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(Disclaimer - although my religion is involved you can still get results without it. Just please read it all)
Okay, so recently I had one of those experiences that changed my life and I'm sharing it with you guys because if it helped me so much that it may in fact help somebody else. Whether this is the right place or not isn't really the issue, imo, just as long as you are able to access it. So if you want to move it, feel free, all I want is to get it out there. With that said, here's my story:

Not too long ago I was doing drugs everyday, which may not be a bad thing to some people, but it really was affecting my life. I was waking up in the morning and as stereotypical as it sounds, I felt a void inside of me. I just felt empty and the only way I could feel alive (or the easiest way) was just to smoke pot. It got to the point to where it really was affecting my lifestyle. I was spending money on drugs, which is an expensive habit when you're broke and in college, and I wasn't studying as much, basically I was just unmotivated to do anything. Partly because of drugs, partly because of depression. Now I hate to bring religion to this, but it's kind of a factor. I believed in God and everything, but I hadn't been praying at all. I'd been trying to solve all my problems and because nobody is perfect, I kept fucking up and fucking up and fucking up. So one night I'm feeling like shit and I'm talking to one of my friends who tells me I need God back in my life and I should pray for something simple like to experience Him or to just find the truth. So I did that a couple times, didn't really pay too much attention to it and was still smoking everyday and feeling like shit. One Sunday morning I called my grandma because talking to my family helps me out when I'm feeling down and my aunt had picked up the phone. I hadn't talked to her in like months. And I tell her how I feel like I'm just floating along in life and I'm really unsure about the future and stuff and she tells me about these anti-depressants she's taking. I say, sure I'll give it a shot, everything I had been trying wasn't working. I get them and I start taking them. On the first day, I just had so much clarity I was able to figure out why I was depressed. I was in a delusion that I couldn't be happy without a person in my life for the most part and it was bothering the hell out of me, if not consciously at a subconscious level. I figured out that I could live without them and that I could be at peace. And although it may be common sense to some people, I just want to point out that when you're stuck in a mindset it's pretty much impossible to see outside of that. Now I only took the antidepressants for 5 days because I saw I didn't need them. I got out of them what I needed and I didn't want to deal with withdrawal symptoms and I sure as hell didn't like the way it affected my appetite. I smoke cigarettes (Going to quit soon, as soon as I have enough money for the patch) and they affect my appetite as it is.

Now the main thing I want to mention is this movie I saw. Yes, I was able to get out of my depression, but watching this movie helps me stay out of it. Using what I learned from it, I feel more in control and happy with my life. The movie I'm talking about is The Secret. http://www.thesecret.tv. Now when I was first watching it, I was a bit skeptical and thought it was a corny joke. But the more I watched I just saw how it all works. It's basically a movie on positive thinking and how your mind is more powerful than you give credit to it. People who take hallucinagens will know what I'm talking about. But anyway, what I'm trying to share with you is not a joke. It sounds corny and unrealistic, but honestly that's only because of your mind. If you think something is bogus or bullshit, then in your mind, it is. If you start believing in something, you would be surprised at what you can actually accomplish. And that's what that movie is about. Honestly, after watching that I've noticed a few things. The first is I'm actually enjoying life. I'm not getting caught up in things that are bothering me, I'm enjoying the things that aren't bothering me. And I'll share with you another simple little experience. One day I checked my bank account and I had 78 cents in it. I kept thinking that I'm gonna have money in my bank account, I know it. It didn't come immediately, I had actually checked it for a little while everyday to hear the same recording telling me I was broke. One day I checked it I had  40 bucks in it! I know it sounds like some stereotypical ad advertising bullshit results, but I'm telling you it's not. I'm not gaining anything out of this. If you don't want to watch the movie, look up the law of attraction - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction and it pretty much says what it is. I just want to give you guys some information that will actually help you in your life, help you in a lot of ways. I feel that this is far more important than any ridiculous news story because this affects your actual life. I just want to let you know again that I honestly just want to share this with you because it actually works. It's not bullshit. And that I'm sharing it with you because I didn't want to keep that for myself. If it has the potential to better the lives of people, why not start with sharing it with a community, our community. I know that everyone is different and what works for some may not work for others, but I just encourage you to try this out and share any experiences you have when you do. Thanks and I hope you enjoyed the read.
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Although I believe in the existence of a higher being I have to doubt that it exercises control over the world via the Law of Attraction. Inf fact I really severely doubt the physical manifestations that result as a "miracle" stemming from the law, but I feel that if one is more confident in something it is more likely to become reality. not to the point of manifestation that you describe, but rather that if you strive for something enough it will become significantly easier than if you hadn't.
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Ohh, I saw that movie last year.
It was....a great experience. It really sounds like bullshit if you just read it, you have to actually watch it. The Law of Attraction is a very nice concept, and I guess it does work.
Usually it's not "If I think this A LOT, it will happen!", but you think about it so much, that you actually ACT to get it. It takes awhile to grasp, too.
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I get them and I start taking them. On the first day, I just had so much clarity I was able to figure out why I was depressed

