[totw] is it morally ok to dedicate your life to music?

[totw] is it morally ok to dedicate your life to music? (Read 4159 times)

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#61 May 20, 2008, 12:27:59 am

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there are plenty of things equally effective (or more effective) at relaxing people, music is not necessary

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#62 May 20, 2008, 12:54:58 am

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I could do no music for a year. I'd even be interested in it-- but I would definitely have other creative outlets, cause thats ultimately what my passion is-- creating. I like to make cool shit, music is just the outlet im best versed in so its what I do the most.

Itd be cool though I think to go without it for a whole year. Damn.

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#63 May 20, 2008, 02:21:24 am

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music is not just relaxing

music can be energy, movement, entretainment, soothing, transmitting, decorating, you find the adjectives.

Life without music would be a mistake

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#64 May 20, 2008, 05:21:32 am

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things that you can find elsewhere. I'd say a lot of other activities are more effective at giving you those things. If you need me to LIST EXAMPLES then I will, but I don't think it's necessary.

I'd say out of most of the arts even music is the most easily disposable because of the amount of effort it takes to produce, and also because of it's incredibly temporary and abstract nature. Well certainly music can be emotionally moving, so can a play, and theater seems to communicate much more effectively to people than music because everyone understand talking and words and not everyone understands music the same way.

Besides, all art is just a way for us all to waste our time, and certainly their are other ways to waste times like sports and other games, discussion etc.

It can be hard to see life without music because you deal with it so much each day, but I guarantee you'd be fine and completely happy if music never existed. Certainly if music was BANNED you wouldn't be happy, but I'm sure you could learn to live life and enjoy it if you let yourself.

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#65 May 20, 2008, 06:10:56 am

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What do you think theater can "communicate" more effectively to people than music? If someone made you watch a play made and played by foreign actors in their own language which you don't understand, would you understand anything at all?

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#66 May 20, 2008, 07:10:02 am

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that was just an example, it doesn't even matter, but 1) plays can be translated 2) english will soon become a global language, and almost already is.

but it does not even matter I don't know why I responded.

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#67 May 20, 2008, 01:59:40 pm

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Quote from: last life on May 20, 2008, 05:21:32 am

Besides, all art is just a way for us all to waste our time, and certainly their are other ways to waste times like sports and other games, discussion etc.

Whooooah I would like to see you explain this a little further, friend.
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#68 May 20, 2008, 05:43:16 pm

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Quote from: last life on May 20, 2008, 05:21:32 am

things that you can find elsewhere. I'd say a lot of other activities are more effective at giving you those things. If you need me to LIST EXAMPLES then I will, but I don't think it's necessary.

I'd say out of most of the arts even music is the most easily disposable because of the amount of effort it takes to produce, and also because of it's incredibly temporary and abstract nature. Well certainly music can be emotionally moving, so can a play, and theater seems to communicate much more effectively to people than music because everyone understand talking and words and not everyone understands music the same way.

Besides, all art is just a way for us all to waste our time, and certainly their are other ways to waste times like sports and other games, discussion etc.

It can be hard to see life without music because you deal with it so much each day, but I guarantee you'd be fine and completely happy if music never existed. Certainly if music was BANNED you wouldn't be happy, but I'm sure you could learn to live life and enjoy it if you let yourself.

just because you have no emotional stake in music doesn't mean nobody else does. i would go crazy if i stopped listening to music. i really dont think you see music in the same way that we do! it's not just something to pass the time.

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#69 May 20, 2008, 07:15:21 pm

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Quote from: last life on May 20, 2008, 07:10:02 am

that was just an example, it doesn't even matter, but 1) plays can be translated 2) english will soon become a global language, and almost already is.

but it does not even matter I don't know why I responded.

Music doesn't need to be translated, it can be apreciated by everyone. Just like food! It's something you taste with your ears.

