did you know
 
that porn is often nsfw
 
 i have learned something from this thread
 
 
mission accomplished

lol

the opening and closing of that first video is really good. pornography is kind of similar to our favorite pirate/low-budget/limited technology video games in that a lot of generally unintentionally strange or surreal situations arise out of the apparent compulsion to explain away this allegedly vulgar act with some sort of vaguely/half-heartedly human background and stimulus. catamites had some like early-mid 20th century drawn porn comic strips that either involved popeye or reminded me of popeye, they were really good. the intentionally weird, pterodactyl orgy etc internet circa 1999 stuff is generally not worth much tho. JM2c.

the name of the topic got my blood boiling (*YEEHAAWWW!!* ~~8^B- -), alas... there's actually a whole movement called uh noporn? that is all about heavy/medium users of porn (and why not light) rehabbing from the porn, uh please listen to very end before judgement!!... the idea is that porn is unnaturally stimulating (superstimulus...) for human brain as esp. several masturbations doesn't really happen that much in nature (like switching between different porns simultaneously, you only have one partner) as it follows more of the route of ejaculation -> prolactin rises in men along with other hormonal changes, both partners stop eventually (or something along this line), something about burning up the dopamine receptors in brain...
anyways, the anecdotes are kinda fascinating! If I could, I could paste the .pfd if it was a forum feature... there's some unexpected physical/social gains occuring when abstaining from PMO (porn masturb orgasm, also edging  that as well naturally)...like total physical changes. depression anxiety etc. also lift which made me think about how much some segments of population eg. nerds social shuts MAY have depression social isolation etc caused by porn. I feel fishy boutit (first reaction is what about possible vested interest by traditional fools?? marriage between man and woman...) but it seems pr easy to test out...
EDIT oh yeah it's this http://yourbrainonporn.com/ask-us

http://tijuanabibles.org/bibles/ (nsfw obviously)

EDIT: Fuck it, they're not even erotic, more like funny, so possibly sfw if you work with people with a sense of humour.

my favorite weird porn ever is the lemon-stealing whore video: http://www.absoluporn.com/en/video-33512.html
 
re: bonzi_buddy-- yo i've read about that before; it's interesting. many people attest to the physical/mental benefits of giving up porn, whether it's done for religious reasons or otherwise. i mean, it does make some sense. also i could attest personally to negative physical effects of porn but idk if we wanna get into personal discussion of sex stuff in this thread haha ?? i mean basically what i'm sayin is yeah it is overstimulation and being used to that can make it difficult to do things in other situations. i've definitely experienced getting stuck in a rut of specificity... but it's difficult to withdraw from porn when it's the only thing that gets you off, y'know?
 
on a similar note, has anyone heard of and/or tried karezza sex? it's another one of those uncommon practices with maybe-sketchy evidence but plenty of positive anecdotes. it involves having sex without allowing orgasms (especially on the part of anyone with a penis). i mean, i can't orgasm from any sexual activities with a partner so i kinda do karezza without wanting to ha ha but i could see how purposefully backing off and coming down slowly could be an enhancing experience for someone who usually comes. if anything, it could give them more empathy for those of us who can't.
 
i do think that society places way too much focus on orgasms and that that is indicative of a larger cultural heteronormativity and sexism/misogyny-- most female-bodied people don't orgasm from the type and duration of sex that makes males do, and additionally there is a lot of pressure on women to "perform" (being very vocal, pretending to enjoy things, etc), prioritize their (male) partners, and to generally not actually have a good time during sex because that would make them a slut right??? and the ways to fix these problems often result in bad reactions from partners... if a woman tells her boyfriend that she's been faking orgasms for the past year (which implicitly means that she wants to not fake anymore and to learn to experience genuine pleasure with her partner), it's not uncommon for her to get a very negative reaction... i think this has to do with the societal semantics of being able to "make" someone come, which is weird and burdensome; everyone is responsible for their own sexuality and blaming someone for their sexual inabilities is definitely not the way to resolve them. hmmmm
 
sooo i ended up rambling about a lot of different porn/sex stuff but i think these are important thoughts and would like to discuss them~

another relevant issue for discussion here: where do you draw the line between porn and art? is there even a line to be drawn? nudity and sexuality have been present in art of all kinds for thousands of years. were those works erotic material at the time? and/or highbrow art? (think stuff like Birth of Venus) in modern standards, what separates art and porn? and how is that different from previous eras? (i know these are pretty basic questions that all sorts of critics and art students have written extensive essays about, but i'm interested to hear opinions from y'all salties (for reasons that earlchip/barret's esophagus(???) has expressed))

the name of the topic got my blood boiling (*YEEHAAWWW!!* ~~8^B- -)p

yeahhh bonzi I saw the title and thought aaha yes saltw porn thread finally let's do it!

