I imagine the only thing that gives people the illusion that Ron Paul is significant is the internet? I don't know for sure, but in my experience people generally don't even consider him an option when discussing political candidates. he has less a chance at winning the presidential election than these guys imo

not going to reply to KK4 because he's a fucking moron but yeah, it's only online. Ron Paul has barely polled above the margin of error (only managing to do so TWICE so far since he announced his candidacy) and both times by only one percent.

I wish he would get the nomination because he would be slaughtered so hard for his policies it would kill half the libertarians on the internet.

Also he gets laughed at cause his views are so radically different then the other members of his party (he has good views but Kucinich is better imo).

he has horrible views.

http://www.brokenlibrarian.org/ronpaul/ -a fairly objective description of Ron Paul's hideous views.

of particular note.

The Darfur Accountability and Divestment Act - HR180 - 2007 - 110th Congress

Summary: This bill simultaneously prevents any federal government employee or agency from entering into or renewing a contract with any person or organization doing business with the government of Sudan, and authorizes state and local governments to do the same. This bill does not establish any economic sanctions or other restrictions on the business activities of private individuals; it is solely an act of divestment by the United States government itself.

Representative Ron Paul voted Nay on HR180.

the only one to do so.

the invisible hand of the free market will decide if darfur is a genocide

My plan also allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain and
prevent Iraq from becoming a haven for international terrorism and reduce
the risk of all-out chaos. In addition, we will redeploy our troops to
other locations in the region, reassuring our allies that we will stay
engaged in the Middle East. And my plan includes a robust regional
diplomatic strategy that includes talking to Syria and Iran – something
this Administration has finally embraced.

Also not to mention that Obama lies.

^^^^ for fuck's sake you are ridiculous. do you live in a magic world where a candidate that says FUCK IRAQ LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER out in the open gets elected? do hamburgers eat people in magic doktormartini land? probaby because COWS ROAM THE EARTH AS THEY SHOULD.

man kk4...

I seriously am concerned about your mental health sometimes. like, the constitution needs to be reaffirmed? since when? enemy combatant status was PURPOSEFULLY left out of the constitution because of the british, just like your precious right to guns was left in.

I mean, I like how you said WHO CARES ABOUT DARFUR...THE CONSTITUTION IS AT RISK, but the bill you link is one about giving people labeled enemy combatants rights they aren't even necessarily entitled to. I mean, I don't feel like debating the language of the bill, but Ron Paul wishes to CURTAIL people's rights with his We The People Act, which strikes me as far more relevant than last minute pandering to rights issues that have controversy attached to them.

Basically, you seem to have the misconception that singular acts will some how revoke completely depraved acts. A singular act allowing people labeled as enemy combatants to have rights is a noble thing. I agree. I think your decision that Paul is the only one to care about it is highly premature, speculative, and completely wrong, but hey, he did a decent thing.

Too bad he voted against not supporting mass murder. I don't see how you think the rights of enemy soldiers somehow equivocates the horror he does vote for.

Also I would like to reiterate this; KK4 drives topics OFF TOPIC on purpose. He makes sure he gets his jab in about some horrible issue and when someone unsuspecting asks about it, there goes the topic, and yet you allow him to post.

I'll get banned if I make a double post.

KK4 can justify how nukes are fun, why he stopped being a Nazi because Hitler wasn't cool enough, how he's concerned for the white race, and how his guns are more important than the lives of others, and drive EVERY TOPIC off topic, but he won't even get warned.

Just reiterating.

no dude you weren't on topic because you started talking about ron paul in your first post. unless your topic was propaganda for Ron Paul, you initially created an atmosphere of "hey, what" from the very first post. if it is propaganda, that's a bannable offense as I remember.

ps btw: check the people supporting Ron Paul. last time I checked, he was in the lead with individual military contributions.

he also takes a lot of earmark money so he's just as bad as any of the others, and perhaps worse because he tries to act like he dont get NO MONEY.

pps: notice that not only did KK4 not actually offer a reason for Ron Paul's vote (which would have cost nothing and therefore his vote against it has nothing to do with ISSUES at all or how x is more important since it was a vote, not a fucking lobbying group) but he also did not address any of the points I brought up. the second I did mention however that he was breaking the rules, it's back to business DISCUSS THE LINK!!!!!!! OR YOU'RE BREAKING THE RULES.

refute the fact that you are a) crazy b) racist c) gun nut d) horrible human being. keep in mind I've got loads of evidence for this!

the reason your post violates a rule is because you brought up a candidate who is so far from winning he might as well be a gay jewish black male with one leg and a loincloth wearing an american flag instead of an actual opinion. you did not mention Barack Obama, the number two contender, or Dennis Kucinich, widely regarded as the most liberal of the candidates. instead you went directly for the low end of the opposite party. if your post was not propaganda, it was clearly off topic because it was so out of the scope of the news article in question.

secondly, what's to say Hillary's support isn't for the reason that as a Democrat, she'll sponsor less wars? it isn't but your reasoning is faulty in this exact regard. you also bring up Darfur as if it refutes Paul's vote (it does not since the vote said nothing about military spending) or as if any candidate seriously discusses military intervention in Darfur or that military intervention might not even be a bad thing in the case of the first genocide the world has seen in a while as opposed to the Iraq war.

thirdly what the fuck is lel!!!

hey steel theres this thing called private messages maybe you should use them instead of degenerating every topic KK4 posts in into crap, just ignore his posts maybe???

i know hes dumb and stuff but you're kind of bugging up topics that actually have discussion with other members, thats not cool dude!!

as for the topic on hand, I'm all Obama. Hilary doesn't appeal to me, espically since I think she's using the whole "My husband was the president!" deal to kind of luck out on her (people voted for Bill, therefore they'll vote for me) maybe???

