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maybe it is gameplay footage in the same vein as one of those uncharted games or like that one game starring ellen page. those games that're basically like interactive movies mostly. press A to throw bedpan at guard and watch Snake run down hallway.
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Agreed with Barack 110%

thanks for the EMBRACE THE STATUS QUO speech though. been a real long time since i've had to endure it. unfortunately i must request that you never speak to me again.

haha oh man dont be pathetic. i put out a different opinion and it was just something i was thinking about. you can disagree but dont post stupid stuff like NEVERTALKTOMEAGAIN

all im saying is you guys often seem so shocked and REVOLTED. whilst aren't we kinda used to this type of thing by now? its like watching the trailer for transformers and being disgusted that its not an authentic remake of the 80s japanese style
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all im saying is you guys often seem so shocked and REVOLTED. whilst aren't we kinda used to this type of thing by now?
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I think Kojima's intentions were good but there has been a kind of mascotification of the character imo (it's a-me solid snake) and like how the image of 3d Wii mario has kind of become vaguely horrifying it annoys me in that way. And um I think where kojima jumped the shark is setting MGS4 in random middle-eastern country because well firstly him actually trying to comment on a current war is hilarious but he has to realize all his games have been about Vietnam. Not literal Vietnam, but Vietnam in movies and shit etc. Like literally just branching off from the reality of Vietnam and inflating the idea of it more and more in your head until it's this ridiculous caricature and some kind of semi-retarded metaphor for war in general. Like if we wanted to do a Hideo Kojima right now I would pick World War II because we're the fucking Medal of Honor generation and WWII is just this neverending thing in our subconscious that is slowing driving us insane. But yeah like develop off of that CYBORG HITLER HEAD imagery from Bionic Commando and make that the most normal element of the game. Just basically Barkley-ify WW2 and form the most stupid 'what if' questions in your head and throw them into the game. But yeah I think kojima's lost sight of that and crossed that line where he's so out of touch it's offensive (having PTSD obviously makes you into some kind of super-soldier or whatever the bosses in MGS4 were about). But yeah also Metal Gear is a way better way to go about this sort of thing than whatever Tarantino is going for

but yeah basically Kojima is/was good at creating this total unreality bizarre dream scenario of what war is like to some stupid kid and he's not so good at that anymore. MGS3 was halfway there but it was already getting its-a-me solid snake like I was saying. But if it was done a little differently/more naively maybe MGS3 could've been so sublimely stupid and awesome. It needed more weird Playstation motion blur like the original MGS for one
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i don't get how people are still interested in mgs. or how some people are borderline obsessed with it, thinking it's the best thing in gaming. mgs1 and 2 were good, i think jungle setting didn't work with mgs gameplay at all and mgs3 was ridiculously short and even somewhat boring to play. and at that point i hope no one took the story too seriously anymore.

despite not really liking mgs3, i was still anticipating mgs4 but after playing it, i will never make the mistake of honestly believing they'll release a good metal gear game again. like someone said, mgs4 had good gameplay (or rather, it could have had good gameplay) but even that was completely ruined by the absolutely horrible pacing it had. take a game like uncharted which is basically an interactive movie and remove all the interactive parts which make it work and replace them with two minutes of gameplay followed by ten to thirty minutes of cutscenes. and that's thirty minutes of watching the most convoluted and ridiculous story in the history of gaming. and the story aside, you never get to play enough to actually get into the game, and that's a huge problem here! i'm actually often one of those people who'll tell you that gameplay (at least in the traditional sense) isn't necessarily all that important in games because games can have much more going on for them but mgs4 seriously does it all wrong. i'm dead serious when i say that i don't know a single other game with such serious issues with pacing or any other game which suffers so much because of it. that and it was such a stupid move to make it completely linear. maybe if it was done well i wouldn't have minded but it wasn't, it really wasn't. i'm usually fairly easy to entertain and i'm not nearly as critical as a lot of people here are but i'm never going to get what people see in mgs4. it's not a completely awful game but it's only saved by high production values and the short fun parts of gameplay it has but that's it.

and let's not even get started with metal gear rising. ground zeroes actually looks that it could be good but after mgs4, i'm not really expecting much. and even in the trailer it was ridiculous that first you spend 10 minutes to sneak into some facility and then you just... CALL A HELICOPTER TO PICK YOU UP. and i think it was in middle of the mission too. you can call helicopter anywhere, anytime. the fuck? and yeah, i saw the trailer for phantom pain and it actually looked interesting but we have no idea what the final game is going to be like (probably nothing like the trailer) so it's pointless to even guess at this point.
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there's a distinct difference between the first MGS game and all subsequent ones. the first one was extremely subtle. actually, you can easily tell by looking at the Gamecube remake they did: it basically turned MGS into an episode of Dragonball Z. every single voice actor OVERACTED their lines. Snake tries to dropkick Metal Gear. it's not that the original PSX MGS wasn't crazy in and of itself, but the remake pushes you far past the boundary at which you can still suspend your judgment or even hold in your laughter and stay focused on the game. the narrative is completely eroded by the fact that you just can't take anything even a little bit seriously anymore.