I agree. of course it's over-stimulation, and it seems like it's increasingly moving in that direction. I'm hesitant to say that's definitely a bad thing tho. over stimulation is expected now. you're expected to be hyper and over-stimulated like everyone else or you're boring, you can't keep up! asked at a job interview if I tweet. like in porn it's not even a subtle theme you need to pick up on anymore, it's literal. look at mainstream porn on one of those tube sites, if it's not the other direction it's literally candy bubblegum bright-colored imagery. eg the sidebar ad in one of those xhamster videos was of a 'gamer girl' dressed in bright candy colors having sex while playing a video game.

http://tijuanabibles.org/bibles/ (nsfw obviously)

EDIT: Fuck it, they're not even erotic, more like funny, so possibly sfw if you work with people with a sense of humour.

Yeah, that's it. I remember them being a little more crude than the ones I'm looking at tho? idk
 

on a similar note, has anyone heard of and/or tried karezza sex?

I haven't heard of it, but I like the idea of sex w/o penetration or the goal of orgasm. I mean, that's sex for a lot of couples not involving a male. I don't even know if we have to bring up sex ed, I imagine it was the same for me as most others. lots of talk about the male's arousal, erection, & the climax of ejaculation. then women jus get pregnant or have periods. I think that's ('karezza') a good way of looking at it - rather than requiring the woman to orgasm like a male (also 'squirting' while we're on the subject), promote the idea that it's fine to have sex without working towards orgasm.

another relevant issue for discussion here: where do you draw the line between porn and art? is there even a line to be drawn? nudity and sexuality have been present in art of all kinds for thousands of years. were those works erotic material at the time? and/or highbrow art? (think stuff like Birth of Venus) in modern standards, what separates art and porn? and how is that different from previous eras? (i know these are pretty basic questions that all sorts of critics and art students have written extensive essays about, but i'm interested to hear opinions from y'all salties (for reasons that earlchip/barret's esophagus(???) has expressed))

yea I'm E.C. I think those are good questions, but I get bored with them. the what is/what can be art questions I mean. is there still even a question w/o social conservatism?

http://vas5053.deviantart.com/art/interrogation-on-the-wheel-364064540 actually this guy's whole gallery is like this / scowling hooded cultist guys inventing convoluted death machines while they endlessly describe what's happening in affectless dialogue directed at nobody.
 
A: I've built this machine and I'm pushing you in it.
 
B: The machine is wrecking my life! I don't like this!
 
A: I've put you in the machine and now I'm going in this direction.
 
I like the monomaniac hell dimensions depicted in pornography esp fetish things where the entire world revolves around One Thing and everyone only talks about the One Thing. Like Pokemon except with people being eaten alive or tickled or fucked underwater or whatever. "Well, I'm going to infiltrate the aqua base now. I sure hope I don't get fucked, underwater." I like the "closed" aspect of these things where the whole world consists of a handful of discrete relationships (dragon, big dragon, berry) and everything has a weird stunted relationship with realistic activity or experience. related and possibly posted in dump topic threads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPm3KNOijRQ . the early wonder woman comics are pretty cool in that they read like dispatches from some alternate reality where the goofy sexual aspect of superhero books where people dress in weird suits and chase each other around for incoherent reasons was not so ruthlessly repressed. blinkered ritualistic compulsive aspect of all this stuff feels purer the more divorced it is from any claims to artistic merit or relevance to human experience. 

is there seriously a porno site called "xhamster"???

Ugh, my original plan for my final paper at uni was going to be exploring the connections between pornography/prostitution and art (I later changed it to exploring how the use of monsters represent male sexual aggression... I'm such a fun guy!). Artists like Cossey Fanni Tutti and Genesis P.Orridge (fans of industrial/electronica/coolarty music will note that those two were also the driving force behind Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV) explored the field of pornography, where Tutti appeared in several explicit porn mags to look at the women's role in pornography from the inside, and then displayed the pages in a gallery (to much anger and vitriol in the tabloids... which was later collected, cut out and attatched to a gallery wall). So it's like there it is both porn and art doing both purposes individually and together.
Jeff Koons did a series 'made in heaven', which is really high quality massive photographs of him fucking his wife, and you walk into a room surrounded with close up 2m wide photographs of her asshole or something, and it's really funny. Like not arousing at all, but just really amusing. You've got these 60 year old posh guys in their tweed jackets and stuff leaning into a picture of Ilona with cum round her mouth, and without any sense of self awareness, stroking their chin going 'hmmmm' as if it's a Rembrandt or something. Ilona was a porn star, so again the question of whether it can be porn is raised, but then it has Koons' highly superficial sheen over it, so it's so surreal and decorative that it's not at all erotic.
There's also this artist I was reading about back then who would get paid by wealthy clients to have sex with her, and that was her art work, though by time I started reading about this I'd kinda got bored and was more interested in why Michaelangelo was painting demons with gaping assholes(Lower-right)

