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Listen to my music, I'm kind of curious what would happen. :blarg:

http://www.last.fm/music/Ragnar/Homeland

Like Corno B for example, is like the most abstract thing ever

Convo, Toy Store and Mystic Cornflake are pretty freaking surreal too

Edit: Oh, and strangeloops and headonbeats too, and Boss Theme - Sewer. And somekindofcaveshit
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Listen to my music, I'm kind of curious what would happen. :blarg:

http://www.last.fm/music/Ragnar/Homeland

Like Corno B for example, is like the most abstract thing ever

Convo, Toy Store and Mystic Cornflake are pretty freaking surreal too

Edit: Oh, and strangeloops and headonbeats too, and Boss Theme - Sewer. And somekindofcaveshit

Haha, oh man that's pretty fantastic actually.

Anyone else can answer any questions of my post (last post on the previous page?)

EDIT: Ok we've decided to all take the shrooms 30 minutes apart from eachother, so first the other guy, then me, then the experienced friend. So that atleast one of us can comfort a little after a while. Is this ok?
Last Edit: August 03, 2007, 06:35:25 pm by Devnore
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Okay so this topic finally happened while I wasnt around. cool.
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Haha, oh man that's pretty fantastic actually.

Anyone else can answer any questions of my post (last post on the previous page?)

EDIT: Ok we've decided to all take the shrooms 30 minutes apart from eachother, so first the other guy, then me, then the experienced friend. So that atleast one of us can comfort a little after a while. Is this ok?

Whatever way you would feel most comfortable. I, however, would want to take them at the same time so that we peak around the same time and find comfort in the fact that everyone else is experiencing something similar and everything isn't going horribly wrong.
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Alright last Saturday was a wonderfull experience.

Me and a more 'experienced' friend (he used it two times before) decided to take mushrooms.
So we slept out in the morning so we were fully rested, we took breakfast (he was sleeping over), and basically did everything to make ourselves feel comfortable.
Afterwards we went to a nearby city by bus which had a so called Smartshop (shops where you can buy drugs in the Netherlands).
Unfortunately we arrived to early and had to wait for the shop to open, no problem, because there are plenty of other things to do while waiting anyway.
So when the shop opened we asked for 30g of Mexican shrooms, he didn't have it anymore (sold out or something, dunno) but he did have chocolate bars, so we decided to buy a chocolate bar.
Afterwards we went home, ate the chocolate bar and went to a nearby forest.
20 minutes went by while nothing happened, but we were just chillaxing in the woods.
Then I started to feel a bit sick, and my friend saw a 'purple spot' so we decided to go back to my place and just listen to music.
When I got home I felt really heavy so I just threw myself in a chair and we put on Disco Mushrooms by Infected Mushrooms.
While listening my friend asked if I saw anything yet, and I looked up and saw that the light spots coming in from the outside light were sort of dancing to the music in a slow way.
It looked really cool and I remember my friend saying he could see it on the floor as well.
Next I went back to my PC because someone was talking to me on MSN, and for some reason my computer screen really reminded me of Sayid from Lost.
The dancing lights became worse and we both decided to lie down.
From there on everything happened very slowly, and it felt as if the song was going on forever while I was living in realtime, periods of total "out of my miiiind"-s followed by periods in which I thought I was sober again only to find something else moving etc.
I was green in the mirror, I could see Tool -art and weird patterns with my eyes closed and everything felt weird or sometimes cool.
I remember going through my hair and moaning: "soooo nice". And I remember smiling like I never smiled all the time.
I laughed a lot as well, but for some reason I couldn't feel the feeling of laughter, just the feeling of my mouth opening itself way too far.
I can try and describe my experience but I would fail because it really is a unique experience, but it was fantastic.
There was some sort of spider as well somewhere in the trip, and I remember yelling "I'M NOT AFRAID OF YOU ANY LONGER!!" and hitting it with my hands, which looked really hilarious according to my friend.
Anyways, I was basically out of my mind the entire time and saying a lot of stuff that didn't make sense.
I do feel like that trip gave me a confidence boost because a lot of memories came up and I remember saying to some random person on msn: "i know it all know, i have the determination!".

