Sure KK4, killing a lot of people and poisoning the environment forever is a very cool thing!

Man, that isn't what he is saying at all.

Sure KK4, killing a lot of people and poisoning the environment forever is a very cool thing!

You guys are fucking stupid. If you actually read what he said you would notice that he did not once say cool. In fact, he even gave a dictionary definition of the word neat. And he's fucking right, it's neat.

Man am I even allowed to say people are fucking stupid? Even when it's so god damn true? 

Nukes are neat, I like nukes

Nukes are fun

If you'd read his posts, you'd probably realize that he's not the sharpest tool in the barn and rationalizing his arguments well after he's come out with weird, half-formed opinions. And despite his quoting of the definition of the word 'neat', his other posts have used it in an entirely different context.

Nuclear weapons are absolutely awful on every level and it's horrible that they were ever made. While you can argue the strategic value of wiping out the opposition rather than engaging them in an organized battle, it also leads to Mutually Assured Destruction and the constant thread of things like nuclear terrorism and dirty bombs, not to mention the horrible radioactivity and cancer rates associated with disasters like the Russian nuclear spills (no I'm not talking about Chernobyl, I am a big proponent of nuclear energy) and lingering disease/deformations in the populations of areas afflicted by nuclear testing or in the case of Hiroshima/Nagasaki, bombardment.

The overall age-adjusted (World Population Standard) cancer incidence has increased from 217 to 301 per 100,000 among males, and from 176 to 197 per 100,000 among females during the first 30 years of cancer registration.

That's not to mention that the overall effects of the bomb ended up killing primarily civilians.

Situations like these are fucking scary as hell - I don't care why, the fact that we had no idea where our nukes were for even slightly over a day is frightening.

 It's a testament to the degree to which we've opened Pandora's Box with shit like this. Just because we survived the Cold War doesn't mean that the computer simulations which predicted an 85% chance of the launch of nuclear weapons weren't true. And losing track of these things is probably one of the stupidest mistakes it's possible to make.

here's a nice little bit of information: KK4 was a nazi less than five years ago to the extent that he purchased nazi memorabilia, believes that guns are tools of liberty and taking a gun away from anyone subtracts FREEEEEDOM from them, believes men in black hoods are coming to slit his throat if he doesn't shoot them first, stopped being a Nazi because "Hitler and the 3rd Reich was funded by the US establishment. I had originally been of the belief that Hitler was an individual who rose to power by force of will alone and rebuilt a shattered empire into a vast army it took the entire world to defeat" (instead of, you know, Hitler being despicable in all ways) and in a PM he sent to me, said he was "concerned for the well being of my race", being white. he also believes in a "globalist crime syndicate" run by jews looking to create enemies, and is notorious for having garbage opinions on everything, as documented here.

despite the fact that his every non-white noise reply is borderline racist, fascist, or just plain malicious, he will never be banned, but he's free to wander into legitimate topics and get them locked because apparently we can warn someone for posting twice in a row but allow people who espouse nuclear weapons as neat and fun to post freely!

no dude, you're a fucking dick for rolling another topic into the ground with your massive libertarian SLIT YOUR THROAT girth and you stopped being entertaining after the politics thread got locked because now all you do is go into legitimate threads (and it's not like I adore this thread or anything, so that should indicate how despicable you are) and post something so goddam batshit that people have to comment.

you're the right wing version of Doktormartini which makes you 100 times worse because at least Martini acts out of some misguided love where as you just love misguiding, saying shit like how mass murder is fake when it's the murder of a minority (HOLOCAUST WAS A LIE DARFUR SHOULD BE STATES RIGHTS) or how awesome it is when it's a big fucking gun.

also I would like to point out he never said I lied because I wasn't lying and you can verify it yourself if you want.

I'm not done with you because honestly I don't think anyone can be done with you until you hang yourself from a girder, but I don't think most ropes would hold your girth and your ego together.

Also, depleted uranium deforming Iraqi babies and giving people all over the world cancer.

Uranium-238 is only poisonous if ingested directly and it's isotopes only spread a few centimeters on impact and can be absorbed by something as small as a piece of paper.  The isotopes are also nearly similar to that of natural uranium found in our bones.  If anyone gets cancer from DU, they would need to be hit by several rounds and survive... which is fucking unlikely. 

Any and all cases that link cancer or health incidents to DU are completely unproven or based on one sided tests and observations.

