Politics U.S Presidential Primary Thread #2 (Read 14095 times)

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whoa look! i found a post by dark angel saying "lets ban all males from GW" and he's got an argument with it.

well I'll be expecting the admins to do it.

(he did not actually say this, just saying)
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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/04/27/sot.wright.naacp.cnn

a rather awesome speech from Rev. Wright today at the NAACP dinner. the cnn video is pretty shitty but it's all that's out right now
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So, apparently Rush Limbaugh has been telling Republicans to temporarily switch parties and vote for Hillary in order to drag out the primaries in an attempt to divide the Democrats even further.  I really think that he's finally losing it, but still, Hillary has been gaining ground from these voters who won't side with her during the general.

He's been calling it Operation Chaos and it's all over his site.

Yeah, apparently it worked a little here in Pennsylvania.  There was an editorial in the Washington Post the other day that stated that 6% of the people who answered exit polls and voted for Clinton said they'd vote against her in the general if she were the nominee.  Limbaugh has also called for riots in Denver during the DNC convention in August.
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So, apparently Rush Limbaugh has been telling Republicans to temporarily switch parties and vote for Hillary in order to drag out the primaries in an attempt to divide the Democrats even further.  I really think that he's finally losing it, but still, Hillary has been gaining ground from these voters who won't side with her during the general.

He's been calling it Operation Chaos and it's all over his site.

for someone who interprets the constitution literally he sure has absolutely no respect for voting rights, electoral standards, or basic decency

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for someone who interprets the constitution literally he sure has absolutely no respect for voting rights, electoral standards, or basic decency

He's also a die hard republican, who would stop at nothing to ensure they stay in the white house.
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ahahahahahahaha are you fucking kidding me?

edit:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/clinton-adviser-claims-in_n_99810.html (draw your own conclusion)
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That is pretty amazing.
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i'm sitting there and listening to the original from the war room and it's still in dispute for me.  I don't think he said what people think he is saying in the last part of the clip, but he definitely said either that "those people are shitting," or that "those people are shitty."  he's stated it's a reference to the pollsters, but I don't know how much water that holds.  people are saying that the one with all the text is doctored, but I don't know how that holds up either.  all I know is it's pretty hilarious whether it turns out to be true or not, but it's a non-issue for me.

edit:  ABC is denying this with fucking vigor.  it's probably a hoax, but it's definitely an interesting reaction from them, all things considered.

let's look into this: who benefits if we find out that this was traced back to someone with vested interest in a candidate?

speaking of paul:  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-trailgop2-2008may02,0,5989306.story

this in particular got a raised eyebrow from me:

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About 600 well-organized Paul supporters overwhelmed McCain's forces and engineered a rule change that permitted national convention delegates to be nominated from the floor, wresting the task from party leaders.

my god.
Last Edit: May 03, 2008, 12:02:34 am by Pasty
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It's hard to make a decision about what it says after we've been told what it is supposed to say. Your mind plays tricks on your ears.

That said, I listened to that small fragment in the original clip on repeat about 15 times and honestly it sounds much closer to "White House, white nigger" than "White House right now"
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the primary in guam is today.

Obama 899
Clinton 769
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Barack Obama 1,393 (53.3 percent).
Hillary Clinton has 1,222 (46.7 percent).
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Obama won Guam by a mere 7 votes.

By the way, the horse that Clinton picked to win the Kentucky Derby (because it was a female horse, big surprise) came in second and had to be euthanized.  Coincidence or ominous omen of things to come for Hillary?
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what really.

holy damn you are right!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080504/ap_on_el_pr/guam_caucuses

edit it was a caucus which is different, but still.
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This is not to say I am for REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH (although... in a perfect world...) but I am definately for raising the tax burden on the rich and super rich to a point that is higher than what it is now. So you can afford healthcare? Great! You can also afford to pitch in for healthcare for the 40+ million americans who if their fucking foot falls off, they can have it put back on without going into debt for the rest of your life. Consider yourself blessed that you have the things you do, honestly many people are less fortunate, and if you are wealthy you are even more blessed, you are lucky and it is the government's responsibility in a just society to make you contribute to the welfare of others.

sorry but don't use that stupid MY MORALS ARE DIFFERENT ARGUMENT ok

maybe... i think rape is ok... it's my morals asshole...

some morals are inherantly a part of civilized society. in EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH the rich are forced by the government to contribute to programs such as uhc.

Damn.... That was pretty rational.

Doesn't this break some kind of e-law?


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Good lord, sorry, I just have to dump this in here. I wrote a post about Hillary's Bill O'Reilly interview, and got a novel of a response about all this stuff that I hadn't really even focused on from a big Ron paul libertarian friend. He starts off on a huuuge strawman.

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New poll from NY Times/CBS has Obama leading McCain by 11% and Clinton leading McCain by 12%. Also shows aftermath of newest Wright controversy (or lack thereof?)

    OBAMA’S HANDLING OF WRIGHT SITUATION (Among registered voters who have heard about Wright)

           All Voters   Dem Primary Voters
    Approve      60%         68%
    Disapprove   23          22

    Half of voters think Obama’s comments on Wright were appropriate, but one in four voters (and slightly more Republicans) would have        liked him to have gone further in his rejection.

    OBAMA’S COMMENTS ON WRIGHT WERE...
    (Among registered voters who have heard about Wright)
                 All Voters    Dem Primary Voters
    About right          52%    53%
    Not critical enough  26     24
    Too critical          6      9

    Almost half – 47% - of voters see political motivation as the main reason behind Obama’s decision to renounce his minister.
    Fewer, 34% think the split came mainly because Obama disagreed with things Wright said.

    IF THE CANDIDATES WERE..., WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR? (Among registered voters)
              Now  4/30   4/3/08
    Obama       51%  45%   47%
    McCain      40   45    42
    Undecided/DK 5    6     7

    IF THE CANDIDATES WERE..., WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR? (Among registered voters)
              Now  4/30   4/3/2008
    Clinton     53%  48%  48%
    McCain      41   43   43
    Undecided/DK 3    5    5
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Good lord, sorry, I just have to dump this in here. I wrote a post about Hillary's Bill O'Reilly interview, and got a novel of a response about all this stuff that I hadn't really even focused on from a big Ron paul libertarian friend. He starts off on a huuuge strawman.


YOUR DOLLARS ARE VOTES is the stupidest fucking logic I have ever heard.

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Indiana and North Carolina vote today.  I hope Obama can win both and shut this thing down finally.
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no kidding.

i am leaving to see Mark Warner, the former Virginia governor give a speech today. he's running for Virginia's other senate seat. if he wins this will be the first time in decades that Virginia has had entirely Democratic governor/senators.
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Indiana and North Carolina vote today.  I hope Obama can win both and shut this thing down finally.

Yeah I personally like Obama more and more as time goes on but honestly I'd vote for him *or* Clinton just as quickly.  I would love to see Obama clean up so we can move on with our lives and stop splitting hairs between two candidates that are pretty much the same thing (we can split hairs but seriously there is a reason why debates have focused on lapel pins).
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