.  And, if he did, then it would have ENTIRELY different connotations than someone who isn't.  A straight white man is not the one who gets to decide how much fun it is to say slurs where he's the one in power.  It's really damn easy to talk about how much you miss saying faggot when you've never had to live as a gay person.
Well, he's saying he misses it. Not that he thinks it'd be right to bring it back.
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i was just saying this on irc - about how he has gotten much better basically since he got divorced or around then. what i was saying though is I don't think he has renounced that kind of stuff, but just that he doesn't do it anymore (which is normal, he throws out old material every year). has he said something about how he now thinks that routine was stupid that i missed?
well, no, I guess it's just kind of wishful thinking based on this radio interview where the awful interviewer kept essentially doing that bit and trying to get Louis to say something about it, and he wouldn't. maybe it's just because it was old material or the guy was cramping his style, I don't know, but I've noticed he hasn't even been using those words anymore and they used to be a pretty big part of his routine.
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I dunno man, I'm talking about our common past and I'm kinda disappointed most don't have fond memories of the humour at the time, whereas I do, although I can understand why it couldn't be replicated nowadays

I have fond memories and a lot of us do. but that doesn't mean we werent little turds. You were saying that humor was totally fine and that was why people got riled up because duh saying nigger even ironicially wasn't cool?
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"I find this joke about how cool it is to say faggot, nigger and cunt hilarious!"

~ forums poster shepperd who isn't gay, black or a woman, so has no idea how these slurs feel

Wow sure am glad you're the one who gets to decide that it's Officially Funny, everyone!  Glad you're the gatekeeper of what's funny and that if we don't agree, we're uptight!


e: I mean seriously how dense can you be that you're saying "well I don't find it offensive!!!"  Of course you fucking don't, why not actually look at people who those slurs target instead of YOU.  Why do you think you're the one who decides this for everyone else?
it's called ability to laugh about oneself. A woman/gay/black with a sense of humour and relaxed perception of society can have a laugh with that routine, because it addresses how ridiculous we are about taboo words and slurs. It's all in the mind
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The only aspect here I take moderate issue with is the requiring an apology. Unless you are suggesting an apology is needed merely to indicate lack of nasty intent rather than saying they need to feel bad for being a shitty/stupid person. Obviously agree that they should stop though.

Uh, yeah you should feel bad for hurting someone.  And you should apologize.  An apology should be required when you've hurt some one, that's basic decency.  If you really didn't intend harm, then idk why this would be so hard.

Well, he's saying he misses it. Not that he thinks it'd be right to bring it back.

Why would you even miss it?  Like, I used to not know how bad these slurs were.  I don't find myself going "man, I miss the days I could call people fags..."  That doesn't even occur to me to think that way.  He's implying that he wishes he could still use these slurs, and everyone is laughing because they do too.  You can't just take this on the base level he's presenting it at.
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haha you are so privileged you dont even realize it. black people just need to chill oooout man.


as a non minority its not up to you to tell people who have decades of abuse that it is all in their mind... what are you not understanding
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Fag = cigarette

But in all seriousness, I do agree, why would you even miss it? I mean we were complete gob-shites back then, that's not smothing to fondly remember in any context.
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it's called ability to laugh about oneself. A woman/gay/black with a sense of humour and relaxed perception of society can have a laugh with that routine, because it addresses how ridiculous we are about taboo words and slurs. It's all in the mind

Louis CK isn't laughing at himself, because he's none of those things.  There's nothing ridiculous about making slurs taboo.  Slurs should not be said, they actually hurt people for real in real life.  Stop pretending like they're basically swears.  All in the mind?  Ahahaha no way dude.  Slurs are a reminder that hey, you're a second class citizen, gay person/trans person/black person/woman/etc.  Slurs don't exist in a vacuum.  But please, keep telling us about how none of it really matters, because it doesn't matter to you.  Why don't you listen to the people here who actually have been affected by these things, instead of just assuming that your one experience in life has told you everything you need to know about marginalized people.  Go on Shepperd, tell me about how slurs towards me being a woman feels, because I certainly wouldn't know.  Tell me how it feels to be called a dyke, instead of me telling you.  Tell me about how I'm supposed to laugh at it because you think I should, after all it doesn't hurt you any.
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gosh if only minorities would chill out then they could find humor further alienating them from society soooo funny
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Uh, yeah you should feel bad for hurting someone.  And you should apologize.  An apology should be required when you've hurt some one, that's basic decency.  If you really didn't intend harm, then idk why this would be so hard.
OK I realized this is actually understandable, like stepping on someone's foot... You say sorry for your failure.

Why would you even miss it?  Like, I used to not know how bad these slurs were.  I don't find myself going "man, I miss the days I could call people fags..."  That doesn't even occur to me to think that way.  He's implying that he wishes he could still use these slurs, and everyone is laughing because they do too.  You can't just take this on the base level he's presenting it at.
Well, he said he missed the words specifically for aesthetic value and what the USED to mean. They weren't even slurs in his mind before. He probably just needs a new word that has the same specific meaning as an insult that he originally intended faggot to mean for instance.
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It's like punching someone in the face but telling them that it didn't hurt.

It's like taking a shit on someone's head but defining for them if it smells



It's like me peeing in your mouth but because I don't think it's gross you shouldn't either
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Shepperd you like making points with youtube vids, so how about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XiSiHRNQlQo

Why not try admitting that the knife is there before you even begin to discuss this issue that you clearly know nothing about?
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I have fond memories and a lot of us do. but that doesn't mean we werent little turds. You were saying that humor was totally fine and that was why people got riled up because duh saying nigger even ironicially wasn't cool?
It's like I can emphasise with the mischief of the time. I can still laugh and chuckle at all those terrible things we did. I don't start weighting them on some morality index. Sure, wouldn't do it nowadays, but I wouldn't shun it either.
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But um you just posted a ton of content and a video justifying why using slurs is ok? Also you just defined for other people that it is all in their mind.
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"I don't find it funny anymore though!!!  But here's a Louis CK video explaining why I should still be allowed to find it funny!!!!!!!  I'm gonna spend the whole topic trying to convince you it's funny!!!!!!!!!!!"
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But um you just posted a ton of content and a video justifying why using slurs is ok? Also you just defined for other people that it is all in their mind.
If you go back to the context of the original post where I posted the video, you'll see I was using Louis CK as an exception




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So you posted it to make the specific point of how not funny it was?

Great line of thinking. I enjoy watching how well that is working out for you.
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It's like I can emphasise with the mischief of the time. I can still laugh and chuckle at all those terrible things we did. I don't start weighting them on some morality index. Sure, wouldn't do it nowadays, but I wouldn't shun it either.
why try to argue with people then? if you choose to be nostalgic about it instead of wanting to learn from it then that's fine, but i don't get why you can't respect where other people are coming from. maybe instead of telling everyone else they're too uptight and then try to turn a total non-issue into a debate, you could've just walked away from this and avoided the headache. there's no reason why your thoughts about the community's past can't coexist with how everyone else feels.
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Indeed. fucked up wastoid. that's probably the best point made in this entire argument.

(EDIT: that is, it turns out it was largely pointless)
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