A) you picked up a plastic skull, put a blond wig and a nazi hat on it, and stammered out it was the face of gun control. less than nine minutes later, you said men in black were coming to (as you somehow preemptively decided to roll with punches) slit your throat, your voice getting more and more insistent and eyes bugging out while sweat dripped off your brow and spattered your dad's office desk. you've also said rather pridefully that you believe in Alex Jones, a noted conspiracy theorist who is batshit crazy. you also keep saying lel which means nothing.

B) you told me in a PM that you were concerned about the white race, and that your reasons for disavowing the Nazi party were not empathy but (among other reasons) that Hitler wasn't as NEAT as you thought and the US government had funded him.

D) you shit up topics, you appear to be quite disliked all over the net to the degree that you have your own page devoted to your insanity, and you say quite deplorable propaganda without thinking twice.

for some odd reasons, the mods and admins have seen it fit to punish people that take issue with your opinions, regardless of how insanely disgusting they are, and warn and ban anyone that questions them, even though you take every possible opportunity to come off as biased and controversial as possible. since I've been ban evading for some time, if I get banned for this, it won't be a big deal for me. but I must say, I am seriously concerned for your mental health. you seem to have absolutely no logical processes at all; Ron Paul votes against NOT SUPPORTING GENOCIDE by giving GOVERNMENT MONEY to those that commit it, and you simply refuse to acknowledge it, saying that I'm reading too far into something the man himself wrote.

your discussion was corrupted from the start by a horrible opening post you KNEW you would make for the sole point of creating controversy. don't act like it's everyone else's fault to call you out on something you put yourself up to in the first place.

hey steel theres this thing called private messages maybe you should use them instead of degenerating every topic KK4 posts in into crap, just ignore his posts maybe???

i know hes dumb and stuff but you're kind of bugging up topics that actually have discussion with other members, thats not cool dude!!

as for the topic on hand, I'm all Obama. Hilary doesn't appeal to me, espically since I think she's using the whole "My husband was the president!" deal to kind of luck out on her (people voted for Bill, therefore they'll vote for me) maybe???

as I just said, read the opening post. the topic of voting for Ron Paul is either the original point of the topic (thus, propaganda disguised as news) or he started being offtopic just to cause controversy, also against the rules. let's also point out that no one has said anything really interesting or original in this topic so far other than HILLARY SUCKS.

so your reply to being bat shit crazy is that only people that don't like you think you are crazy.

jesus christ.

also what is lel. is this the sane part of your brain begging to be set free?

also also yes it is proof of insanity. purchasing nazi memorabilia and claiming political agendas are coming for you in the night to murder you isn't fucking healthy.

dude what is lel.

also uh before letting your words speak for themselves how about the fact that anyone with like...idk, what, fourth grade reading comprehension, can see you say this shit for yourself! you said ONLY THE MEAN ONES CALL ME CRAZY as if that doesn't make you crazy?

After floating around the various internet groups for a while I slowly came to realize that the people who adhered to that message were fucking stupid. No one is going to talk to a person who is openly declaring themselves an enemy and no problems would ever get solved. It's the politics of division, and I decided that I was not going to take part in it because it was counter productive. Also, although I was concerned for the well being of my race, I like people of other races, and can't hate someone just because they're different. That's just ignorant as hell, and once again, I was not going to participate in ingnorance. I'd like all people to have an open and free discussion of honest problems, and racism, from alll sides (racism is not just a flaw in white individuals, will just degrade any open discussion into a shouting match, or much worse violence, which also doesn't solve things,

Also, after I began to distance myself from the views I began to learn that Hitler and the 3rd Reich was funded by the US establishment. I had originally been of the belief that Hitler was an individual who rose to power by force of will alone and rebuilt a shattered empire into a vast army it took the entire world to defeat. I was wrong. I found that Hitler was set up and funded by the very establishment, the globalist crime syndicate, which I was opposed to, and that WW2 was another needless bloodbath with the GCS funding all sides in order to bring about their plan for global government.

In addition, I began to learn that the hate movements were being run by the federal government through organized Zionist groups such as the ADL, Southern Poverty Law Center and other groups. Why? So they can have a hated enemy for their dialectic to work. I will discuss this further if asked.

notice at no point does he say WELL THE NAZIS KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. the only part that is even remotely okay is the politics of divison part, but it's sandwiched between "they won't listen to us if we hate them therefore while the politics of killing jews is okay they will be onto us" and "I have a black friend!!!!"

i...posted your words.

this is what i mean man! i think you are seriously mentally ill. i posted YOUR PM. i'll gladly give my account to an admin or mod to verify that yes, this is the pm you sent.

but...I'm twisting words.