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#70 May 20, 2008, 07:35:22 pm

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Quote from: Inri Cheetos on May 20, 2008, 07:15:21 pm

Music doesn't need to be translated, it can be apreciated by everyone. Just like food! It's something you taste with your ears.

this is not true. music's meaning IS somewhat cultural. A little different than language, but tonality is 100% a social construct.

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#71 May 20, 2008, 07:37:11 pm

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Well yes but you don't need to understand the meaning or anything, just listen to it

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#72 May 20, 2008, 09:51:13 pm

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Thats not necessarily true either, of course I listen to alot of music because it sounds great. But the stuff that really moves and inspires me the most wouldn't do so if it didn't have meaning.

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#73 May 20, 2008, 10:08:56 pm

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But what about music with out vocals? Do they mean anything at all? (many with vocals and lyrics don't really mean anything either) Or in this case, what matters is not the meaning but the "feeling"?

Again it's like food because you can just eat it and apreciate the marvelous tastes and smells without knowing anything about why the ingredients are there.

Understanding is just an extra, not a requirement

Last Edit: May 20, 2008, 10:11:10 pm by Inri Cheetos

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#74 May 20, 2008, 11:21:03 pm

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But unlike food it's not necessary, and we certainly have many other ways to enjoy ourselves, communicate, and express ourselves artistically other than music.

BTW, I am a music major and I spend almost all of my time playing music, and I certainly have a huge emotional stake in it. It's just not as necessary as people think. It may be hard to imagine a world without music, but I don't think it would be an AWFUL AND BLEAK place like everyone seems to believe. I'm probably wrong but there's no way to say who's right with out actually living lives without music and seeing the result (no one's going to do that, not worth it).

Last Edit: May 20, 2008, 11:23:21 pm by last life

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#75 May 21, 2008, 01:02:24 am

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Quote from: last life on May 20, 2008, 05:21:32 am

Besides, all art is just a way for us all to waste our time, and certainly their are other ways to waste times like sports and other games, discussion etc.

you are DEADLY[/u][/size][/color] wrong.

you don't WASTE TIME when you enjoy what you're doing.
Simple as that

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#76 May 21, 2008, 01:07:37 am

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Yeah saying it's a waste of time is kinda like saying expressing yourself in general is a waste of time.

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#77 May 21, 2008, 02:10:58 am

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are we talking about making music or listening to it?

are you guys, do you ever like, i dunno when you're reading a book or something do you ever just go UGH I REALLY WANT TO LISTEN TO SOME MUSIC RIGHT NOW?

i find it really laborsome to just listen to music, like it's alright if it's in the background or whatever or if it's linked like in a music video but just listening us choresome

I USE Q'S INSTEQD OF Q'S

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#78 May 21, 2008, 02:34:23 am

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yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah I think a lot of people here like listening to music exclusively dude just maybe in the music forum.

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#79 May 21, 2008, 02:42:58 am

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I find it really laborsome to read a book (I try to start, and then go skipping lines and give up) but I like to listen to every detail in a song and how it takes shape and moves and flows and how each chord change and interval feels and the multitude of textures and timbres and so on and I'll do that even it's just a BGM like in a waiting room but for a limited amount of time before I become really angry from listening to something SO BORING (certain kinds of jazz or rap for example)

And musicians are there to create those marvelous creations of mankind so that they can stimulate our aural senses, so, go for it couch!

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#80 May 21, 2008, 02:48:15 am

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Quote from: Inri Cheetos on May 20, 2008, 10:08:56 pm

But what about music with out vocals? Do they mean anything at all? (many with vocals and lyrics don't really mean anything either) Or in this case, what matters is not the meaning but the "feeling"?

Again it's like food because you can just eat it and apreciate the marvelous tastes and smells without knowing anything about why the ingredients are there.

Understanding is just an extra, not a requirement

Like I said, tonality is a social construct. Music only sounds musical because we're kinda trained culturally to recognize certain things as sonant, certain things as not, etc. Diff cultures have different standards for it.

Even with foods, its true that taste is something of a universal language, but some cultures think things taste greeeat that other cultures hate (american like hot dog ha ha ha ha ha).

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