So really, same thing just 20 years behind?
complete and utter fucking opinion

So let me get this straight:

a) you're defending people who attack young defenseless children and have sexual intercourse with them, forever scaring them and most likely destroying any chance they have of integrating back into society

b) you hate homosexuals, because any person who says what you just said can't honestly like them if you're saying pedophilia is anything close to homosexuality.

Okay, Bravo, Inri, before you guys continue on defending pedophiles let me point out that children are not legally capable (by man's law) of consenting to sex and this applies to pretty much every country regardless of how much of a shit hole it is.  Having physical intercourse with a human being before they're fully developed (I.E before puberty is finished) has been proven to be detrimental and hazardous to healthy growth.

HAVING SEX WITH KIDS IS LITERALLY HAZARDOUS TO THEIR PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH

Some countries have varying ages of consent like 13 or 14 which is the typical age that puberty (usually) finishes but because humans mature at such a stupidly varying rate, the United States says 16-18 depending on the state and even then if you're 19 or older you can't sex with a 16 year old. 

These laws are put in place to stop predators and I've SEEN sexual predators and talked to them before and they're not very nice people to hold a sunday chat with.  It is an unhealthy, mental obsession and cannot be compared to homosexuality because that's an actual physical attraction.  Pedophilia is on the same level as OCD.  There is no love for a child, it's an obsession, a want, a burning desire.  Medicine still hasn't reached the point of completely eliminating mental quirks but HOLY FUCK what kind of society would we live in if we accepted people that chased after children?  A pedophilic father would lust after his daughter... heck, even his son because pedophilia isn't gender specific.

My God I am losing faith in humanity.  We should just lay back and accept everyone into society.  Serial killers, arsonists, rapists; these guys have mental obsessions but fuck IT'S JUST LIKE HOMOSEXUALITY RIGHT WE CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR KILLER PSYCHOS!!"

That paedophilia is wrong is nothing but an opinion and stop saying it's anything else. I'm pretty sure everyone on this forum hates the idea of children being abused etc, but paedophilia is NOT something people choose to have and it's a great burden a lot of people have to carry and hide for their entire lives, never ever acting out on their sexual preference. There's nothing wrong about paedophilia at all, and saying these people by default are EVIL/WRONG/IMMORAL etc is really the wrong way to go.

Besides not everyone who checks out child porn is a paedophile (read in my psychology book that about half of all males have one or more short phases where children arouse them sexually), and as such people that also act out on children might not be paedophiles. People that live with that sexual preference their entire lives and do not act out on it ever suffer but are brave people. It's not their fault.

hey lars quick question



how does child porn get made



yeah that's what we're discussing and calling horrible people is the people who make the child porn (these are still pedophiles)

I don't see why you're really asking this if you read Lars' post at all. He's saying that there's a difference between people who don't act upon their urges and those who do. Those who create child porn are part of the latter category and should be severely punished for it.

But die gedanken sind frei, and you can't simply indiscriminately punish all pedophiles for only the reason that they are.

I know this but that wasn't what we were talking about, he was agreeing with BravoSector, and maybe BravoSector didn't realize but I don't think anyone ever said punish all pedophiles, I am pretty sure we were saying the people who do the raping and what not are terrible people and then Inri + Bravo go NOO NOO so maybe they got confused.

I was just telling Lars that we are doing exactly what he said so don't be so confused basically??

Obviously there is a difference between a pedophile who knows their urge is wrong and doesn't act on it, and one who acts on it.

What is that difference? Is one of them any more wrong or right to be the way they are?
I actually heard recently that some UN watchdog organization has been pressing Japanese legislators hard to criminalize the production and possession of lolicon, so that may actually change very soon (probably not because it's japan)

Yeah, there is, dude.

At least the person who isn't acting out on it isn't actually harming any kids, and isn't breaking any laws. Still probably needs help from a counselor etc, but at least they aren't raping or hurting any children, because they realize their sexual urge is wrong, and you can't help your sexual urges.


I'd say that's a pretty big difference.

EDIT: I am talking about people who have the urges but don't act on them on all, ie: don't look at porn of it etc, because then they are obviously breaking the law.

complete and utter fucking opinion

How is saying child porn is wrong just a "complete and utter fucking opinion"? Like, its VERY DEBATABLE? I don't think so. I have explained precisely WHY its wrong in the post. Like why its legally, and technically, and morally wrong. If you still don't think its wrong, there is something wrong with you.


And, I didn't know all child porn was legal in japan, I thought only drawn and other false child porn was. Thats pretty nasty.

I was agreeing in BravoSector that paedophilia in itself necessarily isn't evil or wrong, rather that acting out on it is.

Actually, I'm glad you brought this up because the word "pedophile" seems to have lost its meaning in this topic.

When used as a suffix, -philia is a pejorative that means someone who acts on their fixation or obsession.  Someone who is attracted to children isn't wrong, but pedophiles are, with no exception, sexual predators.  The biggest difference between making love to a child and an adult is that children have legal guardians.  No sane guardian would consent to their 10 year old kid screwing some 30 year old man, so most pedophiles either trick the child to do depraved acts in secret and then threaten them with violence if they tell or they resort to greater felonies like kidnapping and brainwashing. 

You cannot tell me this is healthy to a child.  If you do, then I will instantly lose all respect for you.  I can understand that Bravo and Inri are saying that people can't choose who they're attracted to, but there is no medical term (that I'm aware of) for someone who's just "attracted" by young humans.  Regardless, when you say you support pedophiles it means you support actual sexual predators because that's what pedophilia is. 

This is probably the best debate ever (I'm being totally serious here).

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Actually, I'm glad you brought this up because the word "pedophile" seems to have lost its meaning in this topic.

When used as a suffix, -philia is a pejorative that means someone who acts on their fixation or obsession.  Someone who is attracted to children isn't wrong, but pedophiles are, with no exception, sexual predators.  The biggest difference between making love to a child and an adult is that children have legal guardians.  No sane guardian would consent to their 10 year old kid screwing some 30 year old man, so most pedophiles either trick the child to do depraved acts in secret and then threaten them with violence if they tell or they resort to greater felonies like kidnapping and brainwashing. 

You cannot tell me this is healthy to a child.  If you do, then I will instantly lose all respect for you.  I can understand that Bravo and Inri are saying that people can't choose who they're attracted to, but there is no medical term (that I'm aware of) for someone who's just "attracted" by young humans.  Regardless, when you say you support pedophiles it means you support actual sexual predators because that's what pedophilia is. 

It's taken to mean someone who doesn't act on their fixation as well.

"The term pedophile is also used colloquially to denote an adult who is sexually attracted to young adolescents, especially younger than the local age of consent,[3] as well as those accused or convicted of child sexual abuse or child pornography-related offences."

Is there a staffer who posts the "hot topics" in the community blog?  There really should be a "What's going on in GW: unhealthy obsessions and the support of sexual predators debate 2008 JOIN THE COMMUNITY LULZ!"