Weird Problem with my Pioneer DVD-RW (Read 1133 times)

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Okay, let's see...

I own a Pioneer DVR-110D and I've had it for a few years now.

I never had a problem with it until recently... Some of you in this forum might remember I changed my motherboard and CPU not so long ago.
After the change, for some miraculous reason, Windows survived and I didn't need to re-install...

Now, I've noticed my DVD drive is EXTREMELY slow both reading and writing (As a matter of fact I cannot get more than 2x when burning)

I am 99% certain this is related to not having reinstalled windows (ie. Driver issues)

Now, does anyone know how to fix this without having to reinstall windows (Because I really cannot afford that atm)?

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It might be your motherboard or the connection cables. Are you using the same ones you did when you first got your DVD-RW? I say this because there are two types of connector ribbons in the 40-pin style. Theres a 40 wire connector and an 80 wire connector. The 80 wire connector is used in alot of newer products. This might be your problem. Check your ribbons. Also, note that since windows is installed on your HDD and the motherboard boots from the HDD that you probably won't have to reinstall windows every time you get a new motherboard anyways.
Last Edit: October 17, 2007, 09:44:51 pm by Warlin
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Usually when you change Mobo and CPU windows goes BSOD on start.
Also please explain more on this cable thing...

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Alright, your harddrive and your DVD-RW are connected to your Motherboard through Ribbon Cables. These have 40 pins. However, there are two different types. 40 wire and 80 wire. This doesn't seem to make much sense but the 80 wire ribbon cable is 'highspeed'. Most new devices today take advantage of this new highspeed cable. However, the old cables are still around and pretty prevalent. Open your PC and check your cables. You should be able to tell if its a 40 wire ribbon cable or an 80 wire. You can tell by how smooth it is. If its decently rough and you can practically count all 40 wires its probably a lowspeed version.
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Hmm I'll check that. I'm pretty sure I'm using the same cables. I could be mistaken, though.

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Ok I changed the cable and used an ATA 133 round cable (I formerly used that with an HD) and no, it didn't help anything.

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is the drive set to use DMA in device manager?
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is the drive set to use DMA in device manager?

I don't see the option in anywhere.  :fogetshrug:
I'm certain it's set to Auto in the BIOS, though.

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Hmm, theres only one other thing I can think of. Check your power supply. It may be that theres not enough power for your motherboard. Consult your motherboard book and your DVD-RW drive book. If you don't have them, contact the manufacturers.
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I would guess its on PIO mode instead of DMA. I had similiar problems... PIO is about... 10 3 times slower than DMA which can make your devices feel really slow... Here is a quick way to check... go into your device manager under IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers;



then go to properties of the controller you have the device on and click the advanced settings tab. Change it from PIO to DMA if need be;


Lemme know if this works. 95% of the time I hear about this problem, this is the solution.


EDIT; to give you an idea of the speed difference between PIO and DMA here is some rates from one of my X86 hardware books:

PIO;

PIO Mode 0 = 3MB/sec
PIO Mode 1 = 5MB/sec
PIO Mode 2 = 8MB/sec
PIO Mode 3 = 11MB/sec
PIO Mode 4 = 16.6MB/sec

DMA;
Ultra DMA Mode 0 = 17MB/sec
Ultra DMA Mode 1 = 25MB/sec
Ultra DMA Mode 2 = 33MB/sec
Ultra DMA Mode 3 = 44MB/sec

These are the theoretical peak speeds, but they will NEVER achieve these speeds or even 60% of these speeds for longer than a few milliseconds. 
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Man, I was checking the Secondary IDE (The DVD-RW, since the HD is in Ultra-DMA 5 (lolwut))

And here's what I got:



And I don't know how to change/fix that. I tried going into my BIOS and setting PIO to 4 and DMA to UDMA 4 (Both were on AUTO before but it didn't really work)

Any suggestions now?



Warlin, it's not the powersource, I currently got a Purepower 430W Thermaltake. The power source cost more than the CPU.

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Windows NT 4.0-6.0(vista) usually toss out most configurations made by the BIOS and use its own. That being said what you do in the BIOS wont affect it(shouldn't atleast)

So if you set it to "DMA if available" + restarted windows and its still on PIO that probably means all your DMA(Direct memory access) channels are in use.

My knowledge of DMA is a bit dated since the last time I ever had to any in dept configuration of them was back in 97. However, back in those days there were 8 DMA channels (0-7). I bet there are more now, but eitherway I bet you just have to free one up. Go through the list of you controllers and see if you cant find something using DMA that you dont really need to be that fast. Change it to PIO and let me know what happens
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Windows NT 4.0-6.0(vista) usually toss out most configurations made by the BIOS and use its own. That being said what you do in the BIOS wont affect it(shouldn't atleast)

So if you set it to "DMA if available" + restarted windows and its still on PIO that probably means all your DMA(Direct memory access) channels are in use.

My knowledge of DMA is a bit dated since the last time I ever had to any in dept configuration of them was back in 97. However, back in those days there were 8 DMA channels (0-7). I bet there are more now, but eitherway I bet you just have to free one up. Go through the list of you controllers and see if you cant find something using DMA that you dont really need to be that fast. Change it to PIO and let me know what happens

Using XP Sp2, Vista is a piece of shit.

Additionally... What could be using so many DMA channels? I have two HDs (One of which is SATA) and the DVDRW.
HD1 is Primary IDE Master.
DVDRW is Secondary IDE Master.
Last Edit: October 21, 2007, 06:30:45 pm by Lord Kamina

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Ok...

It's fixed!

Here's what I did:

It seems I still had some residual nForce drivers installed on my system, so I used DriverCleaner on them, then from the Device manager procceeded to uninstall my DVDRW and the secondary IDE Channel entirely. Then I rebooted and let Windows install both the IDE and the burner back and now it's set in UltraDMA 4, and it's finally burning back at 8x!

Thank you guys for the help snippets, I wouldn't have been able to solve it without the PIO/DMA thing.

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Heh, no problem! Glad I could offer some help! Lemme know if any other problems arise...
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Glad I could *Try* to help.
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