A life-changing experience that I wish to share

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#41 December 16, 2007, 06:25:11 am

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Quote from: Psychoskull on December 16, 2007, 05:09:25 am

I don't understand angry black man, are you simply against the fact we are discussing this? I mean what else is there to talk about? He tells a story about how a new view of life has changed him and made him a better man, and people tell their thoughts about this philosophy of his. I don't think its inappropriate or anything...
The posts seem to almost unanimously disagree with the new view of life so far, so it does make it seem like hes being CORNERED AND ATTACKED, but most posts don't really seem like flames, either. I think you're overreacting.

I don't think it's inappropriate either. PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW! GASP!

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#42 December 17, 2007, 04:04:02 am

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Negative thinking makes me a more interesting person. People enjoy my company because of my dry, fatalistic humor and my occasionally cutting wit. I am prepared by my negative thoughts for the occurrence of misfortune. Negative thinking allows me to lend a critical eye to art and literature when I am in class. Negative thinking is the basis of rhetoric and the scientific method. Thinking negatively allows me to ready myself for interpersonal and emotional pain.

You, good sir, can keep your positive thinking. I want none of it.

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#43 December 17, 2007, 03:06:47 pm

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Wow, this thread really surprised me with how different meanings people have for different words. When I think pessivism and negative thinking, I get this mental image of a caricature incapable of hope, happiness and action out of fear for a less-than-desirable outcome, but the way you describe it the mindset has nothing to do with such qualities: it seems more like a healthy dose of realism combined with a grim perseverance. Looks like I need to be more careful from now on with how I throw the terms around!

In the same way I see optimism as the courage to face failure and firm faith in an upwards trend of humanity instead of this comical disbelief in anything bad happening ever or wistful thinking about miracle powers. Looks like we've been talking about entirely different things!

(ps karma rules it is not some utterly perfect celestial poetic justice but simply the way of the world. be an ass to people and look no one's left to stick up for you!!)

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#44 December 17, 2007, 03:35:30 pm

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oh man Fatboys i am/was/willbe in the same exact position as you. haha. I smoke pot everyday, and then get that drug depression you get. that void you felt, i felt too. except how you agree that its a woman issue, Im in denial although i know thats exactly what it is. I had a chance to watch the secret with some of my friends, but i had a blueberry blunt that day so i was SOOOOooo out of it that i just went home and slept. Also, that wiki of Law of Attraction, ive read that too before. haha oh man. The only thing I haven't done is take anti depressants. I smoke cigarettes too

. Im going to try these anti-depressants and see if they change my life as well. Thanks for sharing dude

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#45 December 17, 2007, 10:33:00 pm

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Quote from: Shepperd on December 15, 2007, 11:03:04 pm

y'know, I'm an atheist, but everytime I eat a PEACH, it is one of those things that makes me believe there is a God

this is the best post ever posted

100% true

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#46 December 18, 2007, 02:58:09 pm

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I don't think negatively or positively ...I just think realistically. Anyone who walks around thinking that everything bad that can go bad, will go bad...is not living life and anyone who walks around thinking nothing bad will happen to them have will live a very ignorant life.

What is a realist? I person who understands that in order to make something happen, he has to set it in motion, he has to act. He also understands that every actions has risks and reactions. He thinks about them and makes a choice based on what he knows. He often researches what he is doing to minimize risk of failure.

But most importantly he doesn't spend 90% of time daydreaming about what he wants, he's out there making it happen.

Positive thoughts only inspire you to put your heart and passion into what you want. It's the gas for your car, go ahead and drive already.

Also, that bank story....lmao, unless your bank gives you a 50% interest growth rate, or someone else has access into your account or the bank messed up a transaction (and neither can be linked to positive thoughts.) I say bull.

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#47 December 18, 2007, 05:31:13 pm

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Quote from: Xeno|Soft on December 18, 2007, 02:58:09 pm

Also, that bank story....lmao, unless your bank gives you a 50% interest growth rate, or someone else has access into your account or the bank messed up a transaction (and neither can be linked to positive thoughts.) I say bull.

What? My parents put money into my account all the time, it's probably something like that. I mean yeah, it has NOTHING to do with positive thinking, but I wouldn't say it DIDN'T HAPPEN.

