ya you don't know what you're talking about you know what some guy said.

a) yeah eagle is (probably) gay. that's pretty obvious. (but not officially confirmed either)

b)

HOWEVER, other people who can read Japanese have
been kind enough to try to get and dig through official sources so far, and
so far have been unable to find the official statement that states Zangief
is gay.

end.

Just because he doesn't find women hot doesn't make him gay. That's just broken logic. He never says he finds men attractive, either. Zangief could very well just be asexual (not the correct use of the term, but you know what I mean).

why are we discussing the sexual orientations of imaginary people in a fighting game

i hate you

then again he thinks Dictator is beautiful so i don't know what he is smoking.

Really? Where does it say that?

Actually I think casual fans would care more for story than say, hardcore fans or elitists.

Besides, not all of us are casual. I admit I'm casual but there's Raziel, the scrub eater.

Way to grab one sentence out of several paragraphs and try to make a stand with it. Epic fail.

funny because one sentence is a lot in terms of street fighter's "deep" storyline (being mostly win quotes and second long endings).

And the reason we're discussing it is because I'm attempting to show that SF has a long and deep story and this new SF4 is ruining it. I realize alot of you casual fans don't care about story and that's fine I guess. But the more hardcore gamers like myself who have played the SF series since it first came out a couple decades ago care.

uh... no?

i mean i've traveled to enter tournaments for these games and all that jazz, but you don't hear me bitching about storylines.  heh guess im not like you hardcore gamer folk.

granted, mvc2 is the only game i could possibly survive tournament play in but i could still say i know more about super street fighter 2 turbo than you.  In fighting games, gameplay mechanics are way more important than storyline simply because they correspond to 90% of what people are actually doing in game.  9% fiddling in options menu, another .5% trying to make cool tunes moving the cursor around in the main menu then the rest going to that deep storyline you won't shut up about. 

even if you weren't arguing that storyline is more important than gameplay, you are still putting too much emphasis on it.  I would much rather have ono develop a nice, fun and balanced fighting game with some fresh new mechanics to add to the fighting game scene than making some maybe slightly longer ridiculous cutscenes in game that detract from gameplay. 

hell, so what if this game takes place between sf2 and sf3, any good writer could probably still make that work in a cool way, at least for street fighter standards.  Seriously if you think street fighter has a deep storyline go read a godamn book or something. 

Way to grab one sentence out of several paragraphs and try to make a stand with it. Epic fail.

one sentence that says it isn't officially confirmed and therefore negates the rest of the text, because the rest is speculative.

And the reason we're discussing it is because I'm attempting to show that SF has a long and deep story and this new SF4 is ruining it. I realize alot of you casual fans don't care about story and that's fine I guess. But the more hardcore gamers like myself who have played the SF series since it first came out a couple decades ago care.

post me some frame data from every character in 3s or ST (a bit from each character) (without looking it up on the mook or some frame data site)


i can guarantee you justin wong doesn't give a shit about the street fighter story, and if you don't think he is a hardcore gamer then i will laugh in your face and call you an idiot. i played street fighter when it first came out too buddy, but to say story matters in a fighting game is dumb. absolutely 0 companies who make these games care about the story. hell, even SNK makes dream matches to put every character they could possibly want to into their games some times JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN, or revive characters RANDOMLY (a...a..clone...).

edit: also raziel doesn't care and he's played with justin wong and is way more hardcore than most people here k

you are basically getting mad at Capcom for trying to make money which is something they are going to need a lot of if they are going to continue this series

So Rone Rivendale which would you rather have capcom making money because people like the characters in ST more than 3S, especially Bison, and continuing the series, or are you so HARDKORE that you would rather the game was a financial failure like Street Fighter 3 and they don't make another game ever again in the series. for such a canon nut you haven't even given them time to explain it in the highly cliche way they will most likely do it. Bison has been able to take parts of his soul and tear them away, as Rose is the good parts of Bison soul, which he took over and corrupted for SF2 from Alpha, so who is to say he didn't take the evil part of his soul, and emptied it at last minute before the Shun Goku Satsu or something equally dumb (assuming Bison died officially by Akuma's hands (pretty much never officially stated))
edit:

Really? Where does it say that?

CvS2 iirc.

fyi this plot stuff is the worst ever, rone, congrats you just shot your argument in the foot.

also until it's officially confirmed, he's not gay despite how much rone wants him to be.

Replies to various comments made since my last post. ^_^

CvsS2 isn't a canon game. :P

Yes it is. It is in it's own canon, and we were talking about Street fighter characters, but I never said SF canon.

SFIII:TS may not have been a financial success but it is the best SF game ever made tied with SFA3. IMO of course.

Super Turbo.

