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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#41 May 26, 2008, 07:51:49 pm

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he's a garbage mod who drew kids being sodomized, LETS ALL DEFEND THAT.

what about his gw rights........

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headphonics

#42 May 26, 2008, 08:01:06 pm

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Quote from: Sarevok on May 26, 2008, 07:49:03 pm

edit: I'd recommend locking this up before it becomes a total flame war.

Ironically, the topic up to this point is mostly just fairly docile discussion of what's going on and the reasons behind why he left, so it's kind of funny for you to make what's essentially an incredibly antagonizing post and then be like UGH... LOCK THIS SHIT. It doesn't need to be locked if you don't start a huge argument! I think it should stay open because Jester is a LONGTIME MEMBER or whatever and I don't really think it's good for the circumstances of his departure remain shrouded in mystery to the general public, because honestly, I think there's some knowledge to be garnered from the experience in terms of what to do and what not to do. Also he, by his own admission, was a pretty bad mod who didn't really care anymore. I think it's important to keep in mind that had he been a good mod who was involved in the community, it probably would've been overlooked, but it sort of just compounded the current problem of him being bad! It's not like anyone ran Abraxa out of the community and he drew some pretty awful things.

But yeah Lars, the idea on a basic level is that ASSUMING HE IS A PEDOPHILE, his decisions on what to do could potentially be influenced by this (read: deciding not to ban kk4 because of course he wouldn't care what kind of stuff the kind says/does). This is a pretty reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be an admin, but it actually stretches pretty thin when you realize that as a global mod he's not really making many administrative decisions, and of course there's also the fact that this is all assuming he's actually got some sort of problem and doesn't just draw weird shit as an odd hobby. Also, Chef or someone found the stuff when I would imagine they were snooping around the Internet for dirt on Jester. GWSLEUTHS etc.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#43 May 26, 2008, 08:05:53 pm

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conversely I would like to point out that by most country's legislation (including the US) LOLICON or virtual child pornography does qualify as child pornography.

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This is a pretty reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be an admin, but it actually stretches pretty thin when you realize that as a global mod he's not really making many administrative decisions

until I sent out that PM Jester had been taking a somewhat active role in locking site feedback topics that he disliked or in giving one word replies (he was pretty famous for TL;DR) to important arguments. you know my position on global mods is they should be more than LOCK EVERYWHERE robots, just like normal mods, and those were horrible responses that he was actually WELL KNOWN for.

but you know all this so I'm just rehashing.

brian chemicals

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Lars

#44 May 26, 2008, 08:23:24 pm

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Quote from: headphonics on May 26, 2008, 08:01:06 pm

But yeah Lars, the idea on a basic level is that ASSUMING HE IS A PEDOPHILE, his decisions on what to do could potentially be influenced by this (read: deciding not to ban kk4 because of course he wouldn't care what kind of stuff the kind says/does). This is a pretty reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be an admin, but it actually stretches pretty thin when you realize that as a global mod he's not really making many administrative decisions, and of course there's also the fact that this is all assuming he's actually got some sort of problem and doesn't just draw weird shit as an odd hobby. Also, Chef or someone found the stuff when I would imagine they were snooping around the Internet for dirt on Jester. GWSLEUTHS etc.

yeah this is a good answer and kinda answers my concern... i can see why people could have a problem with adminship but not modding or gmodding... ok not gonna fag up this topic anymore B)

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reko

#45 May 26, 2008, 08:49:50 pm

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Quote from: Sarevok on May 26, 2008, 07:49:03 pm

Man whatever Jester does in his free time is up to him, and iirc he never posted his artwork here (and in fact HATED giving out/people finding out his site) so what the hell does any of it have to do with GW or him being a mod?

I'm not that active on the majority of the forums (am more of an IRC man) so I can't really talk for how well he was doing as a global mod, although I frequently did hear people moaning about it. Personally I didn't have any problems with him (but maybe that's because he was inactive I don't know).

Once again GW handles something which DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE HANDLED in a shitty manner, and from 90% of these replies I'm disgusted and fucking disappointed by ALL OF YOU LOT, not Jester. rami saying 'all of us agree it is a sick/disgusting hobby' is a worthless comment and does not need to be said at all, it's just spiteful. None of you are entitled to tell him what he can and can't do, and especially as I've said it's a private hobby so why the fuck do you even care? It's not like he is going HERE IS CARTOON POON LOOK AT THIS LOOK AT THIS LOOK AT THIS ever. I noticed a couple of you mentioning this as well but man I got so pissed off when I heard about this in IRC and even more by reading this topic that I just couldn't take it anymore. Time to grow the fuck up already

edit: I'd recommend locking this up before it becomes a total flame war.

