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Why is that? I'm not criticizing you but I'm wondering why you think Obama is not a good choice while Kucinich is. I didn't know much about Kucinich before, but apparently our views are pretty close as well. It seems to me, at a glance, that anyone who supports Kucinich would also be pretty down with Obama on at least most of the major topics.

I've done that test too (without the candidates though) but I ended up pretty much where you did I think, which makes sense because after having read some about Obama and Kucinich I must say they both seem pretty good. I like the fact that Kucinich is pro-fresh-air-to-breathe (he actually thinks the environment is an important issue unlike the current president and probably many other candidates).
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I believe it has something to do with Obama being bought by the filthy jews, while Kucnich is championing their demise.
Actually one reason is because Obama is a zionist.  He admitted the Palestinians were treated like shit but said he wouldn't do anything about it.  Kucinich isn't "championing their demise"  I actually don't know his stance on Israel, I know he is pro peace though.  I also know he took a trip to Lebanon and saw a kid by his parent's grave (or something like that) and it "touched him."

Also, Kucnich is anti-war, Obama isn't.  Sure, he wants to end Iraq but he also has no problem using force against Iran.  Also, I haven't read up on Obama's environmental views (if he has any) but I know Kucinich is big on protecting the environment.
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yeah it's a shame one of the greatest chess players ever is so moronic.

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Also, Kucnich is anti-war, Obama isn't.  Sure, he wants to end Iraq but he also has no problem using force against Iran.  Also, I haven't read up on Obama's environmental views (if he has any) but I know Kucinich is big on protecting the environment.

I think that makes sense too. I don't know that much about this whole anti-zionism issue you're emphasizing a lot but those two things you just mentioned are probably reasons enough why Kucinich would make a good candidate (in my opinion).
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kucinich wants to get out of iraq ASAP.

here's a fun game that matches the candidates to your political views, you can learn some stuff about the candidates too: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/candidate-match-game.htm

make sure you adjust the sliders at the end, depending on how much you care about each issue. my top three were Obama, Chris Dodd, then Hillary Clinton. it doesn't cover every issue and I wouldn't focus upon the results, but it seems like a pretty decent test overall.
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my top three were Kucinich, Guliani and Gravel (who looks like father time)

hooray for the Ohio candidate though!
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How on earth is Giuliani in your top three?
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He's for guns and against pretty much everything else.  It ESPECIALLY bothers me that he's against things like the FDA.  People are pissed that the FDA keeps holding back all of these supposedly amazing drugs, but they'd be far more pissed if those drugs got through too easily and severely damaged or killed them.  He's also against stem cell research so I don't know what he's trying to do there.  He's against abortions, but he's also against gay adoption, so how about we keep on breeding those babies but deny a pretty large portion of possible parents from giving them homes.  He was also against a worldwide amber alert system, so fuck all you children.

And this is true for almost all the Rublicans that are running for president... they're not real conservatives.  When I heard Ron Paul was for guns I was like "okay that's cool" but then he's like "i'm pro-choice lol" and I said "aw gahd, there goes half your Mr. High Moral citizen support" and then he started blabbing on and I just thought to myself "What the fuck does this guy stand for?"  The republicans this year don't really stand on the right nor do they stand on the left or the middle... it's like they're floating in space somewhere.


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kucinich wants to get out of iraq ASAP.

This is dangerous thinking.  I don't know how far you're exaggerating this statement (because I don't follow Kucinich so I wouldn't know) but if he just wants to pack up and leave IMMEDIATELY then he's only going to fuck things up more than if we actually stayed.
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uh, so because obama is a moderate in the Israel-Palestinian debate that makes him a zionist? HUH?

And yeah, ron paul IS THAT BAD.

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And this is true for almost all the Rublicans that are running for president... they're not real conservatives.  When I heard Ron Paul was for guns I was like "okay that's cool" but then he's like "i'm pro-choice lol" and I said "aw gahd, there goes half your Mr. High Moral citizen support" and then he started blabbing on and I just thought to myself "What the fuck does this guy stand for?"  The republicans this year don't really stand on the right nor do they stand on the left or the middle... it's like they're floating in space somewhere.

he's actually "pro state rights" which is you know, backhanded speak for "pro lynchings if a state is cool with it" and "pro life if a state is cool with it".

Now while I'm pro life I am definately NOT for State's rights whatsoever.


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This is dangerous thinking.  I don't know how far you're exaggerating this statement (because I don't follow Kucinich so I wouldn't know) but if he just wants to pack up and leave IMMEDIATELY then he's only going to fuck things up more than if we actually stayed.

yeah it's way more dangerous than letting our boys get their arms blown off from IED's and come home in bodybags.

I'm aware that you're in the military and whatnot, but we're fighting an idiotic war and we shouldn't have to lose one more american life.
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did you adjust the sliders wc?? gotta adjust them sliders

This is dangerous thinking.  I don't know how far you're exaggerating this statement (because I don't follow Kucinich so I wouldn't know) but if he just wants to pack up and leave IMMEDIATELY then he's only going to fuck things up more than if we actually stayed.
he said "we shouldn't send one more soldier to iraq" or something like that. he does want to pull out ASAP, but I'm not sure if ASAP = immediately. Either way, not the best choice imo.
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yeah it's way more dangerous than letting our boys get their arms blown off from IED's and come home in bodybags.