you know... they take up to several weeks to start working

anyway i started reading the secret because my dad got it, then i stopped because it's pretty goofy.
if you set your mind to something you're not making it happen any more than when you aim at a target you make the arrow hit it
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overwhelmingly positive thinkers are idiotic and tragically ill-equipped for the harsh realities of the world. particularly positive thinkers that honestly believe that they somehow possess the ability to bend time-space with their positive thinking. really, it's one thing looking on the bright side of life, but another thing entirely honestly believing that their utterly insignificant monkey-will has any legitimate influence on the world around them, beyond how utterly bonkers they appear to the more sensible people in their immediate surroundings.

keep your fucking forty dollars you scumbag. i don't need to pretend to make myself feel better and overcome difficult obstacles in my life.
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you know... they take up to several weeks to start working
Not if it's... ecstasy.

It really depends on the pill, and if it works by releasing serotonin it should take just a few hours for it to kick in, and you'll start realising stuff about your own mental condition.

If the pills work by increasing serotonin production or something like that, yeah it takes time. But they work in different ways yo.
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The Secret sounded like total New Age bs to me. Now, The Fountain on the other hand, that's a good movie.
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Much like karma- this "law" of attraction is utter rubbish.

First and foremost, for something to be a law it needs to go through enough testing to be proven to be a factual circumstance in the universe. I can guarantee you that this isn't the case with the "law" of attraction.

Secondly, much like karma, the "law" of attraction, is governed by selective and confirmation biases. The way both ideas work is that you're more willing to recreate and pick out situations that confirm what you so firmly believe in. This, "law" of attaction-wise, basically means that you're forcing the "law" of attraction to prove true. If you think you're going to get yourself a girlfriend then you'll most likely try and get a girlfriend. You'll pick out any aspects of your life relating to the that subject and take special note of them. By doing so you'll eventually succeed in your goal because you're actively seeking to succeed in that goal by setting your mind to it in the first place. It's not so much a mystery of science as it is the way of life. Try, try, try and you'll succeed. That's basically all the "law" of attraction sums up to.

Now karma is another subject that amounts to nothing but a simple proverb. Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you. The whole premise of karma is the fact that what you do will come back to you in some way, shape, or form. There're varying degrees of return in each individual's belief but the basic idea remains the same throughout. This is a larger example of selective and confirmation biases and it in fact goes beyond that. The first thing to know about karma is that a believer is going to be looking for hints of it every chance they get. Drop a quarter and it rolls into the sewer- that's karma!
"I should've never took that extra penny from the penny tray at the gas station."

Get a christmas card with a check from a forgotten relative- that's karma!
"I'm glad I called my grandma six months ago."

If there's an opportunity to relate something to karma or any belief, that person will take that opportunity every time. It's one of the simplest ways to give meaning to life. And having a purpose/meaning is one of the most important things in order to sustain a healthy life. That's on a large-scale but, like I said, karma goes beyond that. On the subject of 'simpler' life-matters, karma allows somebody to feel good about themselves even if they do bad things. Here's a hypothetical.

