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Andrew Johnson? holy shit. i'm fucking RELATED TO HIM and even I think he was terrible
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/obama-camp-slams-clinton-team-on-controversial-photo/

hillary clinton's campaign is awful. granted this was from DRUDGE REPORT but still.
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damn, the worst hitpiece ever just leaked:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-usark245589997feb24,0,2934440,print.story

this is...damn

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But there is a little-known episode Clinton doesn't mention in her standard campaign speech in which those two principles collided. In 1975, a 27-year-old Hillary Rodham, acting as a court-appointed attorney, attacked the credibility of a 12-year-old girl in mounting an aggressive defense for an indigent client accused of rape in Arkansas - using her child development background to help the defendant.

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Rodham, records show, questioned the sixth grader's honesty and claimed she had made false accusations in the past. She implied that the girl often fantasized and sought out "older men" like Taylor, according to a July 1975 affidavit signed "Hillary D. Rodham" in compact cursive.

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The victim, now 46, told Newsday that she was raped by Taylor, denied that she wanted any relationship with him and blamed him for contributing to three decades of severe depression and other personal problems.

as a defense attorney you are supposed to use every defense for your client (even if that means implying a 12 year old girl lied about rape), but if the mainstream media picks this up, it's a deathblow for Clinton.

CLINTON CALLS 12 YEAR OLD SLUT, NEWS AT 11.
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damn, the worst hitpiece ever just leaked:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-usark245589997feb24,0,2934440,print.story

this is...damn

as a defense attorney you are supposed to use every defense for your client (even if that means implying a 12 year old girl lied about rape), but if the mainstream media picks this up, it's a deathblow for Clinton.

CLINTON CALLS 12 YEAR OLD SLUT, NEWS AT 11.
yeah, except she is going to twist it around and say IT HELPED ME START THE FIRST RAPE HOTLINE IN ARKANSAS - GO WOMEN WHOOOOO
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I assume this is before Arkansas had a rape shield law. I... I don't know if I could really give Ms. Rodham a lot of flack about it, because this is pretty much the standard defense that every attorney used in rape cases.

At least I know that Obama would have never done such a morally reprehensible thing.
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lol, who dug up this dirt on hilary?

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yeah, I don't think it's really a big deal. I can definitely see some people holding it against her/attempting to hurt her campaign with it, but I don't t hink it exactly spells disaster for her
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also I brought up this terrible Penn and Teller episode with my roommate the other day, where they quoted DAVID FUCKING HOROWITZ (he is terrible) as the sane one and interviewed Chomsky and asked him if colleges were "liberal indoctrination centers" to which he looked very confused and said "uh...no"
Noam Chomsky was in a Penn and Teller episode? I need to see this. Which one?

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PS: looks like our two in-house libertarians are still collecting blog links for their retaliation.
Last Edit: February 25, 2008, 08:08:33 pm by Dada
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yeah, I don't think it's really a big deal. I can definitely see some people holding it against her/attempting to hurt her campaign with it, but I don't t hink it exactly spells disaster for her

you don't think it could be spun into HILLARY CALLED A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL A SLUT?

or/and you don't see that being a deathknell?

Noam Chomsky was in a Penn and Teller episode? I need to see this. Which one?

this god awful one called College. did you know Dr. Dre didn't go to college? YOU DONT HAVE TO EITHER.
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did you know Dr. Dre didn't go to college?
But he's a physician!



I know I'd rather vote for Dr. Dre than Dr. Ron Paul.

EDIT: I found the episode you were talking about. http://youtube.com/watch?v=tzvpR14GPIc I can barely watch this.
Last Edit: February 25, 2008, 08:18:25 pm by Dada
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you don't think it could be spun into HILLARY CALLED A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL A SLUT?

or/and you don't see that being a deathknell?
like I said I can see people using it against her and spinning it however, I just don't see it striking that big of a blow to her campaign. you'd have to be kind of gullible to really hold it against her, but maybe most people are? I guess we'll see if/when the media gets it

in any case I kind of hope it doesn't get out even though I'd rather have hillary lose to obama, this isn't the type of thing I'd want to determine our future president. also it  wouldn't be good if she ends up against mccain and THEN this gets out
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like I said I can see people using it against her and spinning it however, I just don't see it striking that big of a blow to her campaign. you'd have to be kind of gullible to really hold it against her, but maybe most people are? I guess we'll see if/when the media gets it

in any case I kind of hope it doesn't get out even though I'd rather have hillary lose to obama, this isn't the type of thing I'd want to determine our future president. also it  wouldn't be good if she ends up against mccain and THEN this gets out

thing is, the american people hate defense attorneys. a lot of people rail against the ACLU because they fight for those FUCKIN PEDOS etc.

considering Hillary's base is like 40 year old women, they would be shocked to hear something like this I think and it would really hurt her.
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I was gonna say that I think most people would see it for what it is, but then I remembered this is the American public we're talking about and I made a sad face. Stranger things have happened, I guess. There are still black Ron Paul supporters.

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thing is, the american people hate defense attorneys.

