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So you keep saying, yet you have not provided any viable evidence.

F*CK every scientist and sound engineer in the world has proved that CDs have higher quality and you say I didn't provide any viable evidence, I do not understand that! I think the PVC molecules of your vinyls have caused you a brain disorder

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The same can happen with CDs. Also interesting how you conveniently ignored what was after that, which I believe answers your question very well.

Warped CDs can be recycled, LPs can't

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Christ, how big are your pockets? I can't fit any CDs inside mine.

If you wore cargo pants you would be able to put a lot of CDs inside them

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Untrue! You should do your research before spouting things! (I have one of these, they are great)

Wouldn't transforming it into a DIGITAL sound file have the same effect of putting it in a CD?

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I didn't say that, straw man. That also doesn't make a computer any smaller nor any less complicated.

Yes, they're already small and uncomplicated enough.

They're so uncomplicated any idiot can use them. Even I.


I'll stop now because it's no use trying to argue with LP purists.
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F*CK every scientist and sound engineer in the world has proved that CDs have higher quality and you say I didn't provide any viable evidence, I do not understand that!
It's all very well you saying that, but that does not necessarily make it true. Provide evidence, don't just talk about it.
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I think the PVC molecules of your vinyls have caused you a brain disorder
Now you're just being infantile.
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Warped CDs can be recycled, LPs can't
I provided those links for a reason.
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If you wore cargo pants you would be able to put a lot of CDs inside them
If you wore giant trousers you'd be able to fit vinyls in the pockets. This still has nothing to do with whether either are better.
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Wouldn't transforming it into a DIGITAL sound file have the same effect of putting it in a CD?
Yes, it would, that is my point! It doesn't make it any different to a CD in this regard.
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Yes, they're already small and uncomplicated enough.
Are you saying that computers aren't large, complicated pieces of machinery that require care with their usage?
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I'll stop now because it's no use trying to argue with LP purists.
Get off your high horse and provide any evidence for the "facts" you've spouted. There's no point trying to argue with idiots, either, so prove otherwise.
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someone should just ban inri cheetos.

at least my trolls reply to people, he just says UM...NOP.

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You cannot recycle vinyl discs.
CDs are smaller.
You can uses CDs as mirrors, you can even make a periscope with them
You can pirate CDs at home
You can record CDs at home and it doesn't even need some huge and complicated machinery

But they still have the disavantage that they cannot be made of chocolate like LPs

this shit is unbelievably unfunny or good or anything get banned inri cheetos tia.
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"BAN INRI CHEETOS"

god you are stupid steel
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"BAN INRI CHEETOS"

god you are stupid steel

yeah that was clearly a serious argument for banning I was making instead of a hint for inri cheetos to shut the hell up because no one finds his shtick entertaining anymore.

look how dumb/gay/stupid/bort you are.
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you are many times as obnoxious and inri cheetos brings up valid points not about jenga

YOU ARE RUBBING A NEEDLE ACROSS PLASTIC THE SOUND IS GOING TO FUCK UP BECAUSE THE WORLD IS NOT A PERFECT PLACE BOOM
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like seriously, he says "guys sure cds are only accurate to a certain extent [cause ][/cause] but pvc molecules have errors at that microscopic of a level etc" and then the response is AREYOU EVEN LISTENING? WHAT ABOUT SAMPLING RATES? TRAIN YOUR EARS? WHY DO THEY KEEP MAKING VINYL THEN??? VINYL!
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except no not at all, he didn't say that at all and has instead said repeatedly CDS ARE SMALLER ALSO BIG COMPUTERS ARE NEEDED.

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- CDs have a better dynamic range than LPs
- You can't tell the difference between 96khz and 44khz sampling rates
- CDs have a higher fidelity than LPs and therefore they have a better sound quality
- The fact of thinking LPs are better is subjective
- CDs are better period

none of these are necessarily true. just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn't mean it shouldn't be removed.

the reason vinyl sucks is because yeah they get easily dirty and melty and suck for more than like five listens and are expensive and LOADS of other reasons but that has nothing to do with sound quality or the basic theory behind vinyl or even appreciating vinyl.

its just getting irritating because everyone knows that analog recording by necessity is more clear and vinyls still suck but Inri Cheetos has to RAGE AGAINST THE VINYL MACHINE and perhaps most important of all is almost always completely off base.

like seriously, he says "guys sure cds are only accurate to a certain extent [cause of 1s and 0s and storage size and sampling rates etc but i dont know how he phrased it] but pvc molecules have errors at that microscopic of a level etc" and then the response is AREYOU EVEN LISTENING? WHAT ABOUT SAMPLING RATES? TRAIN YOUR EARS? WHY DO THEY KEEP MAKING VINYL THEN??? VINYL!