I rather liked MGS2 as well. it was kind of funny how the game pushed the japanese pop culture elements to such a ridiculously high degree and then pretended it was this marvelous, deep and important story. but I don't know if that was accidental. I'm sure for most part it wasn't, but there are elements that are just so far and beyond any sane person's idea of a valid narrative that they boggle the mind. like when otacon's sister dies (who you've known for about 10 minutes) and then he decides to confess about how he was sexually abused by his mother. and then he does a funny handshake with Snake. that's a deeply serious part of MGS2.

but whatever you might think of this, it can become pretty amazingly painful to watch if it's literally all there is. there hasn't been any gameplay in any of the games after MGS2. and the cutscenes have actually gotten worse. they've gotten so much slower. everybody just stares into space for 10 seconds at a time in between lines. I first truly realized that when Snake had his first long conversation with that weapons dealer guy. I don't even remember his name! it's two people with almost exactly the same voice (low, gruff and featureless) having the most vapid conversation imaginable in order to explain the RPG mechanics of weapons dealing. and it took about 20 minutes or something like that.

MGS is now basically the japanese equivalent of call of duty (minus the fact that CoD has gameplay). it's one big fireworks display of weaponry with silly, contrived plot lines that have long ago become far too ridiculous to take serious in any degree.
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on behalf of the furious malcontents of the salt world community forums, i hereby apologize if our bad attitudes have interfered with your kojima boner. we promise to never do it again.

haha ive said frequently that metal gear solid is ridiculous. i like it, but i definitely don't have a kojima boner. i have no gaming boners because im no longer 13. everything said about mgs4 making the storyline more and more retarded is definitely true, and they are certainly milking the series dry. however, im not surprised or overly disgusted. hopefully one day there will be a change where people can make cool and creative mainstream games but unfortunately that's not true for now except for rare cases


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mgs2 was ridiculous as well but i did think it was pretty neat how they mess with you a little and tell you that you are playing a video game and to turn off the console. does anyone know any other titles that do this?
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nuh-uh metal gear solid 3 is the best one *folds arms*
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I imagined my post being a whole lot better but still Metal Gear 1 + 2 and MGS3 remind me of Vietnam with the setting/probably based on a lot of vietnam movies. Actually MGS1 is kind of interesting then, what movie would he be ripping off with that setting? The Thing?
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in the middle east, we don't hunt foxes - we hunt jackals - and instead of foxhounds we use royal harriers. thank you very much.
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a royal harrier against a jackal just kinda seems like overkill to me somehow.
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I imagined my post being a whole lot better but still Metal Gear 1 + 2 and MGS3 remind me of Vietnam with the setting/probably based on a lot of vietnam movies. Actually MGS1 is kind of interesting then, what movie would he be ripping off with that setting? The Thing?

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Man first the feminism thing, now hating on MGS the only thing that is holy.

What next? STEAK? Are you going to denounce steak?

How ridiculous to say that MGS4 was awful. It's fan service for the previous 3 games, clearly. If you're playing the fourth iteration of a game series and expect anything other than fan service, pick up the nearest haddock and give yourself a slap.

And comparing MGS to COD!? *spews bile*
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Well from the perspective of someone who has personally never been exposed to any of the MGS lore, it seems to me that the people who are bent on providing harsh criticism of the franchise do so as if Metal Gear Solid is the only piece of media left.

As if they have absolutely nothing else in the universe to available expose themselves to as an alternative allowing them to not play another Metal Gear Solid game again. Either every single Metal Gear Solid title meets up to their expectations of what every single Metal Gear Solid needs to do in order to entertain them personally, or they are forced to live a life entirely devoid of any type of media and entertainment whatsoever.

Now I could be completely wrong in this assessment, but I would need someone from the standpoint of being exposed to MGS and not enjoying any of it to clarify the matter. Like I said before, I am completely ignorant of this series, so the option of being entertained by things that are do not qualify as "Metal Gear Solid" is still entirely open to me.
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I thought MGS ended in 4? So what would MGS5 be about, im imagining Gran Torino style Snake.
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Its probably another prequel like 3. I don't like prequels.

If it isn't a prequel, it will either follow a character other than snake (since he has barely any life left to live) or he is saved from his rapid aging from some sort of technology/operation or something. In fact I was confused why they did not try and copy vamps cell regeneration or whatever he had. Since he literally had something that kept him youthful and nigh invincible and it was a technology, meaning it could've been reproduced.

I guess its similar to Iron man. Who wont share the near infinite supply of energy with the world just because.