Thinking back at uni, quite a lot of my work was combining bondage and fetish with animalistic and pagan concepts. The Wicker Man-meets-Caligula-Meets-Texas Chainsaw massacre.
 
Maaaaaan I'm boring.

I liked watching those compiled porn videos that is beat-synced to a music. The idea had lots of potential but I get tired of the same hip-hoppy music, if I had an opportunity and lots of free space in my drive then I'd make something with some Opera songs or something.

there is "porn for every fetish" so I wonder if there is franz kafka porn?? like not kafkian porn (well, it may have elements of it) but poor confused franz kafka ending up into strange forcible porn situations, see his face sweating in anxiety and effort, punish and milf porn taken to next dimension... when i thought about that like two days ago, i burst out laughing out just to the vision of that question/inspiration. also "metamorphosis" porn or strange porn where kafka has sex with statue of liberty etc. grotesque the fall plays in background. EDIT just realized that Classical would be like PERFECT PORN MUSIC jesus

http://vas5053.devia...wheel-364064540 actually this guy's whole gallery is like this / scowling hooded cultist guys inventing convoluted death machines while they endlessly describe what's happening in affectless dialogue directed at nobody.

A: I've built this machine and I'm pushing you in it.

B: The machine is wrecking my life! I don't like this!

A: I've put you in the machine and now I'm going in this direction.

ahahah this reminds me of the great illustrations by robert crumb of kafka's stories in his bio!! i read that book, it was really good/breazy readin'... best of all i remember the part where crumb? said that franz would read his stories out loud to his closest friends AND LAUGH TO THE EVENTS IN HIS BOOKS ahahaha hell yeahh!!!!!

if y'all are gonna talk about bizarre amateur monomaniac fetish porn, i recommend perusing http://truedeviance.tumblr.com/ because the blog's creator chooses an excellent selection of images to showcase from within the flood of bad and/or weird erotic-aesthetic creations uploaded on deviantart, and they often have pretty interesting comments and analyses to accompany the display.
 
another thing i'm reminded of by this thread is the Bosch tryptich painting The Garden of Earthly Delights, which you can view here in high-res: http://uploads6.wikipaintings.org/images/hieronymus-bosch/the-garden-of-earthly-delights-1515-7.jpg

Quote from: bonzi_buddy on July 05, 2013, 07:26:00 am

the name of the topic got my blood boiling (*YEEHAAWWW!!* ~~8^B- -)p

yeahhh bonzi I saw the title and thought aaha yes saltw porn thread finally let's do it!

I agree. of course it's over-stimulation, and it seems like it's increasingly moving in that direction. I'm hesitant to say that's definitely a bad thing tho. over stimulation is expected now. you're expected to be hyper and over-stimulated like everyone else or you're boring, you can't keep up! asked at a job interview if I tweet. like in porn it's not even a subtle theme you need to pick up on anymore, it's literal. look at mainstream porn on one of those tube sites, if it's not the other direction it's literally candy bubblegum bright-colored imagery. eg the sidebar ad in one of those xhamster videos was of a 'gamer girl' dressed in bright candy colors having sex while playing a video game.

I'm not super advocator of this and I can't say for sure it's a bad thing but I'll drop the link to the .pdf containing testimonials by those who did this PMO abstaining succesfully (should be up to date) so that everyone can make up their own minds.

http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/0.BENEFITS.pdf

btw never heard of kareza before, thought it was "edging" http://yourbrainonporn.com/what-if-i-use-porn-without-orgasm

re edging: I never tried that (sounds different than the kazaa thing I think), but I have noticed that not even looking at porno, just I guess erotic pics or vids (runs the wrong way at t-ball), has an effect on my mind. more free-floating anxiety, thinking less clearly. looks like I did fall into the trap of thinking it's ok to look as long as you don't touch your wiener. I'd definitely get that "rush" tho, which they're attributing to elevated levels of dopamine.
 
this stuff gets more than a little superstitious/OCD I think but yea I do believe masturbation and porn have certain effects on the brain

bonzy: re: kazaa http://yourbrainonporn.com/another-way-to-make-love