there are a lot of shortcomings but that kind of shit only occurs with poorly made or really old vinyls that might be warped with heat or something. like, I am pretty sure everyone is discussing a really rare case of a new well made vinyl versus a new well made cd, not what actually happens. PVC MOLECULES don't have errors (this makes no sense bort do you understand inri cheetos's brain yet MOLECULES DONT HAVE ERRORS but he keeps saying molecules instead of debris/dirt/anything not on the atomic level), but if the original process of making the vinyl was shoddy then yeah you'll get some material stuck in a bump which will cause it to make a pop.

most new vinyls will be better than new cds even on average because of the overproducing of sound (which exists everywhere now and can't be discounted with WELL IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN if we're going to speak on realism (which is the only way you can say vinyls degrade because in theory world you store vinyl in 300 dollar refrigerated sleeves or some shit)) and for every point he makes, he sticks his head into his own ass for the next ten.
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1. he said that when he was also talking about CHOCOLATE LPS ok
2. i dont mean errors i mean you are making shit out of plastic and there is no possible way it will form perfectly. same with cds but at least they are harder! regardless of whether or not ALL THE SOUND is put there and shit is not cut off like cds blah blah blah blah blah it is still on (pretty fluid/flexible) plastic and there are problems with this. maybe not even CRACKLES/POPS (though i sure get them) but just uhhhhhhhh so what if cds cannot hold all the information and have to sample at x rate and so on and so forth, plastic is not capable of that kind of fidelity either sorry
3. the OVERPRODUCED argument is bullshit because if you can buy a new vinyl you can buy a new cd of the same thing, and do you think they are going to be recorded differently?
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inri cheetos is winning btw. that record pressing machine is to do thousands of presses, just like an industrial cd burner is giant. you can get small handpress things after you've made a plate iirc

cds are a much better format physically because they're smaller, more durable, and can be used as mirrors.
vinyls have a higher sampling rate because they're analogue but most of the extra information is dust, scratches, or other background noise that gives vinyl that distinctive feel.
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this wasn't the arguement. The first thing I stated was that this only applies if the vinyl is in mint condition.

CD's a far more convienient and cheaper. They are smaller, easily copied and don't lose quality of sound overtime.

This wasn't my arguement. I simply said that Vinyl's store the actual sound, whereas CD's replicate the sound using thousands of little samples a second.

Inri cheetos was basically saying that thats not how CD's work and that they actually have a better quality of sound.

Digital is always trying to replicate what the actual true form is and quality-wise, they are getting pretty close, but it's still not exactly the same as analog.


also, bort: have you ever heard of CDJs? you can scratch, change tempo etc on a CD.

Vinyl DJs use Vinyls becuase they say it has better sound quality. It's anal, but can be true.

The main thing you need to remember is that anything Digital is always a representation of existing technology for convienience.

I'm not saying I prefer vinyl. Personally I don't care, I was meerly saying that technically vinyls hold the true sine wave and digital replicates the sine wave using samples of it...
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I never said that lyndon. You're hallucinating.

BTW do any of you guys know of a freeware VST plugin that can simulate the low-fi sound of a LP?
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also, bort: have you ever heard of CDJs? you can scratch, change tempo etc on a CD.

Vinyl DJs use Vinyls becuase they say it has better sound quality. It's anal, but can be true.
too recent of an invention to have any impact, and no, vinyl djs use vinyl because djs have used vinyl for years and years and years and it's a cultural thing more than anything else
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Vinyl DJs use Vinyls becuase they say it has better sound quality. It's anal, but can be true.

there is no way in hell that's true at all.

I mean I can think of a few that would refuse CDs, like DJ Sushi and shit, but it definitely because vinyls are more popular by far.
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I DJ on my student radio station and all of the DJs that DJ at our nightclub use CDs.

CDs are definitley more popular than vinyls. Not all albums come out on CDs and when they do, it's usually only a limited amount :/

I never said that lyndon. You're hallucinating.

Hahaha very funny. But if you read on how CDs and vinyls and sampling rates (for audio) work you'll find out I'm right.
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I...don't think you know what kind of DJs we mean.

trust me the average hiphop DJ is definitely using vinyl because it's cheaper and more importantly, it's probably all he or she knows since it's saturated the industry so much!
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Well I'm not sure if vinyl is better but I do think it degrades gracefully

As in records have little crackles and pops and stuff but a damaged CD will make these really horrible sounds that make you want to kill yourself

But CDs can be ripped and copied back so CDs still win

Actually FLAC wins
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I DJ on my student radio station and all of the DJs that DJ at our nightclub use CDs.

CDs are definitley more popular than vinyls. Not all albums come out on CDs and when they do, it's usually only a limited amount :/


 I still don't see where I said that CD audio doesn't work by taking a lot of samples per second

But google for Nyquist Theorem, you'll find out that what I said about sampling rate is true
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But google for Nyquist Theorem, you'll find out that what I said about sampling rate is theoretical at best, which is what I said.
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lol no way