I'm aware that you're in the military and whatnot, but we're fighting an idiotic war and we shouldn't have to lose one more american life.

I don't want soldiers in Iraq anymore than the common level headed man but simply TURNING TAIL AND RUNNING is ridiculous.  The country would practically crumble in a single night as everyone with the biggest guns jumps out of their hidey holes and takes over.

Bush made a big enough mess by evading but just straight up retreating would be like building a bridge with no support pillars and then opening up to public use.
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as much as i'm for pulling the troops out of Iraq, I kind of think we should leave peacekeeping forces behind. however, on the other hand, that just seems to be PISSING THEM ALL OFF so idk
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did you adjust the sliders wc?? gotta adjust them sliders
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I am still trying to figure out the guliani

I looked issue by issue and I disagreed with him on almost everything but at the same time I wasnt on the opposite camp so I guess that means that we sorta agree by association. or something I dont know
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Bush made a big enough mess by evading but just straight up retreating would be like building a bridge with no support pillars and then opening up to public use.

Especially in a universe such as this one where GEN Petraeus' counterinsurgency plan is actually starting to work.  In general, it's almost in the bag and we're doing the right things to spur it along.  Even the West, which apparently used to be this lawless wasteland, is now the model of the entire country because troops got together with tribal leaders and sheikhs and encouraged them to ward groups like al-Qaeda and Ansar al-Sunnah away.  The only real problem is with the North, and some of it's Iraq's mess, but some of it's also Turkey taking care of their resistance group problem.  Did you guys know that the military's paying people to defend their villages from terrorist groups?  They're probably paying more than an equal representative from a terrorist group who would approach them with bank notes and a bomb vest in hand.

I could've seen leaving eight or nine months ago because it was a lost cause, but now it would be ridiculous.  People don't really know that the situation has improved that much because the media's not putting it out there, and we're not searching for it, otherwise we'd know.  Fuck, this is a war for which we're not even being taxed; you think anyone but the military isn't propped up in their proverbial recliner wondering why Congress keeps super-sizing the war budget, why our deficit keeps growing?  This war was an afterthought, and it shows, but that doesn't mean we should leave just when the train is starting to pick up steam.
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I could've seen leaving eight or nine months ago because it was a lost cause, but now it would be ridiculous.  People don't really know that the situation has improved that much because the media's not putting it out there, and we're not searching for it, otherwise we'd know.  Fuck, this is a war for which we're not even being taxed; you think anyone but the military isn't propped up in their proverbial recliner wondering why Congress keeps super-sizing the war budget, why our deficit keeps growing?  This war was an afterthought, and it shows, but that doesn't mean we should leave just when the train is starting to pick up steam.
please explain how my tax dollars are actually not going to the military
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It doesn't matter what we do as a country, the damage is done.  Had we never even claimed Iraq had WMD's or Afghanistan was harboring terrorists, there would still be violence across the Middle East.  There's so much history of violence between Iraq and Iran and because they're so oil rich, they feel that they have to "butt heads" with the other world super powers so they can make a name for themselves.  I'll tell you guys this that last summer, the worlds largest fleet force (made up of American, French, and British ships) in history was practically sitting on Iran's beaches.  

Did you notice how they shut up for a while after releasing those British marines?  

The only way to stop the violence is to convince everyone that violence ISN'T the answer but when you're talking about countries that were subjugated to violence for centuries it's kind of a hard straw to grasp onto.

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No, we are being taxed.   My bad.  I made a mistake, but the generalities of my point still stand.  Thanks for calling me out on it; I'd never really had an excuse to go actually look up the tax information.  What I mean is that as a military, we are stretched thin and we've recently had to lay off federal employees at a time where they don't really need to be laid off, so why not raise taxes?  I know I'm missing something here; is there a reason not to raise taxes for the absurd cost of the war?
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I know I'm missing something here; is there a reason not to raise taxes for the absurd cost of the war?

Because people fucking flip out whenever taxes are raised even the slightest.  I have yet to meet anyone who couldn't reasonably pay their taxes but freak out and start speaking in tongues whenever rumors pop up of "possible tax increase." 

Just be lucky you don't live in a shitty common wealth state like Virginia and you have to pay fucking state taxes OUT THE ASS.  Hell, be lucky if you don't live in District of Colombia.  Those fuckers can't even VOTE and they're the state fucking capital.
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No, we are being taxed.   My bad.  I made a mistake, but the generalities of my point still stand.  Thanks for calling me out on it; I'd never really had an excuse to go actually look up the tax information.  What I mean is that as a military, we are stretched thin and we've recently had to lay off federal employees at a time where they don't really need to be laid off, so why not raise taxes?  I know I'm missing something here; is there a reason not to raise taxes for the absurd cost of the war?
well maybe the military wouldnt be stretched so thin if we werent keeping 30,000 troops in korea and tons all over the rest of the world

and if we werent fighting two wars in two countries at once nom sayin
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