If After Life is not real, explain ghosts?

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mkkmypet

#21 November 24, 2007, 11:28:33 pm

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okay well i think the idea of "ghosts" (i.e. dead people on earth) is crap. but i do believe in angels and demons. and yeah, i say they would be proof of the (christian) afterlife. but not everyone believes in angels/demons/heaven/hell at all, and you can't use any of those things as proof for each other. and in both our cases, these things are grounded on faith and can't be proven, at least at this point. so really, this debate isn't going to go anywhere. *lokcs topic**

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fatty

#22 November 24, 2007, 11:32:41 pm

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Quote from: Sky_Hero on November 24, 2007, 11:21:42 pm

Exactly. This is more of something to ponder on, and not to be taken seriously. It just occured to me that people constantly talk of their encounters and that dorm has shown me some pretty weird crap. I myself, do not believe in ghosts. But, my friends and I had a whole argument on this and it actually did make me think. The only problem is it'd be hard to prove ghosts. Although it's said that certain animals are able to "see" them.

Quote from: Sky_Hero on November 24, 2007, 11:21:42 pm

I myself, do not believe in ghosts

Quote from: Sky_Hero on November 24, 2007, 11:21:42 pm

I myself, do not believe in ghosts

Quote from: Sky_Hero on November 24, 2007, 11:21:42 pm

I myself, do not believe in ghosts

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What is the point of this topic, then?

Quote from: mkkmypet on November 24, 2007, 11:19:03 pm

yeah but it's part of the christian belief to know that ghosts aren't real. you go to heaven or you go to hell. you don't become an angel, and you don't become a ghost. basically, you don't interact with the earth anymore because it is imperfect. heaven can't be on earth because the earth isn't perfect and heaven is. it's separated from the sin of the earth.
but if you're talking about the "afterlife" as being ALIVE ON EARTH after you die... then that's what ghosts ARE. so basically you'd be saying "IF GHOSTS AREN'T REAL THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN GHOSTS?"

Prove to me, using rock-hard solid facts that heaven/hell/afterlife/imaek exist and if you also manage to convince me that the JudeoChristian god exists then, congratulations, you just turned me into a satan worshiper!

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Drule

#23 November 24, 2007, 11:36:06 pm

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Well if you don't believe in ghosts then what is this picture I took.

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fatty

#24 November 24, 2007, 11:38:05 pm

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Quote from: Drule on November 24, 2007, 11:36:06 pm

Well if you don't believe in ghosts then what is this picture I took.

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mkkmypet

#25 November 24, 2007, 11:38:26 pm

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Quote from: fatty on November 24, 2007, 11:32:41 pm

Prove to me, using rock-hard solid facts that heaven/hell/afterlife/imaek exist and if you also manage to convince me that the JudeoChristian god exists then, congratulations, you just turned me into a satan worshiper!

dude, i just said:

Quote from: mkkmypet on November 24, 2007, 11:28:33 pm

but not everyone believes in angels/demons/heaven/hell at all, and you can't use any of those things as proof for each other. and in both our cases, these things are grounded on faith and can't be proven, at least at this point.

i'm not saying you have to accept my beliefs, i'm just offering what my beliefs on this topic are. and i'm saying that they're founded on faith so i can't give you "rock-solid facts".
and i can't prove to you that God exists unless you have other presuppositions and are willing to accept some of the things that are opinions. i could tell you, "God has talked to me in my prayers and helps me" and you will only say "PROVE IT". I know that it's true, but you can't read my thoughts and hear from God, sooo there's nothing i can do to prove God to you unless you accept my personal testimony.

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Moriason

#26 November 24, 2007, 11:38:48 pm

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oh..m-my god drule..

p.s. if you guys are actually trying to use logic and reasoning when it comes to something like GHOSTS its pretty lol

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something bizarre and impractical

#27 November 24, 2007, 11:43:22 pm

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Degeneration into theism debate in:
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Doktormartini

#28 November 24, 2007, 11:45:20 pm

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if ghosts are fkae explain casper please? I saw him on a movie once and all movies are true...

I don't believe in ghosts though.

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Sky_Hero

#29 November 24, 2007, 11:48:33 pm

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Quote from: Doktormartini on November 24, 2007, 11:45:20 pm

if ghosts are fkae explain casper please? I saw him on a movie once and all movies are true...

I don't believe in ghosts though.

lol. Props for that one.

