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Ahaha, I'd wait for caucuses in our state... except we don't have any. Damned Floridian government.

Well, it's not like I can vote right now, anyways.
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Now he just has to prove his views on the tough issues. Which whether you like it not, he hasn't been talking about. We'll see how he still stands in a month or so. Same with Huckabee. They both haven't really been talking about the tough issues and Huckabee is basically clueless on foreign policy.

fffff we just had this conversation, but I guess you didn't actually look at anything???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/

you might have to click a few links!!!!!!!
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I will only vote if Barack Obama is the democratic candidate.  This is the first time I've seen a candidate who isn't just a "lesser of two evils." 

But holy crap I hope Clinton doesn't win.  She reminds me of those people who go into middle schools to give pep talks.
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if it comes to clinton vs <insert republican> i'd vote for her.

however she's not nearly the best candidate, and the MASSIVE amount of pandering she does is annoying as shit
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Well, if it's any indicator of things to come, Hillary was booed twice at a New Hampshire Democratic Party dinner while people got so energetic for Obama that it constituted "safety concerns."
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New Hampshire is absolutely critical for Clinton's campaign. imo if she loses in NH she'll have three straight losses (Obama is presumed to win South Carolina) which will pretty much be the end of any legitimate shot for her campaign
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Every single person I know except one person is voting Obama. You really have to be here in New Hampshire right now to feel the excitement on the streets. I'll see if I can't keep some sort of blog on primary day.
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I wish I were there and not in some podunk state like Oklahoma where most are made up of evangelicals supporting Huckabee.
My friend is a HUGE Paul supporter but after he saw this ad he said he's not supporting him anymore!
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/29/ron-pauls-disgraceful-ad
Ya I'm trying to get my friend to see the light in terms of Paul's ignorance towards domestic issues. That has got to be the worst ad I've ever seen.
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But holy crap I hope Clinton doesn't win.  She reminds me of those people who go into middle schools to give pep talks.

My thoughts exactly.

This is the first time I'm going to be voting and Obama has my vote (my girlfriend is also planning on voting for him). If it was anybody else running, I probably wouldn't even bother taking the time.
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My friend is a HUGE Paul supporter but after he saw this ad he said he's not supporting him anymore!
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/29/ron-pauls-disgraceful-ad
You should welcome your friend to the truth. The truth is that Ron Paul's popularity on the Internet is based on misunderstanding, denial, and hype.

Let's take Digg as an example.

Misunderstanding because they believe his viewpoints on issues such as protecting the constitution somehow make him a rebel that fights against the established politicians. For example, it's quite easy to tell someone that we need to pull out of Iraq immediately, because we're not supposed to be there and we're causing a lot of civil casualties; most people will immediately agree, without realizing that leaving on a minute's notice will cause much more damage than a phased and controlled leave during which it is made sure that the Iraqi army and the UN peacekeepers will be able to take over seamlessly. Since Ron Paul is pretty much the only person (correct me if I'm wrong) arguing for such a stupid thing, people claim that he's "not holding back in order to be political", or "just telling it like it is, unlike the other candidates". That's the kind of thing that makes you popular on Digg, it seems.

Diggers are also in denial, because they refuse to believe it when someone shows them just how horrific Ron Paul's statements really are. There are plenty of resources on the Web on which you can read all about his plans to denounce the UN and the NAFTA, as well as videos in which he speaks about not accepting the evolution theory. Most of these things are simply not posted on the site, and when they do, they rarely reach the front page. A while ago, a video was posted on the site in which Ron Paul can be heard dismissing the evolution theory, and while it generated a lot of negative responses from people who do not support him, it was also labeled "inaccurate". There are even videos of self-proclaimed neo-Nazis floating around YouTube in which they pledge their support to Ron Paul; how do the Diggers take this? They simply say that they're trying to paint their lovely candidate black by association. Yes. They actually say that the neo-Nazis who support Ron Paul are just doing that to make him seem bad. By the way, did you know that Ron Paul is the officially supported candidate of Stormfront, the largest white supremacist Web site?

And then there's the hype. This is much more simple to explain. Basically, since everybody is a fan of Ron Paul, that means you can't succeed or become popular on that site if you don't support him. People who disagree with him usually get so many negative points that their messages in the topic get hidden by default. It's difficult to criticize him and have your message "survive".

You know what the most funny thing about this is? I don't even think that most people on Digg really support the kind of positions that Ron Paul supports, and I actually think they're mostly democrats. They seem to mostly support gay marriage, abortion, and even things like legal marijuana, and that's probably largely because they're our demographic. Just look at Digg The Candidates. If you ignore Ron Paul, the republicans have only superficial support; exactly as you see everywhere else in the 18-29 age group.

So, in reality, Ron Paul's support is largely based on the surge of popularity he got and managed to keep after people started posting all kinds of incorrect and inaccurate statements that they attributed to him. That makes them the exact kind of demagogues they proclaim to want out of Washington without even knowing it! Thankfully, things seem to slowly be turning around lately, but even if Ron Paul somehow loses his support on that site, it's still quite sick that this could have happened in the first place. This is what happens, not when people don't read political programs closely enough, but when people don't read criticism published in the media.

Have your friend read this post!! He deserves to know he was a tool!
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I took that poll and I got:

1) Richardson
2) Edwards
3) Clinton

I'm all for Richardson, not only since he's our governor here in New Mexico, but because he is charasmatic, and dedicated. I think that is what we need in a president. Clinton is a second placer for me, but I am anti-Obama. I just don't like the man.
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You should welcome your friend to the truth. The truth is that Ron Paul's popularity on the Internet is based on misunderstanding, denial, and hype.