Look, I agree with you and I don't like that you're trying to make it look like I was trying to speak trash about Jester, because I was one of the people who were sticking up for Jester from the start, whenever the whole stupid issue came up. I wasn't trying to be spiteful or anything, you completely read my comment out of the context. I was trying to emphasis that it's not our business what he does outside GW as long as it doesn't show here on GW. Anyone saying that 'but it could affect his decisions' is pretty far fetched, because he's been a mod/gmod/admin for YEARS, like longer than most any of you have, and nobody has never, ever thought anything like this about Jester, so it's pretty obvious that the matter was completely isolated from GW. But yeah, I didn't want to see this happen any more than you did.

EDIT. That being said, I'm still an administrator here and I obviously don't want people to think that I, or any of the other admins who defended Jester, didn't want to fire Jester because we support what he did, because the last thing I want to see is a Steel sending a bunnymilk a PM about ramirez being a pedo for supporting Jester's hobby. Regardless, I think Jester has every right to draw whatever he wants outside GW, and I'm sorry to see that you misinterpret me so badly.

EDIT2. Although I agree I could've been more careful with what I say, the only reason I even used the word disgusting was because people were just using it on IRC. I never really even looked at the drawings because I didn't want to know any more than I was required to, so I don't even know how "disgusting" they are, so it's not a direct quote of my thoughts!

Last Edit: May 26, 2008, 08:58:48 pm by ramirez

big thanx to dragonslayer for sig!

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headphonics

#46 May 26, 2008, 08:57:47 pm

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Well man, I think his refusal to do ANYTHING AT ALL about KK4 was a pretty good example of why that type of guy wouldn't be the best or most objective when it came to making certain administrative decisions. It's a little naive to think that you would do things like that and then keep that part of your personality completely isolated from other things you do. You can say he never, ever did it but in actuality he did it at least once, and to be fair, how many scenarios have we really been in where Jester's been in a position of power and we've had to be like WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS WEIRD SICKO? I don't think it was enough of a reason to keep him from being anything but an admin because I do legitimately thing that it clearly had a sway on his judgment when it came to certain things, but yeah.

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Supra Mairo

#47 May 26, 2008, 09:00:22 pm

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yea bye Jester, never really knew you all that much.

good fucking job on throwing shit on jester on every fucking post now that hes gone. He has some disgusting hobby or something lets all repeat that 1000 times so that theres not a single person on the internet unaware of this.

also someone actually went and searched for dirt on him what the fuck is wrong with you?

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reko

#48 May 26, 2008, 09:03:57 pm

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I seriously hope that you aren't seriously suggesting that there's a connection to his hobby because of that? He wasn't even the only admin who didn't want to insta-ban him. I didn't think the whole KK4 matter was so serious either before so many people protested against him being in here. To me it seems that at the moment there's just as many people protesting firing Jester because of these recent accusations, as there are people who are supporting it. At the very least, it was very wrong for the whole hobby of his to have this large part in the process, and it would've been better to COMPLETELY IGNORE IT, and focus on whatever shortcomings you guys thought he had. At least to me it looked like a FORCED ATTEMPT to get him fired, like looking for reasons forcefully to put more pressure on us and him.

big thanx to dragonslayer for sig!

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headphonics

#49 May 26, 2008, 09:09:20 pm

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No, it looked like that to me as well, which is why I've been saying in here and in the other topic that I don't think this is how it should've happened at all, because there's clearly enough OTHER STUFF to make a case against him and this was a pretty cheap way to do it, especially considering he tried to keep it hidden. But uh, yeah, I do think his notions of what is acceptable and what isn't played a large part in how tolerant he was of KK4. Even after you and DS and whoever else accepted that yes, okay, he was bad, Jester was still one of the few who didn't seem to come around at all. Why would a person go so easy on a guy like KK4? I'm saying that I think what he did for a hobby, how people probably reacted to it, and how he felt on things such as traditional notions of morality probably made him unable to make a good judgment call on the situation, or see it in the same way others were. I don't think it's such a big stretch at all, but if you do, I don't really know what else to say.

Last Edit: May 26, 2008, 09:10:52 pm by headphonics

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reko

#50 May 26, 2008, 09:15:30 pm

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Well that's it then, I guess. One thing that I find funny is that when Jester was made an admin, many people (and I'm *pretty* sure that some of these people includes guys who support this cause) said that Jester was fine as global mod but isn't fit to be an administrator. I don't care enough to look through posts or logs, but I just thought I should throw it out there because it further supports my view that this whole thing is weird and everyone seemed to start having a problem with Jester only after he was an admin for a while. Call me naive, but I really think Jester was a good mod and has contributed a lot to GW during his years of.. service. But whatever, you guys are allowed to disagree.

big thanx to dragonslayer for sig!

