Topic: The Burned Out Loser Thread (Read 43427 times)

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Fuck, why aren't you guys coming to Leeds fest this year?

Also, I've always wondered, are cannabis seeds legal still? Same question with mushroom spores which are really chuffing confusing.

Basically leeds wont let us do the only head stall there, so my boss told em to go fuck themselves.

Yes, they are still legal. they are sold as gifts, i believe. BUT IT IS ILLEGAL TO GERMINATE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!

and mushrooms spore prints are still legal! just growing them isnt!!

look out next year for a replacement of eastern haze! should be bigger and better, and bongos are doing the only legal high store there!

Also! NEVER TRY 60x SALVIA IT MADE ME WANT TO DIE.

oh, and girlbones, look out for the volcano vaporiser, it is actually hardcore!

http://www.volcanovaponline.com/?gclid=CPKVq_mD7ZQCFQqyEAod4BhnqA

peace and treats ya'll

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Mushroom spores are still legal? Man I'm fucking chuffed- I was sure they banned them 3 years ago so didn't go looking.

Pity you guys won't be at Leeds- I near enough live off you when I'm there. Suppose there'll be other ones.

Edit: Whats a head stall?
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What the fuck man, how are you still alive/not insane after you combined MARIJUANA and LSD, I mean, for the love of Ra,
I have no idea what they actually do to but I assume that even if they are CLOSE to alcohol, then f*ck, I want LSD :(

This made me lawl.

Here is a question.... Who is going to burning man?

Also, I will soon be moving to santa cruz california to get into the... legal business. Anyone have any experience with this?
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hahaha acid's pretty fucking awesome
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I can't trust a hit of it here in NL it's impossible to find some,  I've been thinking on getting my pal from Edmonton to send me a sheet.
Also a few questions for smart asses (you can pm me if you like). How hard is it to get a "herb" to stay under 2ft and how much can you cultivate off it? I've half considered having one for personal use in the room (I have a 2ft cubed space for one with a light inside already built in...)


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The only drug I have experience with is alcohol so I'd say that apart from soft drugs (alcohol, marijuana, etc), habitual drug use is irrational and generally not a good thing.  However if you take mushrooms like once a year I'm sure you won't die and I can see what people get out of that.

I'd also like to add that as for the legality of drugs, I think every drug should be 100% legal for three basic reasons:
 
a) The government should never be able to encroach on your body rights unless it is absolutely necessary (if for instance there's a bullet inside of you that would implicate you in a murder, then the government should have the right to take it out to analyze it, but the government can't prevent you from smoking a cigarette or eating bacon or cutting yourself if you're emo)

b) legalizing drugs means that they become government-regulated, taking profits out of the hands of criminal organizations and making drugs healthier on the whole.  I think there might be a marginal increase in the rate of drug use but nothing huge, since I think if anyone really wanted to do heroin, they would do it whether it was legal or not (I know it seems counterintuitive, but think: have any of you actually wanted to do heroin? There are lots of barriers, like the fact that it's absurdly unhealthy, keeping people from ever wanting to do that)

c) when drugs are legal, drug-users are treated as people suffering from an illness, and not as criminals, so they can actually seek help for their addictions.

Again, I may think that drugs aren't right for me, but that doesn't mean I should be allowed to decide whether they're right for everybody.  Plenty of productive, intelligent people do drugs so it isn't a universally bad thing.  I just don't like it myself.
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If you aren't aware eyesore, Many drugs can KILL you.  That is one key reason why a lot of drugs won't be legalized. Acid has a chance (albeit very very low) of having a relapse.  Heroine and Meth and things like that can kill you in many ways, most common is overuse or heart attacks from habitual use.
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I think the key is knowing your limits and the general limits of the human body. I'm fairly sure eyesore is aware they can kill you, I think he was just pointing out the fact that sparse use of many drugs won't be very harmful.

Most users on here seem quite smart. They seem to lean much more towards the less addictive, mind expanding side of drugs rather than the habit forming buzz side. I've never been interested in heroin or ice, I've really just always wanted to have a chance to experience different things.
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Wyrm you missed the point.  When drugs are illegal they are still unhealthy.  Do you believe that more people would do heroin if it were legal?  When you ask people why they don't use drugs, which of the following reasons do they give you:

1-It's unhealthy
2-It's illegal

(hint: no one answers with #2)

I think that drugs become healthier when legalized because then the government has an obligation to regulate it, and organized crime doesn't involve itself with it.  Remember that the majority of overdoses happen because of bad mixes.  Lots of people also get HIV through intravenous drug use, another huge problem with hard drugs.  None of these things can ever happen if drugs are legal because the government has to regulate their content and control their potency.

As for people who use drugs, again I'd say that things like mushrooms/etc that people enjoy occasionally but aren't fiercely addicted to are fine and I don't think it's necessarily irrational to do that.  I think if you want to live as long as possible, if that is one of your priorities in life, then you probably shouldn't do drugs of any kind (unless they're medicinal).  That works for me because I want to live forever, and because I derive enjoyment out of things like videogames, rpg making, things that I don't need drugs for.  If other people derive enjoyment out of drugs, and would live a more fulfilling life if they lived one less year but got to be stoned more often, that's fine and neither the government nor anyone else should judge them for that.

edit: maybe this sounds incoherent, I used to be very close-minded about drugs and now it's the total opposite, so sometimes I might say contentious things like "taking mushrooms occasionally is rational".  I might be wrong because I don't have much experience with drugs myself
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It's good to hear more people who don't take drugs with rational attitudes like that.