SNK makes dream matches BECAUSE they care about their storyline and dream matches are the only way they can make games with all the characters that their fans like without having to worry about ruining the story. IF SF4 was announced to be a dream match type game than I would be okie with it.

more like because they want to make mad ducats and the best way to do that is to throw every character ever into a single game that sucks.

There is a difference between a hardcore fan of a game and a tournament player who plays a game for 1000 hours because he wants money.

No, your definition of hardcore is wrong. Hardcore in the gaming industry, is one who takes a game to its highest level, generally spending thousands of hours in it/going to the tournament level.


nice to know you would rather have Capcom financially bomb one of their greatest fighting game series than do what they've done every single Street Fighter before it and add characters by changing the canon around.

god fucking damn, as far as I'm concerned that doesn't make you a fan even.

Hardcore gamers, imo, are just people really into gaming. They follow everything they can, they play a lot, etc. They do not need to even come anywhere close to becoming a tourney player. And no, he was right, SF3 is the best SF (no such things as opinions   ​).

And Capcom does not need to change canon to add new characters, nor do they need to change canon to have the game not bomb.

Hardcore gamers, imo, are just people really into gaming. They follow everything they can, they play a lot, etc. They do not need to even come anywhere close to becoming a tourney player. And no, he was right, SF3 is the best SF (no such things as opinions   ​).

And Capcom does not need to change canon to add new characters, nor do they need to change canon to have the game not bomb.

ya they do, by adding Bison they are changing the canon in some regard. Bison was officially called missing in 3s, but he was shown dying sometimes in ST (by Akuma), which means either Akuma didn't kill him, and this is the real Bison, who goes missing for some reason, or he did die, but took his soul into another being and possessed it, or he is a cyborg zombie yak, or it's a clone, or....

too many people like bison and the more characters they add from the games that sold well, the more likely the game is going to sell well.

but it is very confusing for bison to be here, and so they are going to have to say something. Mind you, by making a Street Fighter IV, they've already changed the canon.

ya they do, by adding Bison they are changing the canon in some regard. Bison was officially called missing in 3s, but he was shown dying sometimes in ST (by Akuma), which means either Akuma didn't kill him, and this is the real Bison, who goes missing for some reason, or he did die, but took his soul into another being and possessed it, or he is a cyborg zombie yak, or it's a clone, or....

too many people like bison and the more characters they add from the games that sold well, the more likely the game is going to sell well.

but it is very confusing for bison to be here, and so they are going to have to say something. Mind you, by making a Street Fighter IV, they've already changed the canon.

They don't need Bison for this game to sell well. They need Bison to shut up the miserable little nerds who whine over the shittiest things.

I am happy myself that Bison is in, I just want them to give it a good explanation. Isn't Akuma's raging demon draggint the persons soul into hell? One legitimate reasoning was that Bison could have cleared his mind of all positive and negative thoughts so he wasn't affected by it. I really don't know, like I said I'm not too familiar with SF canon, and I'm not going to look it up. I just think Capcom should have a non shit explanation for their actions. No need to say LOL THIS IS JUST A FIGHTING GAME  STOP CARING ABOUT CANON. Just because it's a fighting game doesn't mean they can't put in some effort.

They don't need Bison for this game to sell well. They need Bison to shut up the miserable little nerds who whine over the shittiest things.

no they don't, but it'll help. They are shooting for the old ST crowd, the people who played in arcade, the same people who see 4 and go "wha? there was a street fighter 3??"

I am happy myself that Bison is in, I just want them to give it a good explanation. Isn't Akuma's raging demon draggint the persons soul into hell? One legitimate reasoning was that Bison could have cleared his mind of all positive and negative thoughts so he wasn't affected by it. I really don't know, like I said I'm not too familiar with SF canon, and I'm not going to look it up. I just think Capcom should have a non shit explanation for their actions. No need to say LOL THIS IS JUST A FIGHTING GAME  STOP CARING ABOUT CANON. Just because it's a fighting game doesn't mean they can't put in some effort.

Yes, which is why I am saying he could of took the last half of his soul and removed it. Or something.

they'll give some bs explanation. They always do.

more like because they want to make mad ducats and the best way to do that is to throw every character ever into a single game that sucks.

No, you suck.

Also man when will this debate finish? I've grown tired of it.

No, you suck.

Also man when will this debate finish? I've grown tired of it.

man the dream match KOFs are my least favorites, they all blow.

this debate won't end because Rone seems hellbent on convincing us a game that didn't come out yet violates a very bad canon no one cares about!

ok good, since you weren't every flamed, and like story in some shit, let's just ignore you!

Wondering when they are gonna announce the 5th loketest, I want more infos. I bet they're gonna have 2 new characters in there at least. And hopefully Rufus won't be so bad.

Oh right, they explained M. Bison's return: new body. LOOOOOL ABLE TO DO WACKY STUFF WITH MY SOUL.

The next loketest is the last, should contain the final roster.