So yeah, next time I'm gonna do it with more friends, and stay somewhere in the woods or something, because I just figure I would see a lot more cool stuff there (and I think I can handle staying in the woods, because even during my trip I could still do stuff like pour coke into a glass, go to the toilet, and I even stopped my friend from going outside because I knew that something would've happened).

I actually recommend everyone to at least try it once in their life, because it truly was an awesome experience.
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This may have already been asked, but I haven't been following the topic too closely, sorry if it is a repeat.

How often do you do them? Like as frequently as someone might drink or just special occasions? Also, how expensive is it? Do you budget for drugs or just buy on impulse?

Again sorry if these were answered
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This may have already been asked, but I haven't been following the topic too closely, sorry if it is a repeat.

How often do you do them? Like as frequently as someone might drink or just special occasions? Also, how expensive is it? Do you budget for drugs or just buy on impulse?

Again sorry if these were answered
I tend to use drugs on weekendly-basis, generally at a party, althou i smoke pot whenever.
I dont tend to budget for drugs, i just kinda use however much i want... i really should start to budget thou.
Prices are as follows around the norfolk area:
£5 1 drop/ 1 tab of acid.
£10 for 1/2g of MDMA
£15 for 1g of ketamine
£5 for 1/2g of speed (base)
£10 for 1/16th of weed
£25 for 1g of cocaine
£10 for 4 pills.
£1 per NOS balloon

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Can you guys elaborate more on the hallucinogen drugs, like DMT etc.
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DMT is a dissociative psychedelic that gets you really fucked up. Like fucked up to the point where you can have alien abduction type nearly lucid experiences. Your hallucinations on DMT can be so intensely real that you will have the tactile hallucinations of actually being able to touch things that arent really there, or being bound down by straps that don't really exist and you cannot physically break out of them, but can certainly feel their pressure against your skin.

Its the main active ingredient in Ayahuasca brews that South American shamans in like Peru and western Brazil use as their vessel to the spirit world or whatever. DMT is weird cause you can smoke it, inject it or drink it in a brew, and the effects are radically different for all three methods. They are better described on places like erowid.com and the lycaeum and stuff, trip reports are a lot better than what I can give you seeings how I've never done DMT and don't plan to any time soon (however watch out as many trip reports are GREATLY exaggerated in intensity)

and man marjuman... 20 bucks for a 1/16th of pot... who the fuck buys in that type quantity for that price... I think in most places around here people will pay anywhere from 3 to 6 bucks for a bowl pack, 10 for a nickel, 20 for a dime, and then 40 - 60 for an 1/8th ounce depending on the quality, beasters middies funk everything has its own base price and then more tacked on if its really nice... and then when you get up into the bulk ranges the pricing according to quality.. well it goes out the fuckin window. You can get 2 whole ounces of good funky shit for like 200 dollars, but for the same quality at 1 ounce it'd be like 150 or something. Dealers are pretty dumb in this neck of the woods. And I know its 6 - 10 bucks for a tab of acid, 6 for a 50 microgram hit, 10 for stuff thats really potent.. like 300 micrograms and up.

my drug of choice is definitely mescaline, and the pricing for that is all over the fucking place for several reasons. a) no one sells mescaline in tabs because a low dosage is 300 milligrams b) the powder is really inefficient.. difficult to make... and cacti dont grow well here so no one has it anyway and ordering over the internet is dangerous because the power is illegal c) actually buying the cacti themselves is legal (not peyote, but peruvian torch and san pedro are legal) and you can do it easily over ebay.. but its usually gonna cost 40 bucks with shipping and handling and you can get anywhere from 25" to 40" of cactus from that and its impossible to gauge the potency of a cactus by looking at it, and boiling it down to the right consistency is a tricky business. Once you have your brew you have to take a measured hit of it to use as a kind of ruler by which to measure dosages of the stuff because it will never be the same for two different brews.

