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Izekeal

#81 December 04, 2007, 07:10:30 pm

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I love how my last post was completely ignored and how people continued to say "I don't buy CDs because artists never see any money from sales anyways"

Edit: Kaempfer; my point was that people were grouping record labels into a black and white situation, where every record label screwed artists out of money, regardless of how popular the artists were. Bands signed with independant record labels, or even bands that sell their own CDs that they've recorded, mixed, and mastered themselves, make lots of money off of CD sales. I was just trying to point out the fact that pirating music to "stick it to the man" is a pretty silly reason, especially when it's not always the case.

Last Edit: December 04, 2007, 07:14:53 pm by Izekeal

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Mince Wobley

#82 December 04, 2007, 07:19:51 pm

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You people need to realize that piracy isn't something WRONG AND MORALLY UNACCEPTABLE, it's the way of life of the future.
It's OK, there was a time when selling plastic discs with noise or something else encoded into them was profitable and all but it's a thing of the past now, it's no use trying to prevent people from obtaining those noises and files without buying the plastic discs.

This is evolution, look:

- In the past there were vinyl discs
- And then someone invented cassete tapes
- And then someone invented the CD
- And then someone invented the DVD
- And then everything they invented became obsolete for the purposes of SELLING NOISE
- And in the future they will invent something else because it's impossible to stop Piracy.

Play Raimond Ex (if you haven't already)

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Iaman

#83 December 04, 2007, 08:05:02 pm

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Quote from: Blitzen on December 04, 2007, 05:35:11 pm

I dunno... Its all so lofty. I mean, you say you wouldn't want most of the things that you download... so why do you even download them in the first place? Because they're there? I don't get it, really, but that's just me. I don't download anything, really. Maybe some old singles now and then off Limewire and maybe roms from dead consoles once in a while for Nostalgia's sake but that's about it. I've got enough stuff.

It's not that I wouldn't want them in the first place, necessarily, it's more that I don't want it enough to warrant paying $20 for a CD that I want one song off of that I just want to play every once in a while for nostalgia purposes or for a joke or something. I pay money for things as a compensation for the enjoyment they give me, and if something isn't going to give me an amount of enjoyment that is worth paying for, it's simply not worth me paying for.

For instance, one of my friends downloaded a Hanson album last year so that she could play the song "Mmmbop" at a party, as her and a few of her friends have some sort of inside joke thing going about with that song. Normally they'd just sing it but this was different or something. I don't see why she should have to pay for an entire album just to get that one song so that she can play it that one time, so I think it's perfectly fine for her to have downloaded it.

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Fatboys #4

#84 December 04, 2007, 11:16:20 pm

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Regarding music, There ARE bands that actually just want you to listen and enjoy their music and actually mention that if you don't have the money to just download it, but they just want you to have their music. Yeah, cd sales help out in their salary, but if you aren't performing, you aren't making too much money.

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Dapper Swindler

#85 December 06, 2007, 06:20:34 am

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Quote from: JoshAP2007 on December 04, 2007, 03:18:53 pm

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Why are people still having this discussion? There's nothing you can do to justify piracy. You're getting something for free that was released in stores, either in this country or another. You'e not paying a cent for it. It's stealing. Just admit that you know it's wrong but still do it anyways, because I do.

Yup. People try so hard to rationalize it in their minds that it's not stealing. Isn't it funny how people lose all objectivity?

I pirate stuff all the time, and I know it's wrong. I just don't care. I feel like it doesn't really matter since piracy isn't going away and the entertainment industry just has to restructure its business around that fact.

http://aberrantexcursion.blogspot.com/ - It's a blog about video games and junk. I'd like you to check it out, but I ain't gonna beg.

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dada

#86 December 06, 2007, 07:28:47 am

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Quote from: JoshAP2007 on December 04, 2007, 03:18:53 pm

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Why are people still having this discussion? There's nothing you can do to justify piracy. You're getting something for free that was released in stores, either in this country or another. You'e not paying a cent for it.

While it's true that copyright infringement is usually not justifiable, there are several things that prevent this issue from being so easy. The fact that it's illegal is one thing, but this isn't all about the rights of the media companies; it's also about your rights and desires. Put simply, there is more to it than what at first appears on the surface: take the CD-R or MP3 player taxes, for example, or the aggressive tactics employed to curb P2P streams. This is hurting regular consumers as well, and by taking away from them their money and quality of service, they are actually hurting the economy by doing that. Why do they have these rights? It was decided a long time ago that the strategy to combat piracy would be mandated by a balance between legalization, taxes and consumer rights. But you have not been able to exercise those rights very easily, despite the fact that piracy really isn't all as bad as is sometimes suggested.

Sure, there are people who exclusively download things and never actually buy products from the large media companies, but there really aren't as many as you may think. To the overwhelming majority of the people who pirate things, it's simply a matter of having moved on as a society. We no longer go to the music store to listen to a CD we may want to buy. Yet, the media companies seem to have not realized that, and instead are now using this fact to state plainly that they're the poor ones being ripped off.

Quote from: JoshAP2007 on December 04, 2007, 03:33:32 pm

Like downloading a CD that was released yesterday. That's robbery.

No, it's not robbery. It's in fact not even in the same class as robbery, which is a crime; copyright infringement is and has always been a civil issue.

The fact that you would get the two confused means you don't know what you're talking about anyway.

Quote from: Dapper Swindler on December 06, 2007, 06:20:34 am

People try so hard to rationalize it in their minds that it's not stealing. Isn't it funny how people lose all objectivity?

What's funny is how people think they're legal experts when they can't even tell the difference between a crime and an offense.

Last Edit: December 06, 2007, 07:30:53 am by Dada

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EvilDemonCreature

#87 December 06, 2007, 03:50:17 pm

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As long as it can happen, it will happen.

The only price you have to pay is not being able to justify it (unless you are a delusional twat), and I for one see it as a price I'm willing to pay.

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bonzi_buddy

#88 December 06, 2007, 06:06:01 pm

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While i appriciate to have physical copies of my albums, it's much easier and cheaper to just distribute and listen albums in a digital form.

So far music and videogame industry has refused to move to internet stores and/or p2p network, protecting old (outdated...?) trademodels, though a change is slowly occuring (Itunes etc... not to mention Radiohead's recent jab by distributing In Rainbows in digital firm first AND for free)

Over here albums cost 20 euros or more. That's some ridicilous overpricing. Most of the time i don't even have that much of money anyways so my musical taste is pretty focused on few bands.

You know, piracy has always been around, ever since the times of C64. Even then guys shared their cassetes freely with each other and later on had own special bbs-services for those needs. In fact, it is considered that C64 ultimately died of piracy and not exactly of Amiga, as usually said. Tragical, eh? Though i'm sure this will not be the case in the future.

What can be done...? Now, wouldn't the question be more interesting and debatable if it the question would be "Should the situation of internet piracy be fixed"...?

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Last Edit: December 06, 2007, 06:08:30 pm by Ramci

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