Jimmy the gangsta is a firm believer in karma. When he's not killing children for their candy he's constantly assessing his life under the scrutiny of karma. Occassionally he will scrape his knee or lose a dead homie to the streets and naturally he'll feel bad because of it.

"Daayum dood, my bro straight got popped, G. Dat's karma on tha real. Shouldn'ta capped doze bitches on foth street. Karma's a bitch!"

As we can see, Jimmy just justified killing the "bitches on foth" with an event completely unrelated to it. That hardship is now temporarily erased from his mind now that he believes that it's been justified or forgiven by his own unfortunate event.

Anyways, neither karma nor the "law" of attraction are bad beliefs. It's just important to understand why they work the way they do. Anything that puts a person into a positive mindframe is a good thing in my book. Once you can understand how they work though, you can go beyond the bounds and limitations they set on your control of your life. These beliefs simply focus your attention on a small scale of how your mind works and will ultimately hinder your mental progress toward acceptance of yourself because they close your mind to so many other aspects of thinking.
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I cannot believe I start debunking this elsewhere... AND IT FUCKING POPS UP HERE.

I will handle this tomorrow.
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My Mom actually bought me the book The Secret. It's an interesting read! Was not aware there was a movie. :\
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overwhelmingly positive thinkers are idiotic and tragically ill-equipped for the harsh realities of the world. particularly positive thinkers that honestly believe that they somehow possess the ability to bend time-space with their positive thinking. really, it's one thing looking on the bright side of life, but another thing entirely honestly believing that their utterly insignificant monkey-will has any legitimate influence on the world around them, beyond how utterly bonkers they appear to the more sensible people in their immediate surroundings.

keep your fucking forty dollars you scumbag. i don't need to pretend to make myself feel better and overcome difficult obstacles in my life.


Maybe think of it as the power of thinking positively instead of being so cynical...
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What's going on here?  Someone turns their life around and they're getting flamed for trying a new method of thinking?
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Maybe think of it as the power of thinking positively instead of being so cynical...

So I take it you didn't read his post?

He said thinking positively is nice and all, but when you start to believe your "positive thoughts" are affecting reality around you, then you've pretty much crossed over to the insane side. Things like this:

One day I checked my bank account and I had 78 cents in it. I kept thinking that I'm gonna have money in my bank account, I know it. It didn't come immediately, I had actually checked it for a little while everyday to hear the same recording telling me I was broke. One day I checked it I had 40 bucks in it!

are exactly what he's talking about. Come on now...there's no way in hell you can "make" money appear in your account without some sort of rational explanation. Otherwise we'd be seeing an assload of millionaires popping up all over the world with no explanation as to where the money came from. It's just like the whole psychic/fortune teller thing. If someone can predict the future, then why don't they use that power to make themselves wealthy by picking the winning lottery numbers, betting on the winning sports teams, and trading on the stock market? The exact same thing applies to this situation.
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What's going on here?  Someone turns their life around and they're getting flamed for trying a new method of thinking?
No, their beliefs are being criticized, as all beliefs should be.
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overwhelmingly positive thinkers are idiotic and tragically ill-equipped for the harsh realities of the world. particularly positive thinkers that honestly believe that they somehow possess the ability to bend time-space with their positive thinking. really, it's one thing looking on the bright side of life, but another thing entirely honestly believing that their utterly insignificant monkey-will has any legitimate influence on the world around them, beyond how utterly bonkers they appear to the more sensible people in their immediate surroundings.

keep your fucking forty dollars you scumbag. i don't need to pretend to make myself feel better and overcome difficult obstacles in my life.
*smokes cigarette*

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Yeah basically the entire concept is farcical!
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there's a problem with the secret. that is, each of the "gurus" have a completely different interpretation of how it works. some of them believes you literally attract everything that happens to you. that is, your very existence is what you bring upon yourself including car accidents, getting sick, winning the lottery, and so on. one of them was even quoted on larry king as saying some 6 year old girl who was murdered brought it upon herself through negative thinking. on the other end is the belief in general positive thinking, so that you will see opportunities you may have otherwise missed and the positive thought and constant attention to your goals will consciously and unconsciously guide you there. either way i don't really understand how it's possible to magically become positive if your life experiences have led you to believe otherwise. you are mainly putting faith in an idea and if you believe it works then no one can tell you different.

