I know everybody is sick of AI image/music creation but would you guys say in the 2000s, the 10000th RPG Maker user stealing the Rudra tile/charasets and the like was similarly disparaged by the community? Or just reliance on RTP, not even ripping or searching for SNES game assets?

And in the music world, I remember every other electronic album in the 90s had some kind of fractal art or cg and I think people got sick of it too (which is my only concession these days, to use fractal art because I not good at drawing, plus I think it fits the music)

like I remember especially the asset stealing from games made me cringe in a similar way to AI now, but then again sometimes people's original graphics made me cringe too, including my own, so lol

Rpgmaker.net had an argument against AI versus ripping art from commercial games before it got shut down. I think what they said of it’s different stealing from 1000 small artists versus ripping graphics from a commercial game.

To me, I think they’re both not great and I’d rather you edit the RTP or make your own stick figures on sticky notes or paint just because it’s something that you made yourself. It’s about the creative spirit of it. Not to say that games that use AI art or rips don’t have a level of creativity to them. I think there’s just too many problems with AI when it comes to art that it doesn’t really feel ethical. Not sure if it’s the same issue with music, but honestly I’m not really that well informed on AI when it comes to creating music.

AI when making music basically just samples all of Soundcloud or all of Youtube for music sources, yeah. Although there is also generative music which is using algorithms to generate MIDI which I think is a little more ethical especially if you're making your own algorithms. You also probably will synthesize/mix your music by hand even if the sequences are determined for you. But yeah the AI music generators basically is like you type in 'make me sound like [band] or [genre]' and if it's a particular musician it sounds like a pretty bad imitation of them

I was using an AI sound effect generator for generating original breakbeats because in essence using breakbeats is stealing anyway, but I think I got all the mileage I could out of it after one LP anyway so I stopped. It's more satisfying synthesizing your own drums even if it's just like 'noise + sine wave', or you could always sample yourself hitting random objects even if you don't own a drum set irl. I got away from sampling drum machines too because it felt cheap and I didn't own any in real life except for a Yamaha DD-5 which I just recorded at a very slow tempo and sampled the individual hits in a DAW anyway, since I don't really know how to use hardware anyway and this was a drum pad rather than a sequencer, except for playing some preprogrammed loops

the sound generation site also had a thing where you could load in your own sounds/songs and get a 30 second clip of a variation on it. I tried it on my own track and it kept wanting to add guitars to it, it was annoying

https://shepic01.itch.io/aar

they released a roguelike

I guess the assets aren't made by them though? That kinda sucks

https://splendidland.itch.io/formless-star

short and sweet game