I think you'd find it really interesting if you did some research into it - on average things like marijuana and LSD are much, much less harmful than alcohol or tobacco. It's slightly skewed because the rates of use are so different for each, but a lot of people take marijuana and it hasn't caused one direct death in history (much unlike alcohol which causes thousands per annum). I read a really interesting article in a science magazine (new scientist, from memory) on marijuana and its medicinal uses.

I believe people can still lead very healthy, rich lives while still indulging in stuff like hallucinogens from time to time. Hopefully the day comes while I'm alive that marijuana is legalised, but if anything it seems like it's heading more in the opposite direction. For example, our government said something like this in their yearly reports (paraphrased of course):

Marijuana - Marijuana continues to be a scourge on our teen society and rates of use have been increasing during the year. Harsher laws are being lobbied for...(blah blah blah)

Alcohol - This year alcohol was a boon for Australia, with the wine industries of South and Western Australia especially thriving, winning many world class awards...(blah blah blah)

This was a year when nearly 3000 people died from alcohol-related deaths and marijuana caused none.

Of course it's not proven beyond a doubt that long-term marijuana use isn't harmful, but there's not infallible evidence to say it is either. Whereas with alcohol there's plenty of factual evidence.

I can't smoke weed anymore (I don't know what happened but my brain dislikes the feeling quite heavily nowadays, but I miss it) but I still think it's a great thing for people who enjoy it and it's definitely not harmful enough to be illegal.
Last Edit: August 19, 2008, 12:48:00 am by PTizzle
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Acid has a chance (albeit very very low) of having a relapse

i dont think you know what relapse means or what acid is at all. acid cannot kill you at all, unless you took an EXTREMELY high dose in the gram range or something, and even then you'd probably just go in a permanent state of psychosis or something. The only thing remotely "dangerous" about LSD is that it may be linked to uncovering hidden psychological problems (that would be uncovered eventually anyway).
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I for one dont believe in flashbacks (or that LSD remains in your spinal column (provide me with evidence that doesnt come from our government/the DEA and I will be convinced))

but yeah I could see where someone in a high stress situation who has had prior experiences with psychedelics could start tripping again. However, you would have had to have not eaten or drank for several days, spent some time in extreme heat or cold and have not slept. So yeah flashbacks heh whatever
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HPPD tho
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HPPD tho
from wikipedia: HPPD is distinct from flashbacks by reason of its relative permanence; while flashbacks are transient, HPPD is persistent. HPPD is a DSM-IV diagnosis with diagnostic code 292.89.

are flashbacks in the DSM-IV? Not to my knowledge

edit: also does this sound like a full blown 'tripping again crash a car and kill a guy' kind of flashback (wiki recognizes HPPD as what most people consider flashbacks): "There are a number of perceptual changes that can accompany HPPD. Typical symptoms of the disorder include: halos surrounding objects, trails following objects in motion, difficulty distinguishing between colors, apparent shifts in the hue of a given item, the illusion of movement in a static setting, air assuming a grainy or textured quality (visual snow or static, by popular description), distortions in the dimensions of a perceived object, and a heightened awareness of floaters. The visual alterations experienced by those with HPPD are not homogeneous and there appear to be individual differences in both the number and intensity of symptoms."?

whooooooop deee fuckin dooo halos, trails, color issues, and other visual/sensory distortions! Granted if such a thing happened you probably wouldnt want to be driving a car or doing anything labor intensive but still its not like BAM all of a sudden you are fucking tripping again. Which is why I dont believe in 'flashbacks' as the common perception of them is concerned. I experience this HPPD or whatever (this is the first time I've ever seen it given a bona fide medically accepted description though) on a fairly regular basis, but especially so cause I did mescaline twice in the last month, and that whole mescaline reality doesnt really... go away after you stop tripping in earnest for a while.
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Do any of you guys enjoy eating macdonalds after smoking marijuana??
haha there was this one period where me and my friends would head down to mcd's right after finishing a gram. i'd always find myself dancing infront of the counter while the dude's trying to get my order. but yeah, that angus is awesomeee.
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wc i was saying:

i dont really believe in flashbacks either but there's still hppd which isl one potentially dangerous side of psychedellics

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wc i was saying:

i dont really believe in flashbacks either but there's still hppd which isl one potentially dangerous side of psychedellics

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sorry dude I dont know why I flipped, I must have been in one of my cranky as fuck bakes early in the morning on a bad day

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this is what drugs are doing to you...........

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this is what drugs are doing to you...........

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no its what shitty jobs and living with your parents do to you
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The 2c's were the same for me as they were for you, mild acid like visuals, without the headfuck..

Acid is the question. DMT is the answer.


did you know the 2c's are part of the mesculine family? (or so im told? if you can confirm this DC, or WC, would be cool..)

I went to boom festival (7 days of psytrance in portugal) and tripple dropped hoffman 100th aniversay tabs on the 3rd night. They were beautiful! had 8more that night... so fluid, and colourful, it was bliss. Spent all my money on it though, got so hyped up by it. Starved for the rest of the festival. Haha.