Haha, WHERT.. of course I got the sarcasm. Im not a idiot.

And your custom title is right, only the cool kids do smoke.

Often wonder if this is a worse problem in America or the UK.

Cos over there people seem to genreally kill each other more, but here we're all cramped up with people of different cultures and that.
It's a tricky one.

But yeah, pretty sad this happens. Too many people that watched This Is England and didnt quite get the message (or charvas, lest we forget).

Read poetry? sure i like it but i have yet to do that :P. hmmm Goth is a lifestyle choice, but its a lot more then just the clothes and interests, theres also a mind set that goes along with it, that is : generally a pacifist, un-prejudiced (or whatever the opposite of prejudice is) a satirical point of view when some one tries to make fun of you, and as already said an interest into the dark and macabre, whilst there not defining traits, there ones you can most defiantly expect from a goth. To be honest, theres just to much in what a goth is so its tooo hard to define what goth is.

Thanks for your input, Hammurabi!

generally a pacifist, un-prejudiced (or whatever the opposite of prejudice is) a satirical point of view when some one tries to make fun of you, and as already said an interest into the dark and macabre, whilst there not defining traits, there ones you can most defiantly expect from a goth.

If this is what being a goth is then not only have I never met a goth, but all the "goths" I know of are the worst goths ever.  They are all INCREDIBLY prejudiced (although they do claim to not be), aren't pacifistic per se (really wanting to start fights but being too afraid of being beat up doesn't count as pacifist), want to be satirical but don't understand what satire is...

I'm starting to think that goths aren't real at this point.

Ya real goths are extremely rare, because faux-goth is just so popular nowadays.

Being goth doesn't even mean DRESS IN BLACK, you just need an active interest in the goth lifestyle (ie poetry lols).

So yeah chances are no one alive has met a real goth......

The real goths are generally an extension on the extremes of punk and new wave trends (listen to shit like soussie and the banshies, the cult etc, have their hair look like they styled it with salmon jizz and black die etc)
The modern "goth" is more some poser who watches tim burton movies and thinks they're so deep and unique that they have to imitate them to be an individual. Essentially the modern "goth" isn't a real person persay because they lack the cpacity to show any sign of anything else other than being/doing what they're told to.

ther than being/doing what they're told to.

yes but only by cool people, not by "the man"

To be honest, most goth now days are well, just posers. They think goth is just wearing black and listening to bands like Marylin Manson and limpBiskit (sp). Whilst i don't mind people like that, i just hate the fact there only doing it just to be apart of the scene and couldn't care less for anything about what makes a goth a goth.

One thing you must understand is that being goth is about being unique, hence the black (cos most where colours). Goths do have colour, i mean i Have boots that have bright shiny red on them and spikes, and once my hair grows out a bit more longer i'm gonna get red streaks done. And whilst its not a requirement listening to goth/industrial bands like: BAUHAUS, Sisters of mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Nosferatu, killing joke, etc it often a given as most other goths will probably ask you about them (plus there awesome bands any way so why not listen?). and for the record i listen to tons of heavy metal, metal, hard rock, alternative becuase i like it, as do many others.

To be honest a goth doesn't openly go around and say i'm a goth, we just tend to not saying anything unless some one asks. I usually give one of two answers depending on the situation. Usually i say i'm not a goth, i'm me but i associate as part of the goth subculture or i say simply yes i am.
One thing goths don't like is labels so a goth won't rally say there goth as it is a label, so thats a good way to see if either goth or poser.

I look at my self as being apart of the goth culture becuase my likes and dislikes fit in with it, not becuase i like things and dislike things a goth would. I'm not trying to fit in with the goth subculture, i fit in Because what i like makes me apart of the goth subculture..

In the end theres no real defining traits of what a goth is becuase there are so many kinds of goth, the best way to look at it is that every goth is apart of there own subculture and like to hang out with others of similar subculture.

Either way goths are unique from each other as thats what goths strive to be, unique and different from the conformists

anything else you want to know, just ask

P.S. Modern goths are as you put, are posers. Unless they associate with the goth culture out of choice and whilst apart of it do what they want, if there having to be told what to do to be a goth, then there just posers.