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Kaempfer

#30 November 24, 2007, 11:56:33 pm

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Drule just proved ghosts were real as witnessed by that image since it is impossible that it isn't real. I mean, what, did he just set up some sort of elaborate light show and take a picture of it? I am a photography expert and I can tell you right now that if you took a picture of lights they would not look like that so it must be real!

I believe ghosts are not our souls or anything but a separate race that exists on another plain of existence (like the band foreigner) and we can only see them when the fabric between space and time is weakened (like at a foreigner concert).

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Standard Toaster

#31 November 25, 2007, 12:18:34 am

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GW had a ghost hunting club (expedition) a while back maybe we should post their findings here as proof?

edit: I think climbtree had a sexual encounter with a ghost once

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Sarah

#32 November 25, 2007, 12:30:08 am

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Quote from: Sky_Hero on November 24, 2007, 11:48:33 pm

lol. Props for that one.

Don't encourage him.

I don't know much about GHOSTS and stuff but I know I like to believe in them because it makes life a little more exciting than being a skeptic.

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blood hell

#33 November 25, 2007, 12:41:08 am

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I firmly believe in ghosts and spirits

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Cheesy Doritos

#34 November 25, 2007, 02:45:32 am

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I believe in tofu. Not firmly, though: it wouldn't hold.

Anyway Drule has some pretty solid evidence right there, so. I guess ghosts = explained!

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GirlBones

#35 November 25, 2007, 02:48:53 am

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ghosts aren't people spirits, they are tree spirits. trees are way better than people anyway

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Grin Tree

#36 November 25, 2007, 03:26:22 am

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Quote from: mkkmypet on November 24, 2007, 11:19:03 pm

yeah but it's part of the christian belief to know that ghosts aren't real. you go to heaven or you go to hell. you don't become an angel, and you don't become a ghost. basically, you don't interact with the earth anymore because it is imperfect. heaven can't be on earth because the earth isn't perfect and heaven is. it's separated from the sin of the earth.
but if you're talking about the "afterlife" as being ALIVE ON EARTH after you die... then that's what ghosts ARE. so basically you'd be saying "IF GHOSTS AREN'T REAL THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN GHOSTS?"

Patiently awaiting your rebuttal.

Last Edit: November 25, 2007, 03:31:28 am by Grin Tree

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Cardinal Ximenez

#37 November 25, 2007, 04:24:55 am

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Such... horrible... ignorance.

http://randi.org
http://skepdic.com/

etc.

Just because anomalous phenomena occur, it does not mean you must jump to the conclusion of THROWING OUT ALL SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY.

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cowardknower

#38 November 25, 2007, 06:31:20 am

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i also thought oh god when i saw this

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Intellectualdiot

#39 November 25, 2007, 07:58:48 am

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I'm having an exceedingly difficult time understanding the argument here. Is it supposed to be cogent? (It isn't) Is it supposed to be droll and ironic? You're predicating your contention on an incredibly poor foundation - one must first, indisputably, prove the existence of paranormal beings in order to offer them as unassailable proof of the existence of an afterlife. Of course, even if such proof were objectively verifiable, substantial debate could be made of how this relates to the issue of an afterlife.

I'm willing to have an intelligent discourse over the possible existence of apparitions, but this is, quite honestly, a myopic and trite way of approaching the subject. And if it seems as if I'm being harsh, it's because I am. It's for the best I believe. A suggestion - citations and credible evidence supporting your claims are your friends. Get acquainted with them.

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Grin Tree

#40 November 25, 2007, 08:14:28 am

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Quote from: Intellectualdiot on November 25, 2007, 07:58:48 am

I'm having an exceedingly difficult time understanding the argument here. Is it supposed to be cogent? (It isn't) Is it supposed to be droll and ironic? You're predicating your contention on an incredibly poor foundation - one must first, indisputably, prove the existence of paranormal beings in order to offer them as unassailable proof of the existence of an afterlife. Of course, even if such proof were objectively verifiable, substantial debate could be made of how this relates to the issue of an afterlife.

I'm willing to have an intelligent discourse over the possible existence of apparitions, but this is, quite honestly, a myopic and trite way of approaching the subject. And if it seems as if I'm being harsh, it's because I am. It's for the best I believe. A suggestion - citations and credible evidence supporting your claims are your friends. Get acquainted with them.

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