All this makes it rather difficult to do mescaline on a regular basis (it doesnt keep well unrefrigerated either... and I dont think my parents would appreciate a nasty green bitter psychedelic tea in their refrigerator) But it is so worth it.

girlbones you live in arizona... you should definitely check into some peruvian torch/san pedro you could probably buy a BIG one at like... a fuckin garden store or something
Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 03:59:47 am by Wash Cycle
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DMT actually exists naturally in the human brain as well!
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DMT actually exists naturally in the human brain as well!
as does THC... theres a whole cannabinoid network in the brain that was recently (2000-2001 I think) discovered. It mostly works with memory, specifically the part involved with forgetting. I mean.. do you really want to remember all those faces and names that you saw/heard at work today? The cannabinoid network is responsible for getting rid of superfluous memories.. so its pretty important. Keeps the brain running nice and ship shape. However smoking pot overloads it with cannabinoids and well.. you start to forget important stuff too... :-\
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as does THC... theres a whole cannabinoid network in the brain that was recently (2000-2001 I think) discovered. It mostly works with memory, specifically the part involved with forgetting. I mean.. do you really want to remember all those faces and names that you saw/heard at work today? The cannabinoid network is responsible for getting rid of superfluous memories.. so its pretty important. Keeps the brain running nice and ship shape. However smoking pot overloads it with cannabinoids and well.. you start to forget important stuff too... :-\

Hmm... I'd need to seem some more evidence for this. Cannaboid receptors exist in the brain, obviously, yes, but as for actual THC. I'd need to see more!
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well I dont know if delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol actually exists in the brain but very similar chemicals surely do. there are tons of different kinds of cannabinoids.

I read about it in a book about botany recently it was pretty interesting. I cant really make a good case because I read through it pretty quickly, but I'm sure if I took time to digest it more fully and look for other sources I'd be able to make a better point.

but regardless.. this stuff is still new enough and not fully understood well enough for it to be taught in psychology and physiology classes yet. I mean... we didnt detect its existance until fucking 2000 at the earliest. Its in a whole realm of things in the brain that we are only on the cusp of understanding.
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well I dont know if delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol actually exists in the brain but very similar chemicals surely do. there are tons of different kinds of cannabinoids.

I read about it in a book about botany recently it was pretty interesting. I cant really make a good case because I read through it pretty quickly, but I'm sure if I took time to digest it more fully and look for other sources I'd be able to make a better point.

but regardless.. this stuff is still new enough and not fully understood well enough for it to be taught in psychology and physiology classes yet. I mean... we didnt detect its existance until fucking 2000 at the earliest. Its in a whole realm of things in the brain that we are only on the cusp of understanding.

It's not surprising seeing as we know so little about the brain. I mean, there are a ton of receptors we don't even have an explanation of their function yet! I forget where I read this, but there's study going in Africa and South America (or some other jungle places!) where they are looking for compounds that fit these receptor sites as it may lead to some interesting arguments in evolution and human-plant interaction.
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Can you guys elaborate more on the hallucinogen drugs, like DMT etc.

The theory goes (and I tend to believe this) that hallucinogens (better grouped into Psychedelics, Dissociatives, and Deliriants) allow your brain to interpret sensory and perceptive input in a way which is different than normal.

Aldous Huxley wrote an essay called doors of perception where he said that the mind has filters which prevent the brain from accepting ALL of reality, and instead intaking only the parts of reality which are essential to survival, such as the concept of functionality and representative sensory perceptions (i.e., the things that we see and hear and smell aren't really those things at all, but simplified symbols of the true nature of the thing "such as it is")

Huxley thought that using these psychoactives aided in the elimination of these filters, allowing you to experience more than just the minimum amount you need to survive. In terms of survival, it appears that our minds have reached a happy medium. We can accept and process enough information to continue living our lives and at the same time, we eliminate the more arbitrary connections our brains tend to create to sort of "optimize" the performance.