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#48 December 18, 2007, 11:00:05 pm

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My mother made me watch the Secret and it didn't enlighten me in any way whatsoever. It's presenting the REVOLUTIONARY CONCEPT that "a positive outlook on life makes you more pleasant and makes you experience your day better". Now that's ground-breaking, isn't it? They talk about how you can be granted everything you've ever dreamed about: Wealth, power, fame, by wishing for it to come true basically. Seeing it as I don't want anything of that, I thought it was a complete waste of time. In fact it was just bullshit.

Is it our duty to die for governments and for gods?
Is it our privilege to slave for market and for industry?
Is it our right to follow laws, set to scare and to oppress?
Is it a gift to stay in line and will it take away the blame?

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#49 December 19, 2007, 07:14:06 am

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I think the point in "thinking positively" is that you focus your mind on obtaining what you desire THUS you strive for what you desire. Believing you can bend matter via pure emotion is just retarded, but thinking positively doesn't mean you are ill prepared for CRUSHING DEFEAT but it could possibly mean taking advantage of beneficial situations more so than a normal person.

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#50 December 19, 2007, 07:45:57 am

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Quote from: PandaBear on December 17, 2007, 04:04:02 am

Negative thinking makes me a more interesting person. People enjoy my company because of my dry, fatalistic humor and my occasionally cutting wit. I am prepared by my negative thoughts for the occurrence of misfortune. Negative thinking allows me to lend a critical eye to art and literature when I am in class. Negative thinking is the basis of rhetoric and the scientific method. Thinking negatively allows me to ready myself for interpersonal and emotional pain.

You, good sir, can keep your positive thinking. I want none of it.

Expect misfortune? I'd rather not.

Hahah have fun being depressed. I like being happy.

"oh man this concert blows, I'm having such an average time"

"holy fuck this is the best show ever, I'm having a great time"

Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 08:06:54 am by Afura

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#51 December 19, 2007, 07:50:44 am

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Quote from: angry black man on December 19, 2007, 07:14:06 am

I think the point in "thinking positively" is that you focus your mind on obtaining what you desire THUS you strive for what you desire. Believing you can bend matter via pure emotion is just retarded, but thinking positively doesn't mean you are ill prepared for CRUSHING DEFEAT but it could possibly mean taking advantage of beneficial situations more so than a normal person.

To elaborate on this. Positive thinking gets your brain fired up to search any and every way to achieve your goal. When you're trying to start a band and your heart and mind is set on it, when you walk around the mall every book entitled "THE ULTIMATE GUIDE TO STARTING A BAND" is gonna catch your eye IMMEDIATELY. Your mind is extremely powerful. If you go through life cynical and refusing to "trust" on your mind's potential simple by CHANGING the way you think or have a good attitude because it's irrational you're probably going to miss out on a lot of oppurtunities because you didn't charge your mind for its potential. If you honestly don't think changing your mind set and outlook will affect results or atleast bring change you're crazy.

But I'm sure everyone will say this is bull shit because it involves not cynically picking everything apart like an intelligent open minded person would do

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#52 December 19, 2007, 08:24:56 am

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Your mind is extremely powerful. If you go through life cynical and refusing to "trust" on your mind's potential

...being cynical has nothing to do with not "trusting" your minds potential. Theres a realistic point where "approaching or trying" for a goal stops being viable. Just as easily, I can say you waste more effort and time trying to achieve bluntly unrealistic goals(at a certain point), then what you do accomplish.

If thinking "positive" is just focusing on obtaining a goal, then I think theres nothing particularly special with "positive thinking," because that's simply being realistic. A lot of "positive thinkers" are unrealistic, fruity people who think life is sun shine and bubble gum. I would say there is a considerable difference between focusing on a goal you want to reach and trying to reach it, and thinking that outcome will happen regardless of reality.

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Hahah have fun being depressed. I like being happy.

If happiness means being deluded then I'd pick un-happiness. I don't get the huge hard-on over being happy all the time either.

Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 08:29:25 am by Avatar

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#53 December 19, 2007, 09:06:16 am

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Quote from: Avatar on December 19, 2007, 08:24:56 am

...being cynical has nothing to do with not "trusting" your minds potential. Theres a realistic point where "approaching or trying" for a goal stops being viable. Just as easily, I can say you waste more effort and time trying to achieve bluntly unrealistic goals(at a certain point), then what you do accomplish.

If thinking "positive" is just focusing on obtaining a goal, then I think theres nothing particularly special with "positive thinking," because that's simply being realistic. A lot of "positive thinkers" are unrealistic, fruity people who think life is sun shine and bubble gum. I would say there is a considerable difference between focusing on a goal you want to reach and trying to reach it, and thinking that outcome will happen regardless of reality.
If happiness means being deluded then I'd pick un-happiness. I don't get the huge hard-on over being happy all the time either.