Don't be silly, they hate all attorneys. Defense attorneys let murders/rapists/etc go free, Prosecutors are all out to get us and let the real criminals go free, and civil attorneys tore us a new one during the divorce proceedings.
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to say he didn't know about the newsletters for 20 years is not possible. if you can somehow reason this then tell me why someone so incompetent as to allow a newsletter written under his name for 20 years with the most racist shit possible (MLK IS A GAY PEDOPHILE and THE LA ROITS STOPPED WHEN BLACKIE WENT TO PICK UP HIS WELFARE CHECK) could possibly be a competent politician is beyond me. something like this is so incredibly stupid and the lack of oversight with something he put his name on is astronomical.

you cannot deny this. stop talking about HEH THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU TO PROVE HE REALLY WROTE IT. you are retarded if you use this defense. ron paul endorsed the newletters. it means nothing if he wrote it, at the end of the day he approved of it even if he didnt read it (hint: not an excuse). he even admitted it was as good as his own writing because it would confuse people to say otherwise, although now he is saying otherwise because he has to clear his record. if ron paul ever did become a real presidential candidate he would be torn to shreds just on the newsletters alone, barring any of his wacky policies. the most obvious contradiction of ron pauls ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY was proposing a bill for cold war medals (which would cost TAX PAYERS 200+ MILLION):

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3417:

yet he denied the rosa parks medal when it was self funded by the u.s. mint (turning the vote into basically IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE ROSA PARKS A MEDAL???) saying the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for it. ron pauls voting record is horrible in general, this, the we the people act, and the darfur bill are just the most obvious ones.

think about 20 years. that is probably longer than the age of most ron paul supporters (based off multiple graphs i saw that tracked the statistics of donations to ron paul, the large majority was male and young. i will post it if you would like to try and argue it). think about this again. do you think anyone should be able to be a potential president given they made such a gargantuan mistake that spans 20 years? it's virtually impossible to get you to agree ron pauls ideas are retarded, but surely you must agree something like this is such a grand error, that it at least should put DOUBT in peoples minds about his ability to be president. for most people it has been enough to convince them he is completely out of his fucking mind.

every time i have seen a paul supporter REBUT CLAIMS they do it by simply saying YOU ARE WRONG. there is no amount of evidence in the world that will ever convince you otherwise. you are already solid in your belief, even given that history paints a horrible record for libertarianism and the fact that no real nation uses a government like it. this results in made up GOBBLEDEGOOK that, by the way, as dada pointed out, consists of NU-UH BECAUSE <MADE UP SHIT> which no one other than yourself believes. don't even bother typing if you aren't going to post links with reputable sources. saying "well times have changed this is why it will work" doesn't cut it. post real, solid evidence of your claims. there is a reason ron paul has failed in his presidential bid, there is a reason the vast majority of this multinational forum thinks he is a KOOK, and you guys are doing no favours in trying to establish the credibility of libertarianism or ron paul.

all this said, a libertarian "government" will never ever happen in a civilizised society. i am going to wager to say this is why you guys are so angry because you think THE WORLD IS RETARDED I AM THE ONLY SANE PERSON AHGHHHHHH. the whole world is going to continue to laugh at libertarians and paul supporters, while you silently stew truly believing libertarians are the "real majority" but the world is too full of "sheeples" for it to ever come to fruition.
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This is usually the time when someone points out that the only reason people don't know about Ron Paul's fabulous plans is the fact the media are conspiring against him by not giving him any air time.
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think about this again. do you think anyone should be able to be a potential president given they made such a gargantuan mistake that spans 20 years? it's virtually impossible to get you to agree ron pauls ideas are retarded, but surely you must agree something like this is such a grand error, that it at least should put DOUBT in peoples minds about his ability to be president. for most people it has been enough to convince them he is completely out of his fucking mind.
no, the correct paulsie answer is: OH WOW so he is racist and maybe he doesn't like gays a little?? SO WHAT HIS IDEAS ARE STILL BETTER THAN THE OTHER CANDIDATES. heh nice try. why don't you give me some REAL proof............

also that bill was proposed by a Mr. Paul. I thought we were talking about Dr. Paul??? ? ????? /? ?? WRONG YOUR EVIDENCE IS WERONG
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Remember how hillary clinton and her husband said Texas was a must win?

i guess it's not a must win anymore. it must not matter like the rest of the states obama has won

Quote from: Hillary Clinton
I’d love to carry Texas, but it’s usually not in the electoral calculation for the Democratic nominee. Florida and Michigan are.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdpPj6UMG6A&feature=bz303

Hahaha.

I love how idiots on youtube make comments without presenting any evidence or examples.
Granted I stopped reading after the first few comments.
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imo Madtv > SNL

MadTV's Obama is miles better than SNL's
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lsIIptHkFxA
Last Edit: February 26, 2008, 11:49:08 pm by DJ Soup
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Clinton and Obama are going at it again tonight, on MSNBC, at 9 pm/8 central. Will Clinton finally deliver the deathblow she's so desperately been trying to put on Obama's run? Will Obama turn water into wine? Will Clinton call any young children sluts? Will Obama deal drugs during the breaks? Tune in and find out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdpPj6UMG6A&feature=bz303

Its funny cuz its true!
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