Two words: Liberal Canadian.

Don't believe in it at all. It's a stupid system that accomplishes absolutely nothing other than making the victims' families feel at ease.

Nah I mean, giving someone the death penalty isn't really justice and a criminal isn't anymore dangerous to society being locked behind bars.  Making someone spend life in prison seems more of the right thing to do. They can rot in their prison cell and think about what they did for the rest of their life and they get to lose their fucking sanity. Why take away that torture? That is surely worse than the death penalty. Knowing you are going to spend the rest of your life in some fucking cell. FUCK THAT! I'd beg for the death penalty.

the death penalty has been proven over and over to be an unsuccessful deterrent, there have been multiple criminological studies finding men on death row innocent, no other first world country has it, and for every Stinson and Griffin that could have been stopped there are hundreds of others who died when they didn't deserve to.

the idea of the death penalty as punishment is so primitive and archaic that it could only exist under the Christian right.

Do certain men deserve to die?

Yes they do. But I would never trust any court to decide who.

Yes, the murderers will decide who. Then the murderers will spend some time in prison, but it's okay, they still get to live.

And most murders don't carry life in prison without parole. So the whole thing of making them suffer for the rest of their lives, it's not like that at all.

Except to other inmates, especially when the criminal knows he has nothing else to lose because they already have the maximum sentence. "Well, you killed this other inmate, so we're going to slap another 70 years on your life without parole sentence, to be served consecutively!"

sooooo how come this isn't a huge epidemic.

how come every life sentence criminal isn't just killing all the guards and criminals he can.

oh wait is it because it's very hard to do in a maximum security prison where most lifers tend to go if they do violent crimes?

prison violence is a problem, but the statistics show that it's the NEWER inmates, not lifers, who tend to kill other prisoners.

Unlike jail time, right?

yes? the prospect of spending time in jail prevents A LOT of crime. the AMOUNT OF JAIL TIME, however, doesn't see much of an increase in deterrence.

the death penalty on the other hand applies to such a small number of crimes and those crimes tend to be so innately violent that the chances of anyone being deterred while commiting them by punishment is pretty ludicrous.

"we're going to kill this entire orphanage"

"WHOA GUYS WAIT...IF WE GET CAUGHT...WE MIGHT GET THE DEATH PENALTY!!!"

PS the purpose of the death penalty for retribution, not deterrence.

a Neanderthal's definition of retribution, maybe. a civilized society, no.

Unless you're wrongfully convicted, but that's a problem with the court system, not the death penalty.

this is a pretty morally depraved argument. wrongful convictions tend to be when people are accused of a higher level of crime than what they committed. the fact that a lot of people are KILLED for something they never did is a problem not with the courts (unless you can think of a great airtight way to prove someone murdered out of passion instead of planning and convey it to the jury), but with the fact that we still regard killing as a non-cruel and unusual punishment.

And most murders don't carry life in prison without parole.

yeah the parole hearing tends to come fairly late in life, and while supervised as well.

I've met plenty of murderers (lmaaaao whaaat), and they are among the nicest people ever. the ones you avoid are your armed robberies. lifers are the nicest people in the world most of the time. this idea that prison is this neato place where all prisoners are just smiles all the time is pretty funny.

you ever have that moment where you realize no matter what you say and how much literature there is and the fact that every civilized nation has gotten rid of it and the overwhelming cruelty and hardship it places on innocent people, someone will still bring up WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR MOM?

having that now, I'm out of this topic, l.a.t.e.r.s.

I don't believe in it, it doesn't exist and the science has no proof that it does

If it existed I would be 80% against it because it's murder but then there are some people who are so cruel they should just stop existing instead of "paying for their crimes".

An eye for an eye, fuckers. If you kill someone, we should kill you back.

The death penalty is a pretty disgusting notion and I find it really odd that the United States still practices it.

i am for the death penalty only because i want the government to have full and direct control over life and death rather than waiting for hurricanes or starting wars

i'm not sure of the necessity of killing someone once they're captured. i guess there's good guys and bad guys and you have to kill bad guys

An eye for an eye, fuckers. If you kill someone, we should kill you back.

"WHOOPS IT WAS THIS OTHER GUY WHO KILLED HIM, NOT YOU....YOU'RE DEAD NOW THO....SORRY ^_^*"

yeah the parole hearing tends to come fairly late in life, and while supervised as well.

I've met plenty of murderers (lmaaaao whaaat), and they are among the nicest people ever. the ones you avoid are your armed robberies. lifers are the nicest people in the world most of the time. this idea that prison is this neato place where all prisoners are just smiles all the time is pretty funny.

Well if they're nice, then we should just let them out. As long as they could be nice and well mannered before and after they murder, we can forgive.

And of course prison is horrible, but it's better than being dead, especially if you killed someone for it.