I agree with everything you said there, thinking negatively is pretty silly in the same way being deluded is, they both prevent you from enjoying reality.

Realism is the key.

Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 09:11:56 am by Afura

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#54 December 19, 2007, 11:57:55 pm

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Quote from: Avatar on December 19, 2007, 08:24:56 am

...being cynical has nothing to do with not "trusting" your minds potential. Theres a realistic point where "approaching or trying" for a goal stops being viable. Just as easily, I can say you waste more effort and time trying to achieve bluntly unrealistic goals(at a certain point), then what you do accomplish.

If thinking "positive" is just focusing on obtaining a goal, then I think theres nothing particularly special with "positive thinking," because that's simply being realistic. A lot of "positive thinkers" are unrealistic, fruity people who think life is sun shine and bubble gum. I would say there is a considerable difference between focusing on a goal you want to reach and trying to reach it, and thinking that outcome will happen regardless of reality.
If happiness means being deluded then I'd pick un-happiness. I don't get the huge hard-on over being happy all the time either.

Nice arguement. I mean those optimistc people truely are fruity people who are "bubble gum" and "sunshine" similar to the pessimistic people who spend all day slitting their wrists and howling at the black moon.

I'm not saying it's the best way. But changing the way you think can bring drastic changes in your life. If you don't believe in the power of your mind, then you are cutting yourself short. All the time your mind blanks out things it deems "unimportant". What if one day you focused your mind to focus on all these details. Think of driving down a highway. you don't read and analyze every sign. At some point though if you decide your hungry, every sign that has anything food related will pop up.

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#55 December 20, 2007, 03:32:28 am

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Nice arguement. I mean those optimistc people truely are fruity people who are "bubble gum" and "sunshine" similar to the pessimistic people who spend all day slitting their wrists and howling at the black moon.

Good thing I'm not advocating either attitude, right?

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I'm not saying it's the best way. But changing the way you think can bring drastic changes in your life. If you don't believe in the power of your mind, then you are cutting yourself short. All the time your mind blanks out things it deems "unimportant". What if one day you focused your mind to focus on all these details. Think of driving down a highway. you don't read and analyze every sign. At some point though if you decide your hungry, every sign that has anything food related will pop up.

If I'm looking at signs, I notice signs that tell me about food, regardless of whether I'm hungry or not; such is viewing reality as it is.

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#56 December 20, 2007, 07:01:58 am

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Quote from: bazookatooth on December 16, 2007, 02:32:55 am

but uh, i'd very much disagree with you saying that, even though effort/luck are the major factors involved in deciding what does and does not happen in your life, what you think about what's going to happen doesn't affect anything. your thoughts dictate your attitude, and very few people can honestly say that their attitude never influences their actions. there's a big difference, i think, between looking at something positively and looking at the same thing negatively; the difference is how you perceive it, and a person's perception of a situation, or another person, or whatever, can have a fairly extraordinary effect.

Oh, absolutely, but you're talking about it from a different perspective than I was. It's always a good thing to be passionate about whatever it is you do, but in order to accomplish anything, you must plan things out in a realistic manner. When I'm comparing pessimism with optimism, to me, it's like comparing realists with idealists (impractical people). Being inclined towards realistic thinking doesn't necessarily mean that one won't be very ambitious.

Quote from: bazookatooth on December 16, 2007, 02:32:55 am

that's not to say that a positive perspective will necessarily lead to a more favorable chain of events or anything, but still, it's a definite possibility, and even a likelihood that it will lead to SOMETHING different, good or bad.

Well, yeah, because inevitably both a positive and a negative perspective will lead to some kind of tangible plan with a certain chance of success. I think it depends more on the creativity of said person.

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#57 December 20, 2007, 01:00:38 pm

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Wait, why the hell do people think that cynical, realistic people are depressed? I'm like that, but I'm one of the only people I know that doesn't sit through fairly long depression periods. Most people I've seen will have several times when they're depressed, but then go on about how optimistic they are (or are trying to be). It has nothing to do with it.

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#58 December 20, 2007, 08:38:36 pm

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I've gone between being depressed and being optimistic so many times that I can think about myself in either of those states in a nearly objective manner. That is, I can recognize both states, and more or less understand that they aren't really showing me significant insight into the state of my own life.

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