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Xeno|Soft

#51 May 26, 2008, 09:21:13 pm

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-nevermind- >

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TFT

#52 May 26, 2008, 09:23:10 pm

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bye

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#53 May 26, 2008, 09:40:06 pm

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Quote from: real_jamicus on May 26, 2008, 06:58:24 pm

as far as otomon getting treated better than jester goes, it's a pretty oblivious thing to say. nobody likes otomon, he is ridiculous. he is an extremely ridiculous and obscene person who we are laughing at because he is horrendous. the difference is nobody takes him seriously, but when someone is a global moderator you have to take them seriously on the forums and that's why the pedo thing is an issue.

i take otomon VERY seriously

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#54 May 26, 2008, 09:41:21 pm

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Quote from: Supra Mairo on May 26, 2008, 09:00:22 pm

also someone actually went and searched for dirt on him what the fuck is wrong with you?

fyi the only reason we knew about Jester was because he outted another guy on the forums drawing much tamer (still underage) stuff. Chef got curious as to how he found out and hey what do you know, pot kettle black.

Quote from: ramirez on May 26, 2008, 09:15:30 pm

Well that's it then, I guess. One thing that I find funny is that when Jester was made an admin, many people (and I'm *pretty* sure that some of these people includes guys who support this cause) said that Jester was fine as global mod but isn't fit to be an administrator. I don't care enough to look through posts or logs, but I just thought I should throw it out there because it further supports my view that this whole thing is weird and everyone seemed to start having a problem with Jester only after he was an admin for a while. Call me naive, but I really think Jester was a good mod and has contributed a lot to GW during his years of.. service. But whatever, you guys are allowed to disagree.

this is so unbelievably untrue, at least in my case. I've never really vacillated from the opinion that I thought Jester was a shitty gmod. anyone who was part of #targ back in the day also holds this opinion.

I have no idea what you think Jester contributed (oh word GTA IV came out thanks pal) but it's far from some underdog opinion that he was one of the worst mods on gw.

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GZ

#55 May 26, 2008, 09:50:28 pm

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i find it pretty fucking embarrassing one of the main guys at gaming world draws cartoon kiddie porn and i am flabbergasted how it took this long for anything to get done. i wouldn't care if he was the greatest global mod to ever grace these forums, it's a black eye to the entire community having someone like this in any position of power. i can't understand how some of you can't see how obvious this is. anyone can move and lock topics, and jester deciding to leave after being demodded is pretty shitty form if you ask me. how many of you guys who are admins / global mods would QUIT GW FOREVER if you lost your position? anyone who would say yes is a terrible person who is supposed to be leading the community.

i imagine very few people here would give two shits if jester still posted here and did whatever he did before, but instead he can't moderate. you act somehow like you are betraying jester even though you can still be chums with him or whatever it was that you were before. only one thing changed and makes perfect sense for professionalism reasons alone. jester can contribute exactly what he has before, and if anything, gaming world has an abundance of moderators even if his position wasn't filled. i remember when steel told me this months ago i was pretty amazed you didn't fire him on the spot. anyone who is in the least bit surprised about this is basically crying over spilled milk. if jester was banned then i could see some cause for outrage, but honestly, many forums would ban him right then and there with no questions asked.

edit: for the record i don't care what any member does here as long as they don't shit up the forums. the problem here is having someone like this as a community leader and it's a no brainer to avoid people like this for any power position.

Last Edit: May 26, 2008, 09:52:44 pm by GZ

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#56 May 26, 2008, 10:23:42 pm

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i paid practically no attention to the whole fiasco so this is kind of surprising! oh well.

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Dale Gobbler

#57 May 26, 2008, 11:45:29 pm

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So Jester was fired for being a pedo. Does that mean Lars won't be a mod because of his underage fetish?

m
o hap

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#58 May 26, 2008, 11:56:18 pm

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he was fired for being a crappy mod, not because he was a pedo.

yes coulombs are "germaine", did you learn that word at talk like a dick school?

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Dale Gobbler

#59 May 27, 2008, 12:11:29 am

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Oh please, the "pedophilia" had to be an underlying reason. Steels called him out about it before. I think it was in the KK4 topic.

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HL

#60 May 27, 2008, 12:19:43 am

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Jester I thought you were cool, though obviously I don't agree with what you did artistically (illegal in most first world places....). I wish you would stay as a member

I do agree with GZ though, even if he didn't show it to people all the time it is something you need to look out for with community leaders. But I still like Jester as a person.

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