As far as this news goes, I think it's retarded they're blaming LOL AIRMEN.  I'm sure most of you guys don't understand my hatred because you're not in the military (where the fuck is Belross... OH GOD WHAT IF HE'S INVOLVED!!) but the blame should completely fall on the superiors or whoever planned this.  I'm glad to see some officers got fired, but to blame the common workers for FOLLOWING PROTOCOL regardless of what that protocol is is completely retarded and it's only used to satiate the hungry civilian who wants some sense of LULZ JUSTICE because they don't understand the situation.

Fuck military politics.  I can't wait until my enlistment is over.

Uranium-238 is only poisonous if ingested directly and it's isotopes only spread a few centimeters on impact and can be absorbed by something as small as a piece of paper.  The isotopes are also nearly similar to that of natural uranium found in our bones.  If anyone gets cancer from DU, they would need to be hit by several rounds and survive... which is fucking unlikely. 

Any and all cases that link cancer or health incidents to DU are completely unproven or based on one sided tests and observations.

So you're saying that gulf war syndrome does not exist?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

but the blame should completely fall on the superiors or whoever planned this.  I'm glad to see some officers got fired, but to blame the common workers for FOLLOWING PROTOCOL regardless of what that protocol is is completely retarded and it's only used to satiate the hungry civilian who wants some sense of LULZ JUSTICE because they don't understand the situation.

Fuck military politics.  I can't wait until my enlistment is over.

QFT.  Jesus Fuck Christ is this accurate.

Wouldn't the airmen be just as reposnsible for not following the proper procedure though? Or at least reporting their senior officer for ordering them to do otherwise?

No because they're given the orders in the first place and would be punished for disobeying them.  You can bring up grievance reports, but you cannot just outright REFUSE an order.  The military doesn't work like that.  You're given an order and you're trained to believe that it comes with sound reasoning.  Unless these airmen willfully disobeyed direct orders by taking shortcuts, they shouldn't be punished for following what they're told.

But the media is vicious and the American public is retarded when it comes to military protocol because, naturally, only people in the military or with military families know what really goes on.  Just look at Vietnam; most of the public viciously spat on the injured soldiers who returned to the soil because they were committing an "injustice" but it all came from someone higher than them.  Don't blame the soldiers, blame the guys who give them orders.  They relieved some officers of duty, but in military terms that means "retired with slightly lower than average pension."  These airmen will most likely get a court martial and thrown in Levinworth for years... and let me tell you folks, Levinworth is a different kind of prison.  Think Oz but 20x worse.  The inmates are all trained soldiers, sailors, and marines; one false move and your ass is grass.

So you're saying that gulf war syndrome does not exist?

No, I'm saying that the independent research of a group of "experts" followed by a handful of pictures doesn't prove without a reasonable doubt that DU is MASSIVELY TOXIC.  It is a toxic metal, there's no denying that, but there are hundreds of various factors that can cause birth defects and cancer among Americans and Iraqi people including parasites, an early anthrax vaccine, chemical weapons such as mustard and nerve gas, pesticides, smoke, and various other untested vaccinations and chemicals used by both Americans and the enemy.

Pretty much everything causes cancer.  You can't just narrow it down to one thing and say it's true because some doctor tested a handful of soldier's urine and connected the chemical to DU and DU only. 

Well I don't understand. Wouldn't the airmen already know the proper procedure? Or would direct orders override that? You make it sound like you can NEVER refuse an order, but what about orders that are crystally clear wrong? I.E. Go stomp that babies head in over there. And if you ARE drilled to NEVER refuse an order, then I totally agree, why the hell would you punish the people taking orders?

Because policies aren't created by enlisted personell.  They may have been trained in handling the nuclear arms, but the protocol for delivering them was completely out of their hands.  Doing routine maintenance on a warhead it completely different from smashing babies.  There's no moral objections to checking in a nuclear warhead when it's something you're trained in doing, but discovering that you've been doing the wrong thing because you were TRAINED to do it and then getting punished for it?  That's a completely different story.

Almost feel as though this quote is coming true;

"The day had finally come. Plutonious has finally wreaked havoc upon the earth, leaving the world in vast wastelands. The ghouls are strong and true, and they are the new race now, the smoothskins will be erased from history"

Kudos to the first to name the source!

war.

war never changes.