Two nights ago, I smoked about 1/5 gram of 40x concentrated salvia. (this is a fairly large amount.) I tripped sitting on a concrete porch between a brick wall and a sliding glass door. About 30 seconds after taking the hit (you have to smoke it all in one go) I laid down on my back as the bricks sort of arranged themselves in a wave like shape over me, sliding along like the entrance to Diagon alley in the harry potter movie. I put my hand out and grabbed hold of the edge of the brick wave (which wasn't there, the tactile sensation turned out later to be the pipe I was still holding) The sight and touch input of the rearranged bricks made me think about how arbitrary the things that humans make are. I thought about how everything is an arrangement of three types of atom particles and the only thing that gives these things meaning is how they are arranged my physics and manufacturing. Even intangible concepts like love or jealousy are made of atoms because they exist in our physical minds as a chemical reaction to a series of electrical impulses.

That's what I was thinking, but the whole time I was trying to talk to my friend (impossible for the first five minutes of a salvia trip) and saying things like "but you realize that it isn't even there like you can probably put your hand through it haha look I am doing it right now haha oh that's just the pipe well crap but still do you understand what I'm saying?"

How often do you do them? Like as frequently as someone might drink or just special occasions? Also, how expensive is it? Do you budget for drugs or just buy on impulse?

This summer I have done some sort of drug almost every day :P

Over the last few weeks, I have toned it down greatly though. Now, since I'm starting college in two weeks, I probably smoke weed about once every four days give or take. This summer, I spent about $20 - 30 a month on marijuana. It would have been more, but EVERYONE was smoking everyday, so EVERYONE had weed. Usually when you are smoking with a group of people, one person will volunteer their supply and everyone will smoke that person's weed that evening, so even though you are smoking every day, you don't have to buy that often to replenish your stash.

Other sorts of drugs are more expensive, but prices usually vary by seller so, yeah. I have been keeping track of how much money I spent on drugs this year, and so far it has  been $68. (Sharing is caring)   

EDIT: Wash-Cycle's sig is a pretty good depiction of the first 30 seconds of a salvia trip
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Well I personally believe that psychoactive plants are at the heart of early religion and thus also responsible for what we consider higher abstract thought these days. I'm not saying like the chemicals themselves caused the brain to mutate and thus evolve... because what sort of evolutionary advantage does using these chemicals confer... about nil. Regardless.. today we still refer to these drugs as 'consciousness-expanding'.. so why wasnt that true way back when? These compounds cause people to contemplate, to concentrate and think... I'm sure they stimulated thought the same way when we were barely sentient as they do now. They're more part of our cultural evolution than biological though I will say that (sup memetics/genetics). I guess its a pretty far-fetched idea, but no longer so radical.

also fuck salvia... hooray for a trip that lasts 30 minutes at the longest (and you can achieve the same type of visuals if you mix mescaline and acid the right way... ala taking a decent sized hit of mescaline... waiting an hour, taking another hit and then taking the acid about 15-30 minutes later) when you're in between the peaks of the two mescaline hits, the acid will start and then when you hit the second mescaline peak.. the visual hallucinations are unbelievable. where on salvia you might see geometric patterns or intense distortions of reality... in this type of experience the entire universe may turn into one gigantic arabesque.)

I'm tellin ya GB.. living in the soutwest.. you have ready access to mescaline and probably far cheaper than I can get. You should definitely try it.
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I like salvia because I can go to a store and buy it. (lazy) Also, my experience with salvia (limited) is that the effects scale greatly as you use larger amounts.
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I think I heard Leary talking about something similar in a video somewhere. Maybe I'll try to dig it up. He was talking about how perhaps man was similar to other animals at first, but after ingesting psylocybin mushrooms his consciousness expanded and changed. Of course, Leary was pretty radical (and that's putting it lightly), but he did have a lot of intelligent things to say, sometimes.
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heh you're probably thinking of his 8 series circuit of consciousness

which was...umm.. well it wasnt exactly a real theory (considering we only exist on the 5th or 6th circuit.. and the 7th only being reachable by mystics or like... the dali lama and the 8th being impossible for human beings to attain any time soon)

its mostly just hypothetical intellectual (druggie) carl saganism (however it does make PERFECT sense to someone who has experienced most/all the drugs that he associates with each circuit)
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I did salvia the other day and it was pretty beat. We got it for free from some kid who had a bunch though. I don't know what it was or anything, so I will probably try again, but this past time I could hardly feel any difference at all.