going back to the original point, like many faith based or unproven beliefs those who believe in such an idea will have many different explainations of how it works since there's no science or real logic to it at the present time. the whole "you attract things" is completely bogus, because mostly everyone dreams or constantly wishes they were better than their current state and it doesn't work. they treat money for instance like some kind of magical concept when reality would tell you it's impossible for everyone to be rich. yet the secret would say you simply aren't thinking truely positively enough, so there's no way to disprove it for those who have benefitted from it. i will say that a reasonable level of positive thinking would undoubtedly help you though.
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overwhelmingly positive thinkers are idiotic and tragically ill-equipped for the harsh realities of the world.
This is true. It's actually ironic to see how optimists believe that if there weren't any pessimists, the world would be a lot better off. How wrong they are. Rather, it's the pessimist that's able to correctly prepare himself for any kind of obstacle that he might encounter, thus increasing his chances of success. They think carefully about the things that could go wrong, because they know that there's a realistic chance of them occurring, and as a result, become more able to overcome those things. Optimists refuse to do that, and when the inevitable happens, they won't know how to proceed.

It's also strange how people have this stereotype in their minds whenever they think of "a pessimist". They think that they're somehow incapable of being happy, and that they're bound for failure as a result of "giving up early" or "not trying hard enough because they believe they'll fail".

Of course, it's not all black and white, and being a positive person can have a very good influence on one's surroundings. But it's different when you're incapable of thinking past the obvious, like a lot of people seem to be.

EDIT: also, I'd like to stress here that success is the culmination of effort (and luck). It has nothing to do with whether you think you're going to be successful. It's only going to work if you actually roll up your sleeves and get to it. I wouldn't have a good job today if I didn't exert the effort to go out and find one two years ago. I also wouldn't have kept that job for very long if I hadn't immediately started brushing up my skills, because I was actually not very qualified for the job when I started it. (Though I'm still very lazy, by the way.)
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Maybe think of it as the power of thinking positively instead of being so cynical...
how about ABSOLUTELY NOT

being cynical is the best. i'm well prepared for when bad things happen(within reason), and it's a really nice surprise when good things happen.
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One day I checked my bank account and I had 78 cents in it. I kept thinking that I'm gonna have money in my bank account, I know it. It didn't come immediately, I had actually checked it for a little while everyday to hear the same recording telling me I was broke. One day I checked it I had  40 bucks in it!
And the camera turns back to Oprah. She turns to the audience, who immediately begin to cheer and applaud, solidifying the link between the story and their acclamation. "Can anyone who just listened to this story tell me there isn't a god?" she asks the crowd.


My point being: who do you think you're fooling with this ridiculous story?
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Fuck. HAHA. I went on a end. Nah, like. About the whole money thing. No shit obviously someone put it there. I'm not saying it didn't come from no where. I think my grandma or someone put it in there. But It's really less about making things spawn out of nowhere and more about focusing on the good in your life. I'm not like a blind positive person, I've learned a lot through my experiences I just try to stay focused on my goals and not let petty shit get me down. It was just a big change going from depression to optimism and it's just made my life better. Obviously, not being depressed is a lot better than being depressed and I just feel so much better about life and letting go of the things I can't control and honestly the change between those two is so great that of course it's going to change my life. "Your mind can either be your crutch or your sword and shield." A lot of people just fall back on themselves and think woe is me, give me attention for the shitty situation I'm in and don't do anything to get out of it. But when you start realizing, hey, I can get out of it, it just becomes an experience. And I could sit here and tell you about my change in my outlook on life but everyone has their own outlook on life and I'm not here to change anyone's view, but if someone's going through some rough times I'd like to atleast influence them to be strong and that we're all pretty young on these forums, we've got a lot of years left. Hard times are going to come, again and again and it's all in how you deal with them that either make or break you and I just don't want anyone to go through hell if they don't have to.
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