Let's take Digg as an example.

Misunderstanding because they believe his viewpoints on issues such as protecting the constitution somehow make him a rebel that fights against the established politicians. For example, it's quite easy to tell someone that we need to pull out of Iraq immediately, because we're not supposed to be there and we're causing a lot of civil casualties; most people will immediately agree, without realizing that leaving on a minute's notice will cause much more damage than a phased and controlled leave during which it is made sure that the Iraqi army and the UN peacekeepers will be able to take over seamlessly. Since Ron Paul is pretty much the only person (correct me if I'm wrong) arguing for such a stupid thing, people claim that he's "not holding back in order to be political", or "just telling it like it is, unlike the other candidates". That's the kind of thing that makes you popular on Digg, it seems.

Diggers are also in denial, because they refuse to believe it when someone shows them just how horrific Ron Paul's statements really are. There are plenty of resources on the Web on which you can read all about his plans to denounce the UN and the NAFTA, as well as videos in which he speaks about not accepting the evolution theory. Most of these things are simply not posted on the site, and when they do, they rarely reach the front page. A while ago, a video was posted on the site in which Ron Paul can be heard dismissing the evolution theory, and while it generated a lot of negative responses from people who do not support him, it was also labeled "inaccurate". There are even videos of self-proclaimed neo-Nazis floating around YouTube in which they pledge their support to Ron Paul; how do the Diggers take this? They simply say that they're trying to paint their lovely candidate black by association. Yes. They actually say that the neo-Nazis who support Ron Paul are just doing that to make him seem bad. By the way, did you know that Ron Paul is the officially supported candidate of Stormfront, the largest white supremacist Web site?

And then there's the hype. This is much more simple to explain. Basically, since everybody is a fan of Ron Paul, that means you can't succeed or become popular on that site if you don't support him. People who disagree with him usually get so many negative points that their messages in the topic get hidden by default. It's difficult to criticize him and have your message "survive".

You know what the most funny thing about this is? I don't even think that most people on Digg really support the kind of positions that Ron Paul supports, and I actually think they're mostly democrats. They seem to mostly support gay marriage, abortion, and even things like legal marijuana, and that's probably largely because they're our demographic. Just look at Digg The Candidates. If you ignore Ron Paul, the republicans have only superficial support; exactly as you see everywhere else in the 18-29 age group.

So, in reality, Ron Paul's support is largely based on the surge of popularity he got and managed to keep after people started posting all kinds of incorrect and inaccurate statements that they attributed to him. That makes them the exact kind of demagogues they proclaim to want out of Washington without even knowing it! Thankfully, things seem to slowly be turning around lately, but even if Ron Paul somehow loses his support on that site, it's still quite sick that this could have happened in the first place. This is what happens, not when people don't read political programs closely enough, but when people don't read criticism published in the media.

Have your friend read this post!! He deserves to know he was a tool!

this entire post is worthless because 1. despite repeated arguments that Ron Paul is a fucking idiot Dok still runs around saying he's his second favorite candidate 2. Doktormartini is dumb as shit and won't read at all since it requires more a thought process than ANIMALS GETTING HURT and 3. the blogger in question is one of the most hardcore Ron Paul supporters. know how? he looks at the evidence and he does what ALL of them do usually; blames the conspiracy/jews.
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Well, I didn't really write that post just so Doktormartini could see the light. I don't think anyone can hope to change his mind, especially since he argues that some candidates are not worth voting for because they support Zionism.

But just in case anyone wanted a summary of Ron Paul on Digg: there it is.
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fffff we just had this conversation, but I guess you didn't actually look at anything???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/

you might have to click a few links!!!!!!!

I read this. he just hasn't been talking about these in his stump speeches. In other words. It hasn't been the main highlights of his campaign.

His main points have been bringing change to Washington. I guess getting out of the war is a second main point for his as well.
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I read this. he just hasn't been talking about these in his stump speeches. In other words. It hasn't been the main highlights of his campaign.

His main points have been bringing change to Washington. I guess getting out of the war is a second main point for his as well.

there's a debate before NH, which is in a week, so check dat out???
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there's a debate before NH, which is in a week, so check dat out???

Alrighty man. I don't get why you fight for barack with your life. I think he's cool. I think he gives probably the best speeches I have ever seen a modern candidate give.

ps there is a debate tonight
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Alrighty man. I don't get why you fight for barack with your life. I think he's cool. I think he gives probably the best speeches I have ever seen a modern candidate give.

ps there is a debate tonight

it's less that I defend Barack (who is kind of overhyped for a dude with conservative opinions on things) and more that the argument that he doesn't take a stance on anything is a false rightwing criticism, as is the whole HE'S NEVER BEEN IN GOVERNMENT.

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I think he has stances. He just generally isn't about talking about them. Just watch his speeches. He's more about connecting with the regular people and portraying change and hope. I don't necessarily think he's going to fold if needing to talk about the issues because as you pointed out, his site has his issues clearly defined.
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Has this been posted yet? http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/candidate-match-game.htm

I ended up with:
1. Dennis Kucinich
2. Bill Richardson
3. Mike Gravel

Not really into American politics, so the only name that sounds vaguely familiar is Bill Richardson.


I'm going for Obama though, seems like the right guy.
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