haha, that's not me

if you're really dedicated to music you would learn theory.

But what if there's no theory for what he wants to do?

But what if there's no theory for what he wants to do?

Please find me any music that has no theory behind it.

But what if there's no theory for what he wants to do?

what the fuck does this mean

Please find me any music that has no theory behind it.

Shepperd music

Please find me any music that has no theory behind it.

Shepperd's music is technically musical, so it has a certain base musical theory behind it, even if Shepperd hasn't learnt the intricacies of musical theory.

So if a chimpanzee hits random keys on a piano (I'm not calling you a monkey Shepperd) it has musical theory behind it, even if the chimp didn't learn theory?

BTW it would be funny to do that

Here, what is the theory behind this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM

haha, that's not me

Yeah I realize that and knew it when i posted it. It doesnt apply to all musicians (like jimi hendrex or flea), but at least they knew about shapes and how to make things that sounded good to them. when i am jamming with my friends I am not thinking about "ok playt a 9th chord here and then you play the 13th and then ill diminish this chord and ssdlsdf;gsg" I am just thinking about making good music and whatever flows out of me naturally is what I get. the only time i apply theory is if i am actually writing jazz chord progressions or something, but i dont even like doing that much, i prefer to just play modally or something and let everyone develope their own music how they want

While that cat isnt doing anything consciously with theory, you can explain everything she does in that video through it.  theory was NEVER intended to dictate how to write music.  theory EXPLAINS how music works.  open your mind man.

So if a chimpanzee hits random keys on a piano (I'm not calling you a monkey Shepperd) it has musical theory behind it, even if the chimp didn't learn theory?

No, because it wouldn't be musical.

But what if it was a person instead of a chimp who played exactly the same thing?

Musical is anything man. As pretentious as it may sound. I can bang some shit with a hammer and call the output "Bolero of Xena" and it is musical. Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music is musical. John Cage 4:33 is musical, despite the 4:33 of silence. yeah it sounds horribly pretentious but you can't deny it. If you deny it, you're narrow minded.

Also Ryan, yeah. I also know some shapes, I can also read sheet music, but I choose not to because it bores the shit out of me and I rather play my instruments as a way to channel my inmediate emotions.


edit: also Inri Cheetos, everything I do can be explained through theory.
In fact, back then when I had a geetar profesor, I showed him my music and he was like "play that again" and would figure out what I was doing and explain everything I did through theory even though I was completely negligent at it.

Yes shepperd but what theories do you use to create it? You can analyse anything any way you want but what really matters in this case is how it's made

I just start from the shapes I know and just explore from there

yeah i am like shepperd. i don't really know anything about theory other than chord names and stuff i have thought up for myself. and all of that is just vague "this is how i do it" kind of rules. and sometimes, i'm all like fuck "this is how i do it" and bust out something completely flopped-out! maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

although, really, i'm starting to get extremely dissatisfied with the music i've been making (generally at least), so maybe it's time i looked to...the masters.

Have you ever heard of chromatics?

Chromaticism is when you play notes that aren't in the scale you're using right now but this does not apply to atonal harmony and improvisation methods

That is a cat "playing" (leaning on and then pawing) a piano. How on earth does it relate to this discussion?

It relates